3000+ architects and engineers say evidence shows 9/11 was controlled demolition

[usexpat97]

The pictures of the Madrid fire have converted more than one person before.

 

[Kate30]

The pictures of the Madrid fire have converted more than one person before.

A picture does often express or paint a thousand words when it comes to meaning and truth. I’m sure that many religious painting of our crucified Lord have converted many to the love of God as well.

 

[High Fidelity]

Let me guess, 'jet fuel doesn't melt steel beams!!1!11!!!!!!!!'

 

[JacksBratt]

Let me guess, 'jet fuel doesn't melt steel beams!!1!11!!!!!!!!'

Although burning jet fuel, or any fire of significant heat, will weaken structural steel beams... Jet fuel, in open air burns will not reach the temperature necessary to melt steel beams.

Here... from Wiki: Max adiabatic burn temperature 2,500 K (2,230 °C) (4,040 °F) open air burn temperature: 1,030 °C (1,890 °F)[10][11][12]

From:Questions and Answers - What's the melting point of steel?

Most steel has other metals added to tune its properties, like strength, corrosion resistance, or ease of fabrication. Steel is just the element iron that has been processed to control the amount of carbon. Iron, out of the ground, melts at around 1510 degrees C (2750°F). Steel often melts at around 1370 degrees C (2500°F).

So, in response to your statement, which I took as sarcasm.... no, jet fuel will not melt steel beams.


However, lets go with your theory.... Jet crashes into upper stories of building, Jet fuel melts beams. Building crumples all the way down to the basement.. straight down in free fall... Seriously?

More like... Plane crashes into building, fire melts beams... top of building topples over and takes out many blocks of the city below.... and leaves the majority of the structure standing.

So, to have not one, not two, but three buildings fall straight down, in free fall, into their small (relative to their massive height and considerable amount of structural mass and volume) footprint. Leaving no significant amount of structural rubble and mass...would be a miraculous phenomenon.

I don't care who did it.. whether the US government, CIA, or some terrorist group... someone had access to those buildings in significant capacity to set up considerable conditions to conduct a very well orchestrated controlled demolition of some very tall buildings in one of the busiest cities in the world.

Worse, is the fact that millions of people watched this and have not got the logic and common sense to see that there is no way that these buildings would collapse the way they did, without falling left or right, north or south... toppling like a tower from the game of Jenga, and leaving the majority of the structure, that was obviously not on fire or close to any temperature that would have even weakened the structural steel standing.

And, that's just from observation, even at the time of the event.

Combine that with the follow up information that showed, not a heap of rubble but a hole in the ground.

This only shows the naivety of the general public and their willingness to believe anything that they are told.

 

[usexpat97]

Even if jet fuel did melt the steel core, it is statistically impossible that it would melt the entire top floor(s), equally, at the same time. Nor would the steel have instantly gone from strong-as-steel to, can't-support-anything-as-if-it-wasn't-there. And hello--the floors beneath it were not even heated.

 

[Lost4words]

I am out of this thread. Its just mindboggling that people actually think the towers were blown up deliberately by the government etc!

 

[usexpat97]

It's not the first time that someone's faith in humanity got in the way of the facts. Unfortunately, that's not a good thing when it's a blind faith.

 

[High Fidelity]

Although burning jet fuel, or any fire of significant heat, will weaken structural steel beams... Jet fuel, in open air burns will not reach the temperature necessary to melt steel beams.

Here... from Wiki: Max adiabatic burn temperature 2,500 K (2,230 °C) (4,040 °F) open air burn temperature: 1,030 °C (1,890 °F)[10][11][12]

From:Questions and Answers - What's the melting point of steel?

Most steel has other metals added to tune its properties, like strength, corrosion resistance, or ease of fabrication. Steel is just the element iron that has been processed to control the amount of carbon. Iron, out of the ground, melts at around 1510 degrees C (2750°F). Steel often melts at around 1370 degrees C (2500°F).

So, in response to your statement, which I took as sarcasm.... no, jet fuel will not melt steel beams.


However, lets go with your theory.... Jet crashes into upper stories of building, Jet fuel melts beams. Building crumples all the way down to the basement.. straight down in free fall... Seriously?

More like... Plane crashes into building, fire melts beams... top of building topples over and takes out many blocks of the city below.... and leaves the majority of the structure standing.

So, to have not one, not two, but three buildings fall straight down, in free fall, into their small (relative to their massive height and considerable amount of structural mass and volume) footprint. Leaving no significant amount of structural rubble and mass...would be a miraculous phenomenon.

I don't care who did it.. whether the US government, CIA, or some terrorist group... someone had access to those buildings in significant capacity to set up considerable conditions to conduct a very well orchestrated controlled demolition of some very tall buildings in one of the busiest cities in the world.

Worse, is the fact that millions of people watched this and have not got the logic and common sense to see that there is no way that these buildings would collapse the way they did, without falling left or right, north or south... toppling like a tower from the game of Jenga, and leaving the majority of the structure, that was obviously not on fire or close to any temperature that would have even weakened the structural steel standing.

And, that's just from observation, even at the time of the event.

Combine that with the follow up information that showed, not a heap of rubble but a hole in the ground.

This only shows the naivety of the general public and their willingness to believe anything that they are told.

Melt != weaken.

They don't need to melt to be structurally unsound. This has been demonstrated repeatedly. You can recreate it yourself in your own yard.

 

[JacksBratt]

Melt != weaken.

They don't need to melt to be structurally unsound. This has been demonstrated repeatedly. You can recreate it yourself in your own yard.

I believe that I stated this in my post. "Although burning jet fuel, or any fire of significant heat, will weaken structural steel beams... "

However, melted does not equal weaken. If they were only weakened.. then they should be in a huge pile of scrap at the bottom. And, the collapse would not have been a free fall... straight down.


Even still, heat rises, the fire was in the very top stories... it is impossible to claim that the bottom stories were weakened. They should have still been there and the pile of rubble at the bottom should have been massive... also... the rubble should have contained evidence and pieces of the air-frames.

The structural integrity of the lower stories, being fully in tact, should have withstood the forces and the tops of the towers should have went to the side.

It would have been much more severe of a catastrophe as the towers would have toppled sideways and not straight down into an area the size of the footprint of their foundations.

 

[Gregory95]

Just drop this here

I used to believe in the official story of what happened on 9/11 and thought anyone who didn’t was some kind of crazy person. But a while ago, I came across the group Architects and Engineers for 9/11 Truth. The rigorous and professional work that they have done to demonstrate what really happened on 9/11 was very different from the official story is overwhelming.

The number of credentialed architects and engineers who agree is now 3000 and still growing.

There is now a federal court case regarding this very issue that you might want to look into. So far, the mainstream media has completely ignored it, but it’s happening.

 

[Rick Otto]

 

[Rick Otto]

Just drop this here

He said he'll check on it and look into it.
I'm sure we can have complete confidence he'll do the right thing.

Let me guess, 'jet fuel doesn't melt steel beams!!1!11!!!!!!!!'

True enough, but don't cheat yourself by missing out on the jet fuel hoax, too. Have you heard the impossible amount they claim is in the wings?

 

[Rick Otto]

Not to overwhelm you Kate but, judging from your insightful comments, I believe that you'll also enjoy the following brilliant use of popular music. And it's only 4 minutes, 14 seconds long. “FREE FALLIN’ starring BUILDING 7” is a riff on the classic Tom Petty song Free Fallin.’

rofl
brilliant

 

[Zanting]

And steel beams just turn into powder right before your eyes...just look it up...how do steel girders turn into dust by a plane crash or a fire?

What turns steel to dust?

 

[Rick Otto]

Let me guess, 'jet fuel doesn't melt steel beams!!1!11!!!!!!!!'

No one needs permission to believe The Official lie.

 

[Rick Otto]

And steel beams just turn into powder right before your eyes...just look it up...how do steel girders turn into dust by a plane crash or a fire?

What turns steel to dust?

Jet fuel! Jet fuel! (fingers in ears)
Floors stacking and crashing at free fall speed are all jet fuel problems. New York is dirty & full of dust & it was windy!!
Bldg 7 had some jet fuel spill on it.

 

[Gregory Thompson]

You know, since the Iraq war was started because of 9/11, it sure would be embarrassing to the government if the conspiracy ended up being true ... so don't expect any results either way ... just confusion.

 

[Gregory Thompson]

You know, I heard some street vendors were selling these magic wands on 9/11 that turned steel to ash, but no one talks about that.

 

[Kate30]

You know, I heard some street vendors were selling these magic wands on 9/11 that turned steel to ash, but no one talks about that.

Magic wands are generally brought out to cast spells and do amazing things. Perhaps that’s the only alternative one has when in denial of reality and truth.

 

[Rick Otto]

Magic wands are generally brought out to cast spells and do amazing things. Perhaps that’s the only alternative one has when in denial of reality and truth.

Certainly not. One always has the "Official Report" for the ignorant masses who can't handle and so are not allowed the truth.