10 lost tribes???

[Rev20]

Originally Posted by Bro in Christ View Post
Heb 12:18-24

ex 19:6And ye shall be unto me a kingdom of priests, and an holy nation. These are the words which thou shalt speak unto the children of Israel....

rev 2:9 and Rev 3:9 warning in taking Jewish promises for gentile for today

I have never heard that before. In Rev 2:9 and 3:9 Jesus was explaining to the early churches that those in the synagogues, who were creating terror amongst the early churches, were not really Jews as everyone believed; but were working for Satan. True Jews were/are circumcised in the spirit:

Rev 2:9 I know thy works, and tribulation, and poverty, (but thou art rich) and I know the blasphemy of them which say they are Jews, and are not, but are the synagogue of Satan.

rev 3:9 Behold, I will make them of the synagogue of Satan, which say they are Jews, and are not, but do lie; behold, I will make them to come and worship before thy feet, and to know that I have loved thee.

"For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh: But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, b ut of God." -- Rom 2:28-29 Jews during law period

Gal 3:28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus

Jesus was merely restating, in different words, his earlier encounter with the self-proclaimed Jews:

"Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it." -- Jn 8:44

Romans 10:12, 1 jn 3:9

What is your point?

 

[Bro in Christ]

It is old testament prophecy. It is all symbolic. For example, the following is from Ezekiel, and it has all the hallmarks of "last days" prophecy and the "regathering of Israel":

"But they shall serve the Lord their God, and David their king, whom I will raise up unto them." -- Jer 30:9

"And I will set up one shepherd over them, and he shall feed them, even my servant David; he shall feed them, and he shall be their shepherd." -- Eze 34:23

"And I will make them one nation in the land upon the mountains of Israel; and one king shall be king to them all: and they shall be no more two nations, neither shall they be divided into two kingdoms any more at all. Neither shall they defile themselves any more with their idols, nor with their detestable things, nor with any of their transgressions: but I will save them out of all their dwellingplaces, wherein they have sinned, and will cleanse them: so shall they be my people, and I will be their God. And David my servant shall be king over them; and they all shall have one shepherd: they shall also walk in my judgments, and observe my statutes, and do them." -- Eze 37:22-24

When does that happen? When does David rule over Israel and become their only shepherd?

This connects to the 1000 yr reign of Christ when his angels are the police force Matt 5,13 and is after the sheep and goat judgement in Matt 25 where Dan 12 happens to Law saints getting their Eternal life

this will throw ya but its bible

 

[Bro in Christ]

Originally Posted by Bro in Christ View Post
Originally Posted by Bro in Christ View Post
Heb 12:18-24

ex 19:6And ye shall be unto me a kingdom of priests, and an holy nation. These are the words which thou shalt speak unto the children of Israel....

rev 2:9 and Rev 3:9 warning in taking Jewish promises for gentile for today

I have never heard that before. In Rev 2:9 and 3:9 Jesus was explaining to the early churches that those in the synagogues, who were creating terror amongst the early churches, were not really Jews as everyone believed; but were working for Satan. True Jews were/are circumcised in the spirit:

Rev 2:9 I know thy works, and tribulation, and poverty, (but thou art rich) and I know the blasphemy of them which say they are Jews, and are not, but are the synagogue of Satan.

rev 3:9 Behold, I will make them of the synagogue of Satan, which say they are Jews, and are not, but do lie; behold, I will make them to come and worship before thy feet, and to know that I have loved thee.

"For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh: But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, b ut of God." -- Rom 2:28-29 Jews during law period

Gal 3:28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus

Jesus was merely restating, in different words, his earlier encounter with the self-proclaimed Jews:

"Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it." -- Jn 8:44

Romans 10:12, 1 jn 3:9
What is your point?


How are these Gentile that are saying they are Jews and are not doing? they are taking Jewish promises and stating that those are their promises ... and ignore Romans 9-11

 

[Rev20]

Originally Posted by Bro in Christ View Post
Originally Posted by Bro in Christ View Post
Heb 12:18-24

ex 19:6And ye shall be unto me a kingdom of priests, and an holy nation. These are the words which thou shalt speak unto the children of Israel....

rev 2:9 and Rev 3:9 warning in taking Jewish promises for gentile for today

I have never heard that before. In Rev 2:9 and 3:9 Jesus was explaining to the early churches that those in the synagogues, who were creating terror amongst the early churches, were not really Jews as everyone believed; but were working for Satan. True Jews were/are circumcised in the spirit:

Rev 2:9 I know thy works, and tribulation, and poverty, (but thou art rich) and I know the blasphemy of them which say they are Jews, and are not, but are the synagogue of Satan.

rev 3:9 Behold, I will make them of the synagogue of Satan, which say they are Jews, and are not, but do lie; behold, I will make them to come and worship before thy feet, and to know that I have loved thee.

"For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh: But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, b ut of God." -- Rom 2:28-29 Jews during law period

Gal 3:28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus

Jesus was merely restating, in different words, his earlier encounter with the self-proclaimed Jews:

"Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it." -- Jn 8:44

Romans 10:12, 1 jn 3:9
What is your point?


How are these Gentile that are saying they are Jews and are not doing? they are taking Jewish promises and stating that those are their promises ... and ignore Romans 9-11

They are not Gentiles! They are Jews of the old covenant circumcision who are making war against the church. Hence, they are not really Jews, but are Satan's children. The true Jews, according to Paul, are circumcised in the spirit, and belong to Christ. The others are "Jews In Name Only," or JINO's. Real Jews do not call themselves Jews, but call themselves Christians.

 

[Rev20]

This connects to the 1000 yr reign of Christ when his angels are the police force Matt 5,13 and is after the sheep and goat judgement in Matt 25 where Dan 12 happens to Law saints getting their Eternal life

this will throw ya but its bible

I don't see how that fits my question about David in Ezekiel? Can you rephrase?

 

[Bro in Christ]

This connects to the 1000 yr reign of Christ when his angels are the police force Matt 5:27-32 ,13:36-43 and is after the sheep and goat judgement in Matt 25:31-46 where -Dan 12 happens to Law saints getting their Eternal life

David is call a princes for during the 1000 yr reign

this will throw ya but its bible

sorry do not know what else your asking

 

[Rev20]

This connects to the 1000 yr reign of Christ when his angels are the police force Matt 5:27-32 ,13:36-43 and is after the sheep and goat judgement in Matt 25:31-46 where -Dan 12 happens to Law saints getting their Eternal life

David is call a princes for during the 1000 yr reign

this will throw ya but its bible

sorry do not know what else your asking

If David is the ruler of Israel for the "1000 years", then what happened to Jesus' promise to his disciples? He promised them they would rule the twelve tribes:

"And I appoint unto you a kingdom, as my Father hath appointed unto me; That ye may eat and drink at my table in my kingdom, and sit on thrones judging the twelve tribes of Israel." -- Lk 22:29-30

Also, I had always been led to believe that Jesus is the one shepherd over all of us. But Ezekiel states that David would be the one shepherd over all. Can you explain that?

And why is David as king (or prince, or shepherd) not mentioned once in the New Testament?

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

If David is the ruler of Israel for the "1000 years", then what happened to Jesus' promise to his disciples? He promised them they would rule the twelve tribes:

"And I appoint unto you a kingdom, as my Father hath appointed unto me; That ye may eat and drink at my table in my kingdom, and sit on thrones judging the twelve tribes of Israel." -- Lk 22:29-30

Also, I had always been led to believe that Jesus is the one shepherd over all of us. But Ezekiel states that David would be the one shepherd over all. Can you explain that?

And why is David as king (or prince, or shepherd) not mentioned once in the New Testament?

He is in a few verses.......
But Jesus is quoted many times as being "son of King David", which would make Jesus a King according to descendancy

Mat 1:6
and Jesse the father of King David.
David was the father of Solomon, whose mother had been Uriah's wife,

Mat 9:27
And when Jesus departed thence, two blind men followed him, crying, and saying, Thou Son of David, have mercy on us.

Act 13:22
After removing Saul, he made David their king. God testified concerning him: ‘I have found David son of Jesse, a man after my own heart; he will do everything I want him to do.'


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[Rev20]

He is in a few verses.......
But Jesus is quoted many times as being "son of King David", which would make Jesus a King according to descendancy

Mat 1:6
and Jesse the father of King David.
David was the father of Solomon, whose mother had been Uriah's wife,

Mat 9:27
And when Jesus departed thence, two blind men followed him, crying, and saying, Thou Son of David, have mercy on us.

Act 13:22
After removing Saul, he made David their king. God testified concerning him: ‘I have found David son of Jesse, a man after my own heart; he will do everything I want him to do.'

Thanks, I understand that Christ is the son of David, and that the references to a future David in Ezekiel and Jeremiah refer to Christ. But literalists must take those references to David literally, that is, as a resurrected David sitting on a throne judging all of Israel. Obviously, that is not going to happen; and literalism clearly fails in those instances. And if literalism fails there, it is likely it fails in many other instances.

Anyway, that was my point.

 

[Bro in Christ]

If David is the ruler of Israel for the "1000 years", then what happened to Jesus' promise to his disciples? He promised them they would rule the twelve tribes:

"And I appoint unto you a kingdom, as my Father hath appointed unto me; That ye may eat and drink at my table in my kingdom, and sit on thrones judging the twelve tribes of Israel." -- Lk 22:29-30

Also, I had always been led to believe that Jesus is the one shepherd over all of us. But Ezekiel states that David would be the one shepherd over all. Can you explain that?

And why is David as king (or prince, or shepherd) not mentioned once in the New Testament?

excellent question..... the 12 apostles are stationed at the 12 gates at the New Jersalem judging to make sure no unrighteousness gets in and they get the tree of life to heal .... the Law saints[priest] are being grabbed by 10 people to get a ride up by angels.. [Jacob Ladder] their is an angel that is the mucsle

 

[Rev20]

excellent question..... the 12 apostles are stationed at the 12 gates at the New Jersalem judging to make sure no unrighteousness gets in and they get the tree of life to heal .... the Law saints[priest] are being grabbed by 10 people to get a ride up by angels.. [Jacob Ladder] their is an angel that is the mucsle

I believe you misread Revelation 21:14. The apostles serve as the foundations of the city:

"And the wall of the city had twelve foundations, and in them the names of the twelve apostles of the Lamb." -- Rev 21:14​

They, along with the prophets, also serve as the foundations of the holy temple:

"Now therefore ye are no more strangers and foreigners, but fellowcitizens with the saints, and of the household of God; And are built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ himself being the chief corner stone; In whom all the building fitly framed together groweth unto an holy temple in the Lord: In whom ye also are builded together for an habitation of God through the Spirit." -- Eph 2:19-22​

And none of that explains the undocumented appearance of David as the king of Israel and the only shepherd. Once you admit that prophecies of "David" in Ezekiel and Jeremiah are referring only to Christ, we will be on the same page. There is no way I will believe that the "Root and offspring of David", the Lord of us all, will not be the ruler and chief shepherd, forever. The New Testament demands it.

Israel has made that mistake twice already, by rejecting the Lord's rule from heaven, in lieu of an earthly king. The second time around they conspired to kill our Lord. In both instances they committed great sin. I highly recommend they set aside their lust for power, and turn to Christ, while the offer is still on the table.

I am going to ignore future "law saints" arguments. That is about as strange to me as, say, Islam or Buddhism, and about as poorly documented in the scriptures (there is none.)

 

[Bro in Christ]

Originally Posted by Rev20 View Post
If David is the ruler of Israel for the "1000 years", then what happened to Jesus' promise to his disciples? He promised them they would rule the twelve tribes:

"And I appoint unto you a kingdom, as my Father hath appointed unto me; That ye may eat and drink at my table in my kingdom, and sit on thrones judging the twelve tribes of Israel." -- Lk 22:29-30

Also, I had always been led to believe that Jesus is the one shepherd over all of us. But Ezekiel s-tates that David would be the one shepherd over all. Can you explain that?

And why is David as king (or prince, or shepherd) not mentioned once in the New Testament?

excellent question..... the 12 apostles are stationed at the 12 gates at the New Jersalem luke 22:29-30, rev 21:21 judging to make sure no unrighteousness gets in rev 21:27 and they get the tree of life to heal rev 22:1-3 .... the Law saints[priest] are being grabbed by 10 people to get a ride up by angels.. zech 8:23, gen 28:12, Jn 1:51 [Jacob Ladder] their is an angel that is the mucsle Matt 13:37-43


David is called a prince ... today language is a governor .... JC still the king

 

[Bro in Christ]

I believe you misread Revelation 21:14. The apostles serve as the foundations of the city:

"And the wall of the city had twelve foundations, and in them the names of the twelve apostles of the Lamb." -- Rev 21:14​

Rev 21:14 Now the wall of the city had 12 foundations , and on those foundations were the names of the 12 apostles of the lamb

differently translated but I believe this one is easier to understand ... similar to eph 3:18, 1peter 2:5 is people a building or like a building

They, along with the prophets, also serve as the foundations of the holy temple:

"Now therefore ye are no more strangers and foreigners, but fellowcitizens with the saints, and of the household of God; And are built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ himself being the chief corner stone; In whom all the building fitly framed together groweth unto an holy temple in the Lord: In whom ye also are builded together for an habitation of God through the Spirit." -- Eph 2:19-22​

And none of that explains the undocumented appearance of David as the king of Israel and the only shepherd. Once you admit that prophecies of "David" in Ezekiel and Jeremiah are referring only to Christ, we will be on the same page. There is no way I will believe that the "Root and offspring of David", the Lord of us all, will not be the ruler and chief shepherd, forever. The New Testament demands it.

Israel has made that mistake twice already, by rejecting the Lord's rule from heaven, in lieu of an earthly king. The second time around they conspired to kill our Lord. In both instances they committed great sin. I highly recommend they set aside their lust for power, and turn to Christ, while the offer is still on the table.

I am going to ignore future "law saints" arguments. That is about as strange to me as, say, Islam or Buddhism, and about as poorly documented in the scriptures (there is none.)

who is promise the earth/ land ?
who is promised the heavens?

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Originally Posted by Rev20

I believe you misread Revelation 21:14. The apostles serve as the foundations of the city:

"And the wall of the city had twelve foundations, and in them the names of the twelve apostles of the Lamb." -- Rev 21:14
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Rev 21:14 Now the wall of the city had 12 foundations , and on those foundations were the names of the 12 apostles of the lamb

differently translated but I believe this one is easier to understand ... similar to eph 3:18, 1peter 2:5 is people a building or like a building
..........

That would depend on what greek text one uses.
Anyway, that is something for the Jews to look at....IMHO

Greek New Testament - Parallel Greek New Testament by John Hurt

14
and the wall of the City *having foundations twelve and upon/*in *them [*twelve] names of the twelve Apostles of the lamb.

TexRec) Revelation 21:14
kai to teicoV thV polewV econ qemeliouV dwdeka kai en autoiV ******* onomata twn dwdeka apostolwn tou arniou
ByzMaj) Revelation 21:14
kai to teicoV thV polewV econ qemeliouV dwdeka kai ep autwn dwdeka onomata twn dwdeka apostolwn tou arniou
W-H) Revelation 21:14
kai to teicoV thV polewV ecwn qemeliouV dwdeka kai ep autwn dwdeka onomata twn dwdeka apostolwn tou arniou


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[Rev20]

who is promise the earth/ land ?

The meek are promised the earth (Matt 5:5).

who is promised the heavens?

The poor in spirit are promised the kingdom of heaven (Matt 5:3).

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

The meek are promised the earth (Matt 5:5).

The poor in spirit are promised the kingdom of heaven (Matt 5:3).

http://www.christianforums.com/t7539660/#post56864014
God just wants us to be happy and get along...

5:3
Happy arethe poor-ones to the spirit,
that of them is the Kindom of the Heavens/ouranwn <3772>.

5:5
Happy are the meek-ones,
that they shall be inheriting/klhronomhsousin <2816> (5692) the land

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oI0OhH5LU3A


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[Bro in Christ]

Originally Posted by Bro in Christ View Post
who is promise the earth/ land ?
The meek are promised the earth (Matt 5:5).


Duet 12:1,Ps 2:8, Ps 37:11... contrast with 2 peter 1:4 phil 3:20, Heb 11:39-40

Originally Posted by Bro in Christ View Post
who is promised the heavens?
The poor in spirit are promised the kingdom of heaven (Matt 5:3).
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Then why in Phil 4:19 But my God shall fill full all your mental needs according to the riches in Glory by Christ Jesus .

I am rich compared to poor .... why the difference

1 cor 2:16 For who hath known the mind of the Lord, that he may instruct him? But we have the mind of Christ.

is Christ poor in spirit ?

Kingdom of heaven is where tares and wheat resides .. matt 13:38