2017

[Straightshot]

"I find that my looking for the return of Jesus Christ motivates me to work more energetically & enthusiastically doing all I can to help others. It will be good for that servant whose master finds him doing so when he returns. Matthew 24:46"

Amen

The Lord could break in before this day is over to call His true ecclesia to immortality .... no one knows the dating which He has not revealed .... He will do this when He is ready [2 Peter 3:8-9]

 

[ken777]

The signs given are all events that will occur when the tribulation period begins, not before
The start date is not given in scripture
The world will not be anticipating what is coming [Matthew 24:36-39]

You quoted Mat 24:36-39 to support the idea that there will be no warnings in advance. This passage refers to the days of Noah when there were certainly signs including moral depravity, the preaching of Noah, and the building of the ark.

There will be no signs or warnings in advance .... the Lord will execute His coming "day of the Lord" as a thief comes

Note the contrast between "they" and "ye" in this passage.
"For yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so cometh as a thief in the night.
For when they shall say, Peace and safety; then sudden destruction cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape.
But ye, brethren, are not in darkness, that that day should overtake you as a thief." (1 Thessalonians 5:1-4)

What we can know is the biblically supported setting for the tribulation to begin .... Israel in the land and surrounded by the nation's virulent Muslim enemies
Watch the Middle East

Yes.

 

[Straightshot]

"I admire that. However, many others can react in ways that are destructive to themselves and others"


No doubt about it

I like your pig

The believer is not in darkness because we already know the Lord's intents which are written .... but none of us know what He has not revealed .... the dating of His intervention [1 Thessalonians 5:1-9]

This He will do when it is least expected .... however, His true followers will always be ready .... today, or later

It does appear that the current world is ripe for His coming judgment as it was in the days of Noah

 

[JackRT]

That was a charity event at the high school where I taught. She was a very charming pig.

 

[ken777]

I admire that. However, many others can react in ways that are destructive to themselves and others.

In my experience that is true of only a very small minority who set a specific day or hour.

 

[ken777]

For those serious about the study of eschatology, (You are aware you are in an eschatology section of the CF forum, right ?)..

I suggest everybody keep their eyes on the next September surprise coming next month... The meeting of the G-20 summit taking place in Beijing China. RT International News has already pointed out there will be a sideline meeting between Vladimir Putin and Xi Jenping to discuss how to deal with American led economic sanctions and the deployment of U.S. missile defense systems in Romania and South Korea on their respective strategic borders. Can anybody say, "Axis Alliance" ?! The New Cold War era, is about to turn into the Third World War.

Thanks for the tip. An alignment of Russia & China against America sounds very daunting. Here in Australia we have serious concerns about China's territorial claims over the South China Sea.

 

[Psalm3704]

Some people have suggested that Jesus' parable of the fig tree refers to the establishment of modern Israel in 1948 and that "This generation shall not pass" (Matthew 24:34) could refer to a 70 year time span. (Possibly in your comment you meant "generation" not "general"?)

Oh heck! I can't believe I did it again. Thanks for the head's up and it's corrected now.






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[stephen583]

What we can know is the biblically supported setting for the tribulation to begin .... Israel in the land and surrounded by the nation's virulent Muslim enemies

None of these things that you are speculating are contained within the scope of the visions of the prophets .... not the players and not any third world war including the same

What about Ezekiel 38:6 and the nation of "Gomer" ? There is universal agreement among dispensational Bible scholars this nation corresponds to East Germany, while "Rosh, Gog, Magog, Meshech, and Tubal refer to various regions of modern day Russia. There is also the two hundred million man army and the "kings of the east" described in prophecy, (Revelation 9:16). As far as I know, the only country on earth that has the population resources to raise an army that size is China and Asia.

How does this information square with your doctrine of a "Muslim" (Arab) only army attacking Israel ? Seems to me I'm not the one who hasn't got things straight from a biblical standpoint.

I already know you are going to claim Ezekiel 38:6 only refers to the Battle of Armageddon. Do you seriously expect everyone to believe all these nations are just going to spontaneously and magically appear in the Valley of Megiddo at Armageddon without any wider conflict taking place beforehand. How is China and Russia supposed to get to the Valley of Megiddo without fighting their way there ?!

East Germany is also currently part of the unified country of Germany. Doesn't it logically follow, there has to be a War in Europe where the two Germanies are split apart once again before Armageddon takes place ?

Sorry, but I just don't agree with your "Muslim" (Arab) only narrative. It sounds more like anti-Arab "political" based rhetoric, than biblical scholarship to me. It's time to wake up and start talking realistically about End Time Bible prophecy.

 

[ken777]

What about Ezekiel 38:6 and the nation of "Gomer" ? There is universal agreement among dispensational Bible scholars this nation corresponds to East Germany, while "Rosh, Gog, Magog, Meshech, and Tubal refer to various regions of modern day Russia. There is also the two hundred million man army and the "kings of the east" described in prophecy, (Revelation 9:16). As far as I know, the only country on earth that has the population resources to raise an army that size is China and Asia.

How does this information square with your doctrine of a "Muslim" (Arab) only army attacking Israel ? Seems to me I'm not the one who hasn't got things straight from a biblical standpoint.

I already know you are going to claim Ezekiel 38:6 only refers to the Battle of Armageddon. Do you seriously expect everyone to believe all these nations are just going to spontaneously and magically appear in the Valley of Megiddo at Armageddon without any wider conflict taking place beforehand. How is China and Russia supposed to get to the Valley of Megiddo without fighting their way there ?!

East Germany is also currently part of the unified country of Germany. Doesn't it logically follow, there has to be a War in Europe where the two Germanies are split apart once again before Armageddon takes place ?

Sorry, but I just don't agree with your "Muslim" (Arab) only narrative. It sounds more like anti-Arab "political" based rhetoric, than biblical scholarship to me. It's time to wake up and start talking realistically about End Time Bible prophecy.

Are you placing Ezekiel 38:6 at the battle of Armageddon (Revelation 16:16) or the battle of Gog and Magog (Revelation 20:8)?

 

[stephen583]

Are you placing Ezekiel 38:6 at the battle of Armageddon (Revelation 16:16) or the battle of Gog and Magog (Revelation 20:8)?

Some Bible scholars believe Ezekiel 38 occurs during the Second Half of the Tribulation Period, others contend it is a post Tribulation event. Still others believe it occurs after the one thousand year Millennial reign. There really doesn't seem to be an overwhelming consensus about the timing of Ezekiel 38 as far as Bible scholars are concerned.

Personally, I'm inclined to believe much of Ezekiel 38 takes place towards the end of the Second Half of the Tribulation Period. With the following caveat.. there will be a build up to the Armageddon battle itself. The armies arrayed to destroy Israel in a final massive battle, aren't just going to magically appear out of nowhere. I believe there is a separation of some three years between the initial invasion of the West Bank (Judea) in Matthew 24 and the final battle of Armageddon in Revelation 16:16.

The idea such a battle would take place after the one thousand year Millennial reign of Christ and God on earth just seems highly improbable and illogical to me. I know there is a Scriptural argument to be made for it being a post Millennium event, and I'm equally familiar with evidence that supports it as being a Tribulation event.

I can't say I'm much interested in "beating a dead horse" Bible scholars can't even agree on.

 

[stephen583]

This passage refers to the days of Noah when there were certainly signs including moral depravity, the preaching of Noah, and the building of the ark.

Noah was a "preacher of righteousness". It says so in 2 Peter 2:5. So you are absolutely correct. Mankind was warned about the consequences of their violence and depravity. This aspect of the flood story in Genesis is only touched on indirectly, where God gives his reason for destroying mankind, (Genesis 6:3, 13). A thorough investigation of Scripture does prove Noah preached about it, as indicated in 2 Peter 2:5.

Thanks for bringing that point up. Nay sayers often use the story of Noah to assert the flood came as a total surprise. I guess they only ever read Genesis. Your point is well made, "ken777, and says a lot about your scholarly Bible knowledge.

 

[John Davidson]

We don't know when Christ will return, so why speculate?

 

[Luke17:37]

We don't know when Christ will return, so why speculate?

We don't know the day or the hour, but watching (abiding) Christians will see it coming (1 Thessalonians 5:4-11, Hebrews 10:24-25, Matthew 24:33).

Personally, I don't think it can happen until 2033 at the earliest. There's a prophecy in Hosea 5:14-6:3 suggesting the revival of Israel preceding His return won't happen until 2,000 years after Jesus ascended.

 

[Straightshot]

Explain your renderings of the scriptures above please .... and how each gives the basis for your date setting

I am going to tell you that the Lord's second advent could come before this day is over .... or it could be much longer [2 Peter 3:8-9]

Can you give scriptures that refute this view? [Matthew 24:44; Luke 12:40]

You cannot do it .... so make certain that you are ready as the Lord says to you

 

[stephen583]

We don't know when Christ will return, so why speculate?

Actually, Bible prophecy tells us exactly what will be happening when Christ returns. It's in the Gospel and the Revelation. So that doesn't amount to speculation, now does it ?!

 

[SnowyMacie]

I'm fairly sure that I read that 2016 was supposed to be this important Jubilee year, and 2015 as well at one point. People have been thinking Christ will come back in the next year quite literally since he ascended into heaven. Quit trying to decode a puzzle in the Bible that doesn't exist, and focus on what you can do here and now for the Kingdom of God.

 

[Psalm3704]

Explain your renderings of the scriptures above please .... and how each gives the basis for your date setting

I think she came up with 2033 by taking the 2 days mentioned in Hosea 6:2 for 2000 years and added the age when Christ died and ascended into heaven: 2000 + 33 = 2033.

Hosea 6:2 New King James Version (NKJV)
After two days He will revive us;
On the third day He will raise us up,
That we may live in His sight.​

She's on the right track but many other scriptures in the bible points to a slightly earlier year. Christ's return is definitely around two thousand years, not back in 70 AD as some on this forum would think.








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[Psalm3704]

We don't know when Christ will return, so why speculate?

I'm not saying I know the day and hour because I don't. But not everyone knows equally the same amount of information about the bible, the gospel or prophecy. And not everyone have the same spiritual gifts.

John 16:12-15 New King James Version (NKJV)
12 “I still have many things to say to you, but you cannot bear them now.13 However, when He, the Spirit of truth, has come, He will guide you into all truth; for He will not speak on His own authority, but whatever He hears He will speak; and He will tell you things to come. 14 He will glorify Me, for He will take of what is Mine and declare it to you. 15 All things that the Father has are Mine. Therefore I said that He will take of Mine and declare it to you.

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But here's my speculation, Matthew 24:32.

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[Straightshot]

The remnant of Israel does have to be returned to the land in order to experience the time of Jacob's trouble .... no doubt .... these have been returned in sufficient numbers for the tribulation period to begin .... they are there today

When will the 70th week decreed for the tiny nation begins? no one knows .... except the Lord

 

[Douggg]

Some Bible scholars believe Ezekiel 38 occurs during the Second Half of the Tribulation Period, others contend it is a post Tribulation event. Still others believe it occurs after the one thousand year Millennial reign. There really doesn't seem to be an overwhelming consensus about the timing of Ezekiel 38 as far as Bible scholars are concerned.

Personally, I'm inclined to believe much of Ezekiel 38 takes place towards the end of the Second Half of the Tribulation Period. With the following caveat.. there will be a build up to the Armageddon battle itself. The armies arrayed to destroy Israel in a final massive battle, aren't just going to magically appear out of nowhere. I believe there is a separation of some three years between the initial invasion of the West Bank (Judea) in Matthew 24 and the final battle of Armageddon in Revelation 16:16.

The idea such a battle would take place after the one thousand year Millennial reign of Christ and God on earth just seems highly improbable and illogical to me. I know there is a Scriptural argument to be made for it being a post Millennium event, and I'm equally familiar with evidence that supports it as being a Tribulation event.

I can't say I'm much interested in "beating a dead horse" Bible scholars can't even agree on.

Gog/Magog is right before the 7 years begin. The little horn, in the wake of the destruction of Gog/Magog, will be viewed by the Jews as their messiah, and he will oversee the reading of the law (the mt Sinai covenant) to begin the seven years.

The seven years in Ezekiel 39 are between 39:16 and 39:17. The feast on Gog's army is in 39:4. 7 years later is the Armageddon feast in 39:17-20, with Jesus having returned and setting his glory among the nations.



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