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I think your timeline chart is correct where you have the times of the Gentiles.Where do you place the 'Times of the Gentiles?'
69 weeks is 483 years. Palm Sunday was in 30 AD. So, the decree that started the count would have had to be 454 BC. However, nothing of significance happened in that year.
Others say Palm Sunday was in 33 AD. So, the decree that started the count would have had to be 451 BC. However, nothing of significance happened in that year either.
Have you heard of Sir Robert Anderson? He was the founder of the Palm Sunday theory - a bunny trail unfortunately. You need to give it the toss.
How do you know the dragon is a giant flying lizard? It could be a t-rex. Watching to many Hollywood movies???There is also a "dragon" in Revelation 20.
Would that be a giant flying lizard, or is it symbolic of Satan?
There is also a "chain" in the chapter.
Would that be a steel chain like one from the hardware store, or would it be symbolic?
There is also a "prison" in the chapter.
Would that be a room made of rock with steel bars, or is it symbolic of something else?
The short season could be 1 hour. The 1000 years cannot be 1991 years. Is a day with the Lord 1991 years, or would that be almost 2 days with the Lord?RAMIFICATIONS FOR AMILLENIALISTS (2)
We have all heard of the ‘the 1260 days.’ Futurists place these at Jesus’ 2nd coming and, as usual, are very literalistic about it. They also conflate it with the last half of Daniels 70 weeks. That is wrong as shown on post #35.
However, Amill’s need to speak more definitively as to what these days actually do mean. Some say they have already happened between AD 67-70 when the temple was destroyed, hence not happen again. Some join with futurists saying they tie back to the 70th week; others don’t. Still others, point to the ‘short season’ (Rev 20:3) but don’t give a clear explanation as to how or why. It doesn’t complete the Amill argument if we answer the 1000-year question well but not the 1260-day one IMO. So, let’s start.
Therefore, the 1260 days will indeed arrive in the future but is a symbolic figure representing a ‘short time of trial’ after the Times of the Gentiles and ending with the resurrection. No, it will not be a precise literal count; yes, it is the same time as the ‘short season’ mentioned in Revelation 20:3.
- First, the 1260 days were a repeating formula in the original Hebrew calendar.
- It was both literal but also figurative representing a very short period of time.
- The modern Jewish calendar no longer uses it. It was replaced in the Greek era.
Thoughts welcome. (Yes, I am Amill)
Is the following referring to a literal one hour (60 minute) time frame?What you are not taking into consideration is Revelation has numerous references to specific timeframes, that the 1000 years would not just be a figure of speech.
Which, differently, "the cattle upon a thousand hills" is obviously.
No, it makes someone a common senseist.Does this response mean you take those terms literally (dragon, chain, prison)?
Idealists see Revelation as just a basic good vs evil that can apply to all sorts of situations and times. Recognizing that much of Revelation is symbolic doesn't make one an Idealist.
No. And it is obvious that it is not a literal hour.Is the following referring to a literal one hour (60 minute) time frame?
Revelation 17:12 “The ten horns you saw are ten kings who have not yet received a kingdom, but who for one hour will receive authority as kings along with the beast.
So, you acknowledge that not all of the time frames given in Revelation are literal, yet you claim that the 1000 years must be literal. That's interesting.No. And it is obvious that it is not a literal hour.
And can be verified by in Revelation 13, the ten kings have their crowns, when the person will have become the beast.
1 And I stood upon the sand of the sea, and saw a beast rise up out of the sea, having seven heads and ten horns, and upon his horns ten crowns, and upon his heads the name of blasphemy.
Yea, I completely agree that the final short season has to be symbolic else people during that time will be able to know the day and possibly the hour of His second coming.RAMIFICATIONS FOR AMILLENIALISTS (2)
We have all heard of the ‘the 1260 days.’ Futurists place these at Jesus’ 2nd coming and, as usual, are very literalistic about it. They also conflate it with the last half of Daniels 70 weeks. That is wrong as shown on post #35.
However, Amill’s need to speak more definitively as to what these days actually do mean. Some say they have already happened between AD 67-70 when the temple was destroyed, hence not happen again. Some join with futurists saying they tie back to the 70th week; others don’t. Still others, point to the ‘short season’ (Rev 20:3) but don’t give a clear explanation as to how or why. It doesn’t complete the Amill argument if we answer the 1000-year question well but not the 1260-day one IMO. So, let’s start.
Therefore, the 1260 days will indeed arrive in the future but is a symbolic figure representing a ‘short time of trial’ after the Times of the Gentiles and ending with the resurrection. No, it will not be a precise literal count; yes, it is the same time as the ‘short season’ mentioned in Revelation 20:3.
- First, the 1260 days were a repeating formula in the original Hebrew calendar.
- It was both literal but also figurative representing a very short period of time.
- The modern Jewish calendar no longer uses it. It was replaced in the Greek era.
Thoughts welcome. (Yes, I am Amill)
Yea, I completely agree that the final short season has to be symbolic else people during that time will be able to know the day and possibly the hour of His second coming.
So now I’m interested in if you see this final 1260 days being described elsewhere in Revelation (IMO it’s not but I’m not certain of this).
I haven’t studied the dates or calendars myself and after looking at your website I really feel like a newcomer on this topic.I think it is but, as we know, 1260 is also expressed as 42 months and/or a ‘time, times and ½ time.’ Each of these numbers were used to find intercalary months, but not in the way Sir Robert Anderson claimed. The 360-day year 'prophetic' calendar as quoted above never existed.
I would however like to get your thoughts on Revelation 11.
The for one hour is not a timeframe involving days, but minutes. And is obviously a figure of speech for the ten kings to be ruling with the beast for the short time of 42 months (of not being impeded by the two witnesses who will be gone).So, you acknowledge that not all of the time frames given in Revelation are literal, yet you claim that the 1000 years must be literal. That's interesting.
RAMIFICATIONS FOR AMILLENNIALISTS (3)
So, the ‘short season’ (Rev 20:3) is the same period as the ‘1260 days’ and follow the ‘times of the Gentiles.’ Combined they are the 1000 years – the realized millennium. (Rev 20:2) Here is the diagram again:
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How convenient. You are very selective in how you interpret time periods in Revelation. The "one hour" is "obviously a figure of speech", but all of the other time frames are to be taken literally? So, I guess being selective in how we interpret Revelation is okay with you. It's not okay with me. I believe all of the time periods mentioned in the book of Revelation are figurative. Disagree all you want, but at least I am consistent.The for one hour is not a timeframe involving days, but minutes. And is obviously a figure of speech for the ten kings to be ruling with the beast for the short time of 42 months (of not being impeded by the two witnesses who will be gone).
The timeframes in Revelation are 1260 days, 42 months, a time/times/half time, 3 1/2 days. They comprise the elements of the 7 year 70th week.
The first half
1260 days - Revelation 11:3, Revelation 12:6
In the second half
3 1/2 days - Revelation 11:11
42 months - Revelation 11:2, Revelation 13:5
a time/times/half time - Revelation 12:14, Daniel 7:25, Daniel 12:7
The seven years in Revelation 11:
1260 days + the 3 1/2 days + 42 months (1256 1/2 days) = 2520 days
The seven years in Revelation 12:
1260 days + the war in heaven time (unspecified) + the time/times/half time = 2520 days
The sign of the Son of Man in heaven (Matthew 24:30a) - day 2475
Jesus coming with power and great glory (Matthew 24:30b) - day 2520 to cleanse the temple of those things that made it desolation, ending the 2300 days of the little horn's transgression of desolation (Daniel 8:12-14).
- First, the 1260 days were a repeating formula in the original Hebrew calendar.
- It was both literal but also figurative representing a very short period of time.
- The modern Jewish calendar no longer uses it. It was replaced in the Greek era.
Who is speaking in Ezekiel 39:21-22 and the remainder of Ezekiel 39 ? The 70th week of Daniel 9 is the 7 years that follow the destruction and burial of Gog's army in the latter day and latter years.Applying the 42 months and 1260 days to Daniel's 70th week is way off base since Daniel's 70th week has already been fulfilled by the Messiah when He put an end to old covenant animal sacrifices and offerings with His "once for all" sacrifice during the middle of the 70th week which established the new covenant.
In Matthew 24:31, all of the Jews and the house of Israel will be gathered back to the land of Israel, from the nations. Ezekiel 39:28 is that gathering.
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