10 lost tribes???

[Rev20]

Post #70 by you-


And your second comment again is not accurate without the law, but for now I'll let it go, no need to derail a topic.

Jesus fulfilled the law.

 

[Rev20]

It's important as Christians to keep the laws of Christ ,,, to judge not condemn not

the false messiah comes to destroy sinners who do not hold to the laws of Moses ...he is antichrist in that he teaches to judge and condemn rather than love

Jesus has only one law, which is carefully presented in Matthew 7:12. He fulfilled the laws of Moses. The anti-christian crowd will try to convince us otherwise. Christians must remain strong in the gospel of Christ to resist the wiles of Satan.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Originally Posted by Bro in Christ

Rev 7 .... the lost tribes ... do not looked to be lost .... mmmm ... to God
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They never were lost to God........

Perhaps it means "perishing/marred". The greek word used for that appears to be used in different ways. IHMO

Matthew 10:6
Be going yet rather to the sheep, the having been lost/perishing/apo-lwlota <622> (5756) of-house of Israel.

Matthew 15:
24 The yet answered and said "not I was sent except into the the sheep, the having been lost/perishing/apo-lwlota <622> (5756), of house of Israel.

622. apollumi ap-ol'-loo-mee from 575 and the base of 3639; to destroy fully (reflexively, to perish, or lose), literally or figuratively:--destroy, die, lose, mar, perish.
literally or figuratively:--destroy, die, lose, mar, perish.
3639. olethros ol'-eth-ros from a primary ollumi (to destroy; a prolonged form); ruin, i.e. death, punishment:--destruction.

 

[Rev20]

Rev 7 .... the lost tribes ... do not looked to be lost .... mmmm ... to God

Absolutely! Jesus knew where they could be found, and he and his disciples went to retrieve them--to bring them into his fold:

"I am the good shepherd, and know my sheep, and am known of mine. As the Father knoweth me, even so know I the Father: and I lay down my life for the sheep. And other sheep I have, which are not of this fold: them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice; and there shall be one fold, and one shepherd." -- Jn 10:14-16

 

[dfw69]

Jesus has only one law, which is carefully presented in Matthew 7:12. He fulfilled the laws of Moses. The anti-christian crowd will try to convince us otherwise. Christians must remain strong in the gospel of Christ to resist the wiles of Satan.

He fulfilled the law and obtained the righteousness of the law and is able to give his righteousness to those who obey his commandments...love forgive 70x7 judge not condemn not have mercy to such there is no law of Moses

 

[Rev20]

Perhaps it means "perishing/marred". The greek word used for that appears to be used in different ways. IHMO

Matthew 10:6
Be going yet rather to the sheep, the having been lost/perishing/apo-lwlota <622> (5756) of-house of Israel.

Matthew 15:
24 The yet answered and said "not I was sent except into the the sheep, the having been lost/perishing/apo-lwlota <622> (5756), of house of Israel.

622. apollumi ap-ol'-loo-mee from 575 and the base of 3639; to destroy fully (reflexively, to perish, or lose), literally or figuratively:--destroy, die, lose, mar, perish.
literally or figuratively:--destroy, die, lose, mar, perish.
3639. olethros ol'-eth-ros from a primary ollumi (to destroy; a prolonged form); ruin, i.e. death, punishment:--destruction.

Yes. It could be used literally or figuratively. In this case it appears to be used figuratively, that is they were not lost as in destroyed. Jesus said he was sent only for them, and he would bring them all into one fold; and he initially sent his disciples only to the lost sheep.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Rev 7 .... the lost tribes ... do not looked to be lost .... mmmm ... to God

Except that Dan and the half-tribe of Ephraim are missing.

The half-tribe of Manasseh appears to have replaced Dan.
Ephraim and Manasseh are the 2 sons of Joseph.

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[n2thelight]

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[n2thelight]

Jesus has only one law, which is carefully presented in Matthew 7:12. He fulfilled the laws of Moses. The anti-christian crowd will try to convince us otherwise. Christians must remain strong in the gospel of Christ to resist the wiles of Satan.

The problem is that most do not understand the differences between Laws Ordinances and Statutes

Matthew 5:17 "Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil."

Works has nothing to do with the law. The law is the teacher, or school master to show you how to do good works, while your works is a display that reveals your obedience to that law. Your works shows your discipline from God's Word being carried out in your life. While the attitude you have while doing your works shows your love for Christ in your life.

Many teach that when Christ came and went to the cross at Calvary, and shed His blood for us that the law was done away with. Jesus Christ Himself declares here that this is just not so. Jesus declared here that; "think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the Prophets", Christ's purpose for coming to earth, was to complete every last prophecy that came out of the Prophets of old. That included the law, for the law was given for guidance for man, and it is as current today as it was three thousand years ago.

God knew that man could not keep the law, and that is why He made the provision for man. When man broke the law, and the barrier came between God and man, and certain rites, ordinances, and rituals [sacrifices] were established by God to bring man back to God. These sacrifices were of the blood of sheep, goats and doves, and were a covering, [called atonement] that satisfied the Lord God for one year.
The only permanent sacrifice that could atone for mans sin, was a spotless sacrifice, sinless, and the only one that could do that was God's only Son, Jesus Christ. This was known long before the setting forth of the planets. God's plan was even written in the constellations of the heavens. The moment our Lord Jesus Christ died on that cross, the veil in the Temple was parted.

Matthew 27:50, 51; "Jesus, when He had cried again with a loud voice, yielded up the ghost. [50] And, behold, the veil of the Temple was rent in twain form the top to the bottom; and the earth did quake, and the rocks rent;" [51]

This took place when every last rite, ordinance and sacrificial ritual that required a blood sacrifice of animals, (or part of those blood sacrifices) was done away with, for Jesus Christ's death on the cross fulfilled them all. However, those laws that deal with the governing of our everyday lives, were and are still on the books, and they are what God expects the true man and woman of God to follow. Those laws and commandments should be common knowledge to all mankind, for they are what all civilized law and government is based upon. The ten commandments, as Jesus will discuss later in this chapter, are just acting out plain common sense, and when anyone tells you that you don't have to follow the law because it is dead, and then you violate them, then you will deserve what ever punishment is given for it's violation.
Behind that veil [called the holy of holies] in the Temple is where the blood sacrifices were laid on the Altar of God. Only the Levitical priesthood could go into the Holy of Holies, behind the veil, and approach our Heavenly Father.

Now our love and belief in Jesus Christ, and His saving works on the cross, is what allows us to approach God, with our repentance for our sin, and the changing of our sinful ways. It is beautiful how our Heavenly Father made the way to Him so easy, but the price was very high, for it took the very life's blood of His Son, Jesus Christ. When you refuse that gift, you are throwing it right back in His face, and you will answer for that at the appointed time.

Matthew 5:18 "For verily I say unto you, till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled."

Not one word that has been written, or Prophesied in the Scriptures will be done away with, not one. The "jot" is the smallest letter in the Hebrew language, and appears like this " ' ", and it is recorded in the original Massoretic text 66,420 times. It is called "yod", and is pronounced "iota". However the jot, like the tittle have no sound where it is used.

The "tittle" is an small ornament that is placed over Hebrew letters, so you can tell the difference between the two letters that are very similar in appearance. It has no sound of its own, but eliminates the confusion of identifing Hebrew letters, such as telling the difference between R = resh [ ], and D = deleth [ ]. Jesus has told us that every marking of the original will stay in place, and apply to God's people, until that prophecy has come to pass, or the law has been fulfilled.

Many prophecies are already fulfilled, as well as all the blood sacrifices, and ordinances. Some of the law will not be fulfilled until after judgment day, when we enter the eternal age. Then all sin will be done away with, because the tempter, Satan, and all those that followed his ways will be turned to ashes. The health laws are in place to give us a long healthful life, while living in the flesh. To break those laws, is not so much a sin, but results in poor health, and sickness.

Matthew 5:19 "Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven."

The blood ordinances are gone, they were finish when Christ went to the cross, but not one of God's laws has been fulfilled. Jesus is telling His disciples and us that that if we break even the smallest law, we break them all. God holds those that go out and on purpose, breaks any of them, the least of importance in His kingdom. Did you get that? "and shallteach men so." I would think twice before teaching that the law was done away with, or if I did, it is time for repentance for you.

The breaking of the law does not make the law bad, but it makes man bad. When the law is broken, then we must follow Christ's first words of instruction, in Matthew 4:17; "Repent for the kingdom of heaven is at hand." Until you repent, you will wear your sins. Being a believer does not wash your sins away. But when you repent in Jesus name, they are gone forever. We sin in so many things, daily, and this is why we must repent daily. We must die daily to our sinful nature, that is in conflict with the new nature that God has placed within us when we accept Jesus Christ.

 

[Rev20]

The problem is that most do not understand the differences between Laws Ordinances and Statutes
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Matthew 5:19 "Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven."

The blood ordinances are gone, they were finish when Christ went to the cross, but not one of God's laws has been fulfilled. Jesus is telling His disciples and us that that if we break even the smallest law, we break them all. God holds those that go out and on purpose, breaks any of them, the least of importance in His kingdom. Did you get that? "and shallteach men so." I would think twice before teaching that the law was done away with, or if I did, it is time for repentance for you.

And what happens to one destined for the kingdom of God/heaven who breaks one of those least commandments? They are still greater than John the Baptist:

"Verily I say unto you, Among them that are born of women there hath not risen a greater than John the Baptist: notwithstanding he that is least in the kingdom of heaven is greater than he." -- Mt 11:11

"For I say unto you, Among those that are born of women there is not a greater prophet than John the Baptist: but he that is least in the kingdom of God is greater than he." -- Lk 7:28

The "least commandments" (mentioned in Matt 5:19) were those Jesus taught his disciples during the sermon on the Mount in Matthew chapters 5, 6 & 7.

The breaking of the law does not make the law bad, but it makes man bad. When the law is broken, then we must follow Christ's first words of instruction, in Matthew 4:17; "Repent for the kingdom of heaven is at hand." Until you repent, you will wear your sins. Being a believer does not wash your sins away. But when you repent in Jesus name, they are gone forever. We sin in so many things, daily, and this is why we must repent daily. We must die daily to our sinful nature, that is in conflict with the new nature that God has placed within us when we accept Jesus Christ.

We will be judged according to our works.

 

[Rev20]

Except that Dan and the half-tribe of Ephraim are missing.

The half-tribe of Manasseh appears to have replaced Dan.
Ephraim and Manasseh are the 2 sons of Joseph.

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The half-tribe of Ephraim became "Joseph" in the Revelation, from a terminology perspective.

"Say unto them, Thus saith the Lord God; Behold, I will take the stick of Joseph, which is in the hand of Ephraim, and the tribes of Israel his fellows, and will put them with him, even with the stick of Judah, and make them one stick, and they shall be one in mine hand." -- Eze 37:19

I believe that occurred after the return from Babylon when some members from all the tribes merged under the banner of Judah, or as "Jews."

 

[n2thelight]

The half-tribe of Ephraim became "Joseph" in the Revelation, from a terminology perspective.

"Say unto them, Thus saith the Lord God; Behold, I will take the stick of Joseph, which is in the hand of Ephraim, and the tribes of Israel his fellows, and will put them with him, even with the stick of Judah, and make them one stick, and they shall be one in mine hand." -- Eze 37:19

I believe that occurred after the return from Babylon when some members from all the tribes merged under the banner of Judah, or as "Jews."

Wont happen until Christ returns

 

[Rev20]

Wont happen until Christ returns

What is your evidence?

 

[n2thelight]

What is your evidence?

Ezekiel 37:21 "And say unto them, Thus saith the Lord God; Behold, I will take the children of Israel from among the heathen, whither they be one, and will gather them on every side, and bring them into their own land:"

Ezekiel 37:22 And I will make them one nation in the land upon the mountains of Israel; and one king shall be king to them all: and they shall be no more two nations, neither shall they be divided into two kingdoms any more at all:"

Ezekiel 37:23 "Neither shall they defile themselves any more with their idols, nor with their detestable things, nor with any of their transgressions:"


Ezekiel 37:24 "And David My servant shall be king over them; and they all shall have one shepherd: they shall also walk in My judgments, and observe My statutes, and do them."

Because David is not the king but he will when he returns with Christ.....

 

[Rev20]

Ezekiel 37:21 "And say unto them, Thus saith the Lord God; Behold, I will take the children of Israel from among the heathen, whither they be one, and will gather them on every side, and bring them into their own land:"

Ezekiel 37:22 And I will make them one nation in the land upon the mountains of Israel; and one king shall be king to them all: and they shall be no more two nations, neither shall they be divided into two kingdoms any more at all:"

Ezekiel 37:23 "Neither shall they defile themselves any more with their idols, nor with their detestable things, nor with any of their transgressions:"

Ezekiel 37:24 "And David My servant shall be king over them; and they all shall have one shepherd: they shall also walk in My judgments, and observe My statutes, and do them."

Because David is not the king but he will when he returns with Christ.....

So, David will be the king, and not Christ? David has been dead for a long time, so that must be referring to the spiritual name of David. Peter explained in the Acts:

"Men and brethren, let me freely speak unto you of the patriarch David, that he is both dead and buried, and his sepulchre is with us unto this day. Therefore being a prophet, and knowing that God had sworn with an oath to him, that of the fruit of his loins, according to the flesh, he would raise up Christ to sit on his throne; He seeing this before spake of the resurrection of Christ, that his soul was not left in hell, neither his flesh did see corruption. This Jesus hath God raised up, whereof we all are witnesses. Therefore being by the right hand of God exalted, and having received of the Father the promise of the Holy Ghost, he hath shed forth this, which ye now see and hear. For David is not ascended into the heavens: but he saith himself, The Lord said unto my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand, Until I make thy foes thy footstool." -- Acts 2:29-35


So, Peter eliminated any possibility that David would be the one sitting on the throne, therefore making void any literal interpretation of Ezekiel 37 and Ezekiel 34, where it is prophesied that David will be the only shepherd, and not Christ:

"Therefore will I save my flock, and they shall no more be a prey; and I will judge between cattle and cattle. And I will set up one shepherd over them, and he shall feed them, even my servant David; he shall feed them, and he shall be their shepherd. And I the Lord will be their God, and my servant David a prince among them; I the Lord have spoken it. And I will make with them a covenant of peace, and will cause the evil beasts to cease out of the land: and they shall dwell safely in the wilderness, and sleep in the woods." -- Eze 34:22-25


And Jeremiah prophesied that David will be their king, after being raised up:

"But they shall serve the Lord their God, and David their king, whom I will raise up unto them." -- Jer 30:9


Therefore, all those prophesies must be interpreted figuratively, not literally. Jeremiah explains later that his words about David are not literal:

"In those days, and at that time, will I cause the Branch of righteousness to grow up unto David; and he shall execute judgment and righteousness in the land. In those days shall Judah be saved, and Jerusalem shall dwell safely: and this is the name wherewith she shall be called, The Lord our righteousness. For thus saith the Lord; David shall never want a man to sit upon the throne of the house of Israel;" -- Jer 33:15-17

 

[ebedmelech]

Because David is not the king but he will when he returns with Christ.....

I think you've really missed it there. The Davidic Covenant IS FULFILLED!

Peter has revealed that in Acts 2:34-36...He's telling you Jesus is enthroned NOW!

Matthew's gospel is best to reveal this because it is written for the Jew! Recall these passages:

*Matthew 1:1:
The record of the genealogy of Jesus the Messiah, the son of David, the son of Abraham:

*Matthew 9:27:
As Jesus went on from there, two blind men followed Him, crying out, “Have mercy on us, Son of David!”

*Matthew 15:22:
And a Canaanite woman from that region came out and began to cry out, saying, “Have mercy on me, Lord, Son of David; my daughter is cruelly demon-possessed.”

*Matthew 20:20:
And two blind men sitting by the road, hearing that Jesus was passing by, cried out, “Lord, have mercy on us, Son of David!”

Matthew 21:9:
The crowds going ahead of Him, and those who followed, were shouting, “Hosanna to the Son of David; Blessed is He who comes in the name of the Lord; Hosanna in the highest!
These all tell you Jesus is the subject and Jesus is the fulfillment of the Davidic Covenant my friend. Peter made it real clear that David IS NOT the King...JESUS IS!

This idea David is going to be king again is foreign to scripture. Remember what Jesus said to the Pharisees, Sadducees, and scribes, in Matthew 22:42-46:
41 Now while the Pharisees were gathered together, Jesus asked them a question:
42 “What do you think about the Christ, whose son is He?” They *said to Him, “The son of David.”
43 He *said to them, “Then how does David in the Spirit call Him ‘Lord,’ saying,
44 ‘The Lord said to my Lord, “Sit at My right hand, Until I put Your enemies beneath Your feet”’?
45 If David then calls Him ‘Lord,’ how is He his son?”
46 No one was able to answer Him a word, nor did anyone dare from that day on to ask Him another question.

JESUS SET THE RECORD STRAIGHT HIMSELF!!! In your reference to Ezekiel 37:24 you should evaluate what God means in saying through Ezekiel "My Servant David"...because that IS CHRIST.

It further says "and they shall have ONE SHEPHERD"...so now...think about what Jesus said in John 10:11:
11 “I am the good shepherd; the good shepherd lays down His life for the sheep.

 

[dfw69]

Ezekiel 37:21 "And say unto them, Thus saith the Lord God; Behold, I will take the children of Israel from among the heathen, whither they be one, and will gather them on every side, and bring them into their own land:"

Ezekiel 37:22 And I will make them one nation in the land upon the mountains of Israel; and one king shall be king to them all: and they shall be no more two nations, neither shall they be divided into two kingdoms any more at all:"

Ezekiel 37:23 "Neither shall they defile themselves any more with their idols, nor with their detestable things, nor with any of their transgressions:"


Ezekiel 37:24 "And David My servant shall be king over them; and they all shall have one shepherd: they shall also walk in My judgments, and observe My statutes, and do them."

Because David is not the king but he will when he returns with Christ.....

Yes amen...David is raised ...and lives...and Jesus returns with the resurrect saints ..to set up the kingdom of Israel

Jesus fulfilled the law obtaining all the promises of the law and prophets...and will complete them

 

[Rev20]

Yes amen...David is raised ...and lives...and Jesus returns with the resurrect saints ..to set up the kingdom of Israel

Jesus fulfilled the law obtaining all the promises of the law and prophets...and will complete them

Where can I find David being raised in the New Testament?

 

[dfw69]

Where can I find David being raised in the New Testament?

If you believe the saints are ever resurrected...you can be sure David is among them...because God said in the old testament he would be....God does not say things in vain

 

[Bro in Christ]

1 king 11:34
ezek 34:24
ezek 37:25 david is a prince to rule while JC is KING during the 1000 yr rule