10 lost tribes???

[Bro in Christ]

Who are the Saints? Certainly not us. The Saints were the earliest Christians: those who received the power of the Holy Ghost on or shortly after the day of Pentecost. Jesus identified them as follows:

"And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues; They shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them; they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover." -- Mk 16:17-18


Do you know anyone like that? I don't. I have only read about them in the scriptures. Those were the saints. We are simply the fruit of their labours.

1 cor 12:4 Now there are diversities of gifts, but the same Spirit.

Peter was writing to the scattered tribes of Israel, not the Gentiles. Moses also wrote about those "peculiar people" from the tribes of Israel:

Gal 3:28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus

not two groups... but one

"For thou art an holy people unto the Lord thy God, and the Lord hath chosen thee to be a peculiar people unto himself, above all the nations that are upon the earth." -- Deu 14:2

Law jews where promised the earth as we are promised the heavens phil 3:20 For our conversation is in heaven; from whence also we look for the Saviour, the Lord Jesus Christ:

A remnant of those peculiar people were called as the elect:

"And it shall come to pass, that whosoever shall call on the name of the Lord shall be delivered: for in mount Zion and in Jerusalem shall be deliverance, as the Lord hath said, and in the remnant whom the Lord shall call." -- Joel 2:32


"Even so then at this present time also there is a remnant according to the election of grace." -- Rom 11:5-7


They were the chosen ones--the redeemed--and they are the ones who serve in heaven as priests to the high priest:

"And they shall call them, The holy people, The redeemed of the Lord: and thou shalt be called, Sought out, A city not forsaken." -- Isa 62:12


"These are they which were not defiled with women; for they are virgins. These are they which follow the Lamb whithersoever he goeth. These were redeemed from among men, being the firstfruits unto God and to the Lamb." -- Rev 14:4


"Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years." -- Rev 20:6


They were predestined to serve the Lord in heaven:

"According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love: Having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to himself, according to the good pleasure of his will…" -- Eph 1:4-5

Yes both dispensations have different promises .... Law saints salvation in good Prelaw saints salvation better Grace saints the BEST Hebrews 8:6 , 11:39-40

You most certainly did.

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[LittleLambofJesus]

Others are mentioned, such as Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, and the prophets. But David, by name, is not mentioned, except in reference to his descendant, Jesus Christ.
Yet, futurists interpret Ezekiel in a way that places David as both the future king and the only shepherd.
Something that important should be mentioned in the New Testament.

I believe the futurist interpretation of Ezekiel 37 is not defendable.

How about the the "valley of bones" event?
I would be glad to discuss that over on this thread:

http://www.christianforums.com/t7515660/
What is the "Valley of Bones in Ezek 37 all about?


Ezekiel 37:
10 So I prophesied as He commanded me and breath came into them and they lived and they stood upon their feet, an exceedingly great army.
11 Then He said to me, "Son of adam, these bones are the whole house of Israel.
[Revelation 11:11]

Luke 2:34
And Simon blesses them and said toward Mary His mother "behold! this-one is set/lying for the falling and resurrection/ana-stasin <386> in many to-the Israel
and into a Sign spoken against"
[Ezekiel 37 "valley of bones"/Reve 11:11]

Reve 11:11
And after the three days and a half, a spirit/breath of life from YAHWEH entered in them and they stand/esthsan <2476> (5627) on their feet and great fear falls upon the ones observing them
[Ezekiel 37/Luke 2:34]


The Skeleton Dance - YouTube



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[Rev20]

1 cor 12:4 Now there are diversities of gifts, but the same Spirit.

Gal 3:28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus
not two groups... but one

That is true, but it is not in context with my statements. Jesus was sent only to the lost sheep of the house of Israel (Matt 15:24), as were his disciples for most of their ministry (Matt 10:5-6). You have noticed that the disciples and the 144,000 servants (Rev 7 and 14) are all from the children of Israel, haven't you?

Law jews where promised the earth as we are promised the heavens

That interpretation cannot be found in the new covenant, which has been the only covenant in existence since about AD70. There is no "dual covenant" promise found anywhere in the scriptures. It is all made up by the founders of dispensationalism, or their mentors.

This verse explains what happened to the old covenant:

"In that he saith, A new covenant, he hath made the first old. Now that which decayeth and waxeth old is ready to vanish away." -- Heb 8:7-13


Dreamers want to bring the old covenant back (for reasons unknown); but it is gone forever, replaced by the promises of the new covenant, which is for both Jews and Gentiles.

BTW, Paul wrote the Hebrews about mid-first century, and the old covenant was ready to vanish away even then. I suspect the destruction of Jerusalem was the final "nail in its coffin."

phil 3:20 For our conversation is in heaven; from whence also we look for the Saviour, the Lord Jesus Christ: Yes both dispensations have different promises .... Law saints salvation in good Prelaw saints salvation better Grace saints the BEST Hebrews 8:6 , 11:39-40
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There is no "dual covenant." There is only one, and it is called the New Testament. There is also only one "dispensation" from now and forever; and that is the dispensation of grace administered by the gospel of Jesus Christ. Those newly-invented "dispensations" are distractions from the true faith found in the Gospel. The church will last forever, and on this earth:

"And to know the love of Christ, which passeth knowledge, that ye might be filled with all the fulness of God. Now unto him that is able to do exceeding abundantly above all that we ask or think, according to the power that worketh in us, Unto him be glory in the church by Christ Jesus throughout all ages, world without end. Amen." -- Eph 3:19-21

 

[Rev20]

How about the the "valley of bones" event?
I would be glad to discuss that over on this thread:

http://www.christianforums.com/t7515660/
What is the "Valley of Bones in Ezek 37 all about?

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I would be glad to. I have that thread opened in a new window.

 

[Bro in Christ]

There is no "dual covenant." There is only one, and it is called the New Testament. There is also only one "dispensation" from now and forever; and that is the dispensation of grace administered by the gospel of Jesus Christ. Those newly-invented "dispensations" are distractions from the true faith found in the Gospel. The church will last forever, and on this earth:

"And to know the love of Christ, which passeth knowledge, that ye might be filled with all the fulness of God. Now unto him that is able to do exceeding abundantly above all that we ask or think, according to the power that worketh in us, Unto him be glory in the church by Christ Jesus throughout all ages, world without end. Amen." -- Eph 3:19-21

Rev 2:9 and rev 3:9 warning warning

 

[Rev20]

Rev 2:9 and rev 3:9 warning warning

I am having a hard time following you. Those two verses refer to messages from Jesus to first century Churches. Will you please explain what you are referring to?

 

[n2thelight]

I am having a hard time following you. Those two verses refer to messages from Jesus to first century Churches. Will you please explain what you are referring to?

The Churches in Revelations represent the types of Churches of today....

 

[Bro in Christ]

The Churches in Revelations represent the types of Churches of today....

Churches today taking promise from law saints and applying them to grace saints .... Thus apart of satins camp.... Now

 

[Rev20]

The Churches in Revelations represent the types of Churches of today....

That interpretation cannot be found anywhere in the scripture. It was invented by Scofield or Darby, or their mentors; and can only be derived by spiritualizing the scriptures.

The seven churches in Asia were seven actual churches in Asia that were having difficult times in the early days of apostasy and terror by the Jews. The letters to them were of immediate importance since "the time was at hand" (Rev 1:3); and have absolutely nothing to do with churches of today.

 

[Rev20]

Churches today taking promise from law saints and applying them to grace saints .... Thus apart of satins camp.... Now

I have never read that there are different kinds of saints (law and grace saints?) Where can I find that in the scripture?

 

[Bro in Christ]

I have never read that there are different kinds of saints (law and grace saints?) Where can I find that in the scripture?

look at the different promises given to the different groups

Jew promised the earth .... if gentiles become a follower they are promised to be saved but serve the Jews

Pre law saints are in heaven Heb 12:22 but not much said about them

Church saints are said to have the greatest promises Heb 8:6, Heb 11:1-40, 2 peter 1:4 we will rule with Christ 1 cor 6:2-3 are politics is in the heavens phil 3:20

 

[Rev20]

look at the different promises given to the different groups

Jew promised the earth .... if gentiles become a follower they are promised to be saved but serve the Jews

I have been reading the King James version for over 55 years, and have never read even a hint that the gentiles serve the Jews. You are going to have to post supporting scripture before I believe that.

 

[Bro in Christ]

I have been reading the King James version for over 55 years, and have never read even a hint that the gentiles serve the Jews. You are going to have to post supporting scripture before I believe that.

Have not read OT verse or haven't noticed ....

Here ya go

first off ... eph 2:11-12 change has happened

Ezekiel 39:21-29 ....

Ezekiel 30:1-26

Ezekiel 29:1-21

Isa 11:10 And in that day there shall be a root of Jesse, which shall stand for an ensign of the people; to it shall the Gentiles seek: and his rest shall be glorious.

Isa 60:16 Thou shalt also suck the milk of the Gentiles, and shalt suck the breast of kings: and thou shalt know that I the LORD am thy Saviour and thy Redeemer, the mighty One of Jacob.

Isa 61:6 But ye shall be named the Priests of the LORD: men shall call you the Ministers of our God: ye shall eat the riches of the Gentiles, and in their glory shall ye boast yourselves
Isa 61:9 And their seed shall be known among the Gentiles, and their offspring among the people: all that see them shall acknowledge them, that they are the seed which the LORD hath blessed.

Isa 66:19 And I will set a sign among them, and I will send those that escape of them unto the nations, to Tarshish, Pul, and Lud, that draw the bow, to Tubal, and Javan, to the isles afar off, that have not heard my fame, neither have seen my glory; and they shall declare my glory among the Gentiles.

Jermiah 16:19 O LORD, my strength, and my fortress, and my refuge in the day of affliction, the Gentiles shall come unto thee from the ends of the earth, and shall say, Surely our fathers have inherited lies, vanity, and things wherein there is no profit.

 

[Rev20]

Have not read OT verse or haven't noticed ....

Here ya go

first off ... eph 2:11-12 change has happened

That is correct, except vs. 12-15 are a better match. We are fellowcitizens:

"That at that time ye [Gentiles] were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world: But now in Christ Jesus ye who sometimes were far off are made nigh by the blood of Christ. For he is our peace, who hath made both one, and hath broken down the middle wall of partition between us; Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace;" -- Eph 2:12-15

"Where there is neither Greek nor Jew, circumcision nor uncircumcision, Barbarian, Scythian, bond nor free: but Christ is all, and in all." -- Col 3:11

"For the promise, that he should be the heir of the world, was not to Abraham, or to his seed, through the law, but through the righteousness of faith. For if they which are of the law be heirs, faith is made void, and the promise made of none effect:" -- Rom 4:13-14

"And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise." -- Gal 3:29

Therefore, any claim that Gentiles must serve the Jews can only be derived by misinterpreting the Old Testament scriptures.

Have not read OT verse or haven't noticed ....
Ezekiel 39:21-29 ....

Gog's soldiers were carrying wooden shields, bows, arrows, staves and spears, which Israel will burn for seven years (verse 9). Therefore, we can forget chapter 39 as fulfillment of any future prophecy.

Have not read OT verse or haven't noticed ....
Ezekiel 30:1-26

That chapter is referring to Nebuchadrezzar's invasion of Egypt. Therefore, we can forget chapter 30 as fulfillment of any future prophecy.

Have not read OT verse or haven't noticed ....
Ezekiel 29:1-21

That chapter is also referring to Nebuchadrezzar's invasion of Egypt. Therefore, we can forget chapter 29 as fulfillment of any future prophecy.

Have not read OT verse or haven't noticed ....
Isa 11:10 And in that day there shall be a root of Jesse, which shall stand for an ensign of the people; to it shall the Gentiles seek: and his rest shall be glorious.

That is a prophecy of the days of Christ, when he was sent to the lost sheep of the house of Israel (Mt 15:24) to recover the remnant (Rom 11:5), as mentioned in the next verse, Isa 11:11.

Have not read OT verse or haven't noticed ....
Isa 60:16 Thou shalt also suck the milk of the Gentiles, and shalt suck the breast of kings: and thou shalt know that I the LORD am thy Saviour and thy Redeemer, the mighty One of Jacob.

That is referring to the Church on heavenly mount Sion. Verse 14 identifies it:

"The sons also of them that afflicted thee shall come bending unto thee; and all they that despised thee shall bow themselves down at the soles of thy feet; and they shall call thee; The city of the Lord, The Zion of the Holy One of Israel." -- Is 60:14

This is the Church on heavenly mount Sion, that Isaiah 60:14 is referring to:

"But ye are come unto mount Sion, and unto the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and to an innumerable company of angels, To the general assembly and church of the firstborn, which are written in heaven, and to God the Judge of all, and to the spirits of just men made perfect, And to Jesus the mediator of the new covenant…" -- Heb 12:22-24

Those who afflicted the Church were the Jews. Their sons shall, one day, submit to the Lord and his Church, or perish, as Moses foretold (Deu 18:18-19; Acts 3:22-23). The same for the nations:

"For the nation and kingdom that will not serve thee shall perish; yea, those nations shall be utterly wasted." -- Isa 60:11-12

Have not read OT verse or haven't noticed ....
Isa 61:6 But ye shall be named the Priests of the LORD: men shall call you the Ministers of our God: ye shall eat the riches of the Gentiles, and in their glory shall ye boast yourselves
Isa 61:9 And their seed shall be known among the Gentiles, and their offspring among the people: all that see them shall acknowledge them, that they are the seed which the LORD hath blessed.

Isaiah 61 is a beautiful prophecy about the arrival of Christ and the creation of the church. 1 Peter 2:4-10 talks about the priesthood of the holy temple, and Ephesians explains the structure:

"For through him we both have access by one Spirit unto the Father. Now therefore ye are no more strangers and foreigners, but fellowcitizens with the saints, and of the household of God; And are built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ himself being the chief corner stone; In whom all the building fitly framed together groweth unto an holy temple in the Lord: In whom ye also are builded together for an habitation of God through the Spirit." -- Eph 2:18-22

Christ is the high priest (Heb 9:11), and we know that John and the other Saints from the early church are also priests (Rev 1:6.) But most of those were murdered by the Jews; and the apostles and prophets serve as the foundation of the heavenly holy temple (shown above). Therefore, if taken literally, the priests and ministers referred to in verses 6 and 9 must be those that came after, which, in all cases, ate "the riches of the Gentiles." Even my pastor does that. His ministry is his full-time job.

Have not read OT verse or haven't noticed ....
Isa 66:19 And I will set a sign among them, and I will send those that escape of them unto the nations, to Tarshish, Pul, and Lud, that draw the bow, to Tubal, and Javan, to the isles afar off, that have not heard my fame, neither have seen my glory; and they shall declare my glory among the Gentiles.

This is another beautiful chapter about the church, with a mention of the heavenly Jerusalem as the mother of us all, that is, mother of all Christians (vs. 7-10, 13). These are the new covenant references:

"But Jerusalem which is above is free, which is the mother of us all." -- Gal 4:23-26

"And she brought forth a man child, who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron: and her child was caught up unto God, and to his throne. . . And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ" -- Rev 12:5, 17

The most telling part of the chapter is the last verse of the chapter and book, when, after the destruction of Jerusalem and the end of the age (the new heaven and new earth,) there is this:

"And they shall go forth, and look upon the carcases of the men that have transgressed against me: for their worm shall not die, neither shall their fire be quenched; and they shall be an abhorring unto all flesh." -- Is 66:24

I believe over three million were killed by the Roman armies, and 1.1 million in Jerusalem alone.

Have not read OT verse or haven't noticed ....
Jermiah 16:19 O LORD, my strength, and my fortress, and my refuge in the day of affliction, the Gentiles shall come unto thee from the ends of the earth, and shall say, Surely our fathers have inherited lies, vanity, and things wherein there is no profit.

I am not sure why you referenced this verse. That chapter is about the return of Israel from the Babylonian captivity, and contains many warnings to the returnees, including vs. 19.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

look at the different promises given to the different groups

Jew promised the earth .... if gentiles become a follower, they are promised to be saved, but serve the Jews

Where the heck did you get that nonsensical bull dung from ?!?!?!

http://www.haaretz.com/jewish-world...ing-non-jews-were-born-to-serve-jews-1.320235

ADL slams Shas spiritual leader for saying non-Jews 'were born to serve Jews'

Rabbi Ovadia Yosef says in Saturday sermon that 'Goyim have no place in the world - only to serve the People of Israel'; ADL chief calls Yosef's words 'hateful' and 'divisive'.


The Anti-Defamation League on Tuesday condemned comments about non-Jews made this past weekend by Shas spiritual leader Rabbi Ovadia Yosef.
In a sermon given on Saturday on laws concerning what non-Jews are permitted to do on Shabbat, Yosef said: "Goyim [non-Jews] were born only to serve us. Without that, they have no place in the world &#8211; only to serve the People of Israel."


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[LittleLambofJesus]

I have been reading the King James version for over 55 years, and have never read even a hint that the gentiles serve the Jews.
You are going to have to post supporting scripture before I believe that.

I sure hope the Apostate Jews of today don't believe that jew/gentile nonsense........



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[Bro in Christ]

Isa 61:6 But ye shall be named the Priests of the LORD: men shall call you the Ministers of our God: ye shall eat the riches of the Gentiles, and in their glory shall ye boast yourselves

Exodous 19:6 And ye shall be unto me a kingdom of priests, and an holy nation. These are the words which thou shalt speak unto the children of Israel.

when does this happen ? 1000 yr reign

but argue if you like

 

[Rev20]

Isa 61:6 But ye shall be named the Priests of the LORD: men shall call you the Ministers of our God: ye shall eat the riches of the Gentiles, and in their glory shall ye boast yourselves

Exodous 19:6 And ye shall be unto me a kingdom of priests, and an holy nation. These are the words which thou shalt speak unto the children of Israel.

when does this happen ? 1000 yr reign

but argue if you like

Yes, the assignments of the priesthood occurred at the beginning of the thousand year reign; but that began in AD70 at the first resurrection and the destruction of Jerusalem. Peter wrote of the fulfillment of Moses' prophecy:

"But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light;" -- 1Pet 2:9

Notice the priesthood comes only from the chosen generation, which was the generation that Peter was writing to. That included John, Peter, Paul, and all the real Saints: the earliest church members who received the power of the holy spirit.

Many commentators believe that Peter is referring to Jews and Gentiles; but you will not find a single Gentile mentioned among the servants of the Lamb in the Revelation (Rev 7:4ff.) Also notice the part about "darkness" in the passage by Peter. Compare with this passage by Isaiah about the ministry of Jesus:

"Nevertheless the dimness shall not be such as was in her vexation, when at the first he lightly afflicted the land of Zebulun and the land of Naphtali, and afterward did more grievously afflict her by the way of the sea, beyond Jordan, in Galilee of the nations. The people that walked in darkness have seen a great light: they that dwell in the land of the shadow of death, upon them hath the light shined." -- Isa 9:1-2

Peter was referring to the house of Israel, and the Priests and Saints of the Most High are all Israel.

 

[Bro in Christ]

Yes, the assignments of the priesthood occurred at the beginning of the thousand year reign; but that began in AD70 at the first resurrection and the destruction of Jerusalem. Peter wrote of the fulfillment of Moses' prophecy:

if so ... why is not the dead sea healed? as scripture states

"But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light;" -- 1Pet 2:9

Notice the priesthood comes only from the chosen generation, which was the generation that Peter was writing to. That included John, Peter, Paul, and all the real Saints: the earliest church members who received the power of the holy spirit.

Many commentators believe that Peter is referring to Jews and Gentiles; but you will not find a single Gentile mentioned among the servants of the Lamb in the Revelation (Rev 7:4ff.) Also notice the part about "darkness" in the passage by Peter. Compare with this passage by Isaiah about the ministry of Jesus:

"Nevertheless the dimness shall not be such as was in her vexation, when at the first he lightly afflicted the land of Zebulun and the land of Naphtali, and afterward did more grievously afflict her by the way of the sea, beyond Jordan, in Galilee of the nations. The people that walked in darkness have seen a great light: they that dwell in the land of the shadow of death, upon them hath the light shined." -- Isa 9:1-2

Peter was referring to the house of Israel, and the Priests and Saints of the Most High are all Israel.

priests on earth ... law saints
priest in heaven .. Grace saints

 

[n2thelight]

if so ... why is not the dead sea healed? as scripture states


priests on earth ... law saints
priest in heaven .. Grace saints

Nobody will be in Heaven after the 2nd coming,Heaven shall be here on earth...The only way one gets to heaven now will be if they die,when Christ returns,He brings all those in Heaven to earth,where we shall be for all eternity....

I Thessalonians 4:14 "For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him."