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Not only does not Matthew 24:31 not say anything about the resurrection of the dead, but also nothing about the translation of the living.Where does it say there isn't a resurrection of the dead there?
There had to be because when you keep reading further into Matthew 25:31-46 it shows that the day of judgment occurs on the day that Christ comes with His angels. There won't be a judgment without the dead being raised first.
Excellent job of avoiding the point I made about the day of judgment occurring when Christ comes with His angels. Well done. Would it be too much trouble for me to ask how you interpret Matthew 25:31-46?Not only does not Matthew 24:31 not say anything about the resurrection of the dead, but also nothing about the translation of the living.
Not only does not Matthew 24:31 not say anything about the resurrection of the dead, but also nothing about the translation of the living.
A chart is nothing more than a picture of how things fit together.
Could you imaging a home builder contractor building a house for a client without a set of drawings and specifications ? The drawings are like a chart of how things fit together and the overall picture. And the specifications are like the words.
They have God’s seal on their forehead. Can Satan place God’s seal on a forehead or just 666?Ok, so we aren’t going to know how God chooses who is a Jew and who isn’t because God will use a metric unknown to us. Since Satan and his ministers come as an angel of light, what happens if there are 144,001 virgins who all claim to be the 144,000? What metric would you use to determine who is the false one?
Those in Christ are not dead, but in Paradise. There is no resurrection because the angels brought them from Paradise, the 4 corners of heaven, the 4 corners of Paradise. Christ brings the living church with him, to meet the living church on earth. The church is not dead, but alive. If you are in a dead church waiting to be resurrected, you are in the wrong church.Where does it say there isn't a resurrection of the dead there? If this type of weak argument was valid, it would mean that it's not possible to relate any 2 passages of scripture together unless they each had all of the same details.
But, there had to be a resurrection there because when you keep reading further into Matthew 25:31-46 it shows that the day of judgment occurs on the day that Christ comes with His angels. There won't be a judgment without the dead being raised first. Matthew 25:31-46 makes it clear that the angels are gathering the elect to appear before Christ on the throne of judgment and the unbelievers will be there as well.
Read the whole verse of 2Timothy4:1.In 2 Timothy 4:1 Paul reveals that Christ judges both the living and the dead at His appearing.
You cannot have judgment of the dead without a bodily resurrection of the dead.
Is His appearing found in Matthew 24?
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They were not living in the time of the end. Really, what I think is going to convince you regarding my charts is when the EU forms that ten leader form of government, which the little horn appears.Why didn't any of the writers of Scripture draw charts for us?
It is one of the series of parables in Matthew 25, regarding how we should live and treat others.Excellent job of avoiding the point I made about the day of judgment occurring when Christ comes with His angels. Well done. Would it be too much trouble for me to ask how you interpret Matthew 25:31-46?
They have God’s seal on their forehead. Can Satan place God’s seal on a forehead or just 666?
Why do you think this is a big issue?
Read the whole verse of 2Timothy4:1.
1 I charge thee therefore before God, and the Lord Jesus Christ, who shall judge the quick and the dead at his appearing and his kingdom;
Jesus reigns here on this earth for a thousand years after his coming. Then the Great White Throne judgment.
They were not living in the time of the end. Really, what I think is going to convince you regarding my charts is when the EU forms that ten leader form of government, which the little horn appears.
Look at my chart below, the double asterisks. You can click on the chart to zoom in.The NT writers were. (Hebrews 1:1-2)
The little horn appeared long ago.
"After this, I saw four angels standing at the four corners of the earth, holding back the four winds of the earth, so that no wind would blow on the land, on the sea or on any tree.So an angel which has the seal of God will appear on earth and start stamping people in the forehead? And when he reaches #144,000 he’s done?
Because when someone puts forth a view it has to make sense. If you can’t define who a Jew is, then why should I believe the view that all of the Jews and the house of Israel will be gathered back to the land of Israel, from the nations.
I have a chart addressing you claims. Showing the 7th angel sounding, Revelation 11:15, and the reward crowns given to the saints in heaven Revelation 11:18, while here on earth God begins the process of taking the kingdoms of this world out from under Satan's kingdom of mystery Babylon the great.The passage below proves you are not correct.
Rev 11:15 And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.
Rev 11:16 And the four and twenty elders, which sat before God on their seats, fell upon their faces, and worshipped God,
Rev 11:17 Saying, We give thee thanks, O Lord God Almighty, which art, and wast, and art to come; because thou hast taken to thee thy great power, and hast reigned.
Rev 11:18 And the nations were angry, and thy wrath is come, and the time of the dead, that they should be judged, and that thou shouldest give reward unto thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear thy name, small and great; and shouldest destroy them which destroy the earth.
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Have you ever read this? It gives us the names of 12 tribes next.
Explain what is symbolic about this if you reject God's Word for some man made private interpretation. God sent the angel and the text does not say the angel raised any objection like you have done. I am sure the angel understood clearly, from God, who gets sealed.
So the 12 tribes were well defined in the 1st century but not now?Yes I have read this and my interpretation is this…
Revelation 7:1 has the 4 angels holding the 4 winds of the earth that they shouldn’t blow on the earth, sea, or trees. When the Holy Spirit came at Pentecost it was like a mighty rushing wind.
Revelation 7:2-3 another angel with the seal of God commands the 4 angels not to hurt the earth, sea, trees till we have sealed the servants of our God. The wind not blowing on the earth is what was hurting it. When the Holy Spirit came at Pentecost it was like a mighty rushing wind, this is the Gospel being allowed to be preached in all the world (to the Gentiles).
Revelation 7:4 John hears the number that were sealed, which is 144,000. I place the 144,000 as being sealed prior to the event of Pentecost because they “were”, as in past tense, sealed.
We have diverted from my original question which was not about the 144,000. I’m going to ask again, can you give a definition of who the Jews will be that return to Israel? If you can’t give me a direct answer on this then I think we should end our conversation. I’m really not interested in having a long debate that wanders into other various topics.
I’m going to ask again, can you give a definition of who the Jews will be that return to Israel?
Look at my chart below, the double asterisks. You can click on the chart to zoom in.
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RAMIFICATIONS FOR AMILLENNIALISTS (3)
So, the ‘short season’ (Rev 20:3) is the same period as the ‘1260 days’ and follow the ‘times of the Gentiles.’ Combined they are the 1000 years – the realized millennium. (Rev 20:2) Here is the diagram again:
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Now to the questions, what they actually are and how they impact on us Amillennialists? I believe that we need to make a sensible compromise with futurists concerning this short period. It doesn’t need to include their extreme scenarios, but the following list is worthy of our consideration:
- The 1260 days / short season is not yet fulfilled. (Rev. 20:3)
- They will begin with a Gentile ‘falling away’ (Matthew 24:10-12)
- Simultaneously, a (Jesus) revival among Jews. (Romans 11:25-27)
- We will see the rise of a final Antichrist figure. (2 Thess. 2:3)
- There will be an end-time Abomination of desolation. (Mark 13:14)
- Believers (Jew and Gentile) will face severe persecution. (Mark 13:19-20)
- The season will end with the resurrection / judgement. (John 5:28-29)
I have a chart addressing you claims.
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