satan's Xmas treat

"Please don't assume what I know. I celebrate Jesus's life everyday!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! "

Oh, I"m not, by any means. But if you have fallen for what the world has told you about the holiday, then you don't know what it is truely about. That's what I was saying.

Originally posted by LouisBooth
"Please don't assume what I know. I celebrate Jesus's life everyday!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! "

Oh, I"m not, by any means. But if you have fallen for what the world has told you about the holiday, then you don't know what it is truely about. That's what I was saying.

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You are being condescending again!

I have not "fallen" for anything. The decision was made between me, my husband, and God.

Terri

"You are being condescending again!

I have not "fallen" for anything. The decision was made between me, my husband, and God.
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I just think you're believing what the world has told you about the holiday, that's all, and that's what I said. Sorry if your perception takes that as being conceided, cause its not.

First, no where in the Bible does it say celebrating birthdays are a sin.
Second, if you are aware of any pagan activities associated with the holiday, dont do them. Actually, there are is one thing that is still treated as a pagan ritual and that is missletoe. It was replaced by Holly. Everything else is just decoration, since no one is worshipping anything except Christ on His birthday. So, I dont use missletoe at my Christmas celebrations and we always pray before open gifts, recognizing the true value of them and the day.
Third, do not participate in the commercial end. You dont have to do anything you see as sin. Any Christian alreadyknows about the over commercialization of Christmas, Thanksgiving and Easter,
which should actually be called Resurrection Day. But I dont play with eggs or bunnys.
See? It is easy to sidestep all of Satan's traps.

Originally posted by rwc109
so traditions are very hard to give up, even if they are pagan and not of Biblical origin...tell me something new
satan sure knows how to get a man to bite on his ideas
but this is a discussion area, where is yours?

Birthdays are Babylonian in origin , not Hebrew, Yeshua never had a birthday in his life , even though he was born and we are all immeasurably grateful for that.

The fact is that there is a celebration of Yeshua's death in the Holy days [holidays] called passover [et seq] but God never told anyone to celebrate his birth with a holy day

Interestingly annual passover has been corrupted too into Eucharist [it never was a weekly celebration!] and Easter [celebration of the pagan goddess Ishtar, pagan eggs ..do we really still have to do fertility rites over and instead of God's Holy days?....worst of all there are NOT 3 days and 3 nights between
bad friday and ishtar sunday..count it yourself...it makes our saviour out to have not kept the sign of Jonah ! [which of corse he did keep...posting in workshop on this]

then there is the corruption of Holy weekly sabbath - which could not be a Roman-type day as there were none when it was defined...God's days ,as Hebrew and Jewish days ,start st sunset and last till next sunset [not usually 24 hours...nothing like the Roman pagan corruption that our cultures keep because the Romans conquered so much and tried so hard to stamp out anything of Israel...quite a SIGN that they FAILED too, just as God said that they would ,even against the might of Rome.

There is much more on the apostasy of the church into paganism away from the true Bible teachings...we must PROVE everything and ditch this false pagan tradition.

Better to keep no traditions than keep pagan ones.
Why do YOU keep pagan traditions....just because MOST OTHERS DO and you never thought it through for yourself
PROVE EVERYTHING!

1Th 5:14 Now we exhort you, brethren, warn them that are unruly, comfort the feebleminded, support the weak, be patient toward all men.
1Th 5:15 See that none render evil for evil unto any man; but ever follow that which is good, both among yourselves, and to all men.
1Th 5:16 Rejoice evermore.
1Th 5:17 Pray without ceasing.
1Th 5:18 In every thing give thanks: for this is the will of God in Christ Jesus concerning you.
1Th 5:19 Quench not the Spirit.
1Th 5:20 Despise not prophesyings.
1Th 5:21 Prove all things; hold fast that which is good.

All thanks to Almighty God for His Son,Yeshua. and the spirit of TRUTH.

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Originally posted by LouisBooth

I just think you're believing what the world has told you about the holiday, that's all, and that's what I said.

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I am as free NOT to celebrate Christmas as you are TO celebrate Christmas. It is sad that you don't think it is possible to make a decision NOT to celebrate Christmas without being persuaded to do so. It is sad that you would come against my freedom in Christ when I would never consider coming against yours.

You don't know me--you just make false assumptions about me.

You don't know me--or you would know that the decision not to celebrate Christmas was made with prayer and through faith--anything not of faith is sin. It was made without any consideration for what the world thinks or without any regard to those who want to make a law out of it--some wish it to be a law NOT TO celebrate Christmas--some like you wish to make it a law TO celebrate Christmas. I am stuck between the two groups in my freedom in Christ to choose.

You don't know me--or you would know that I am not a person easily persuaded by others.

You don't know me--or you would know that your efforts to convince me that I am wrong NOT to celebrate Christmas is a waste of your time because I consider every day alike and I am fully convinced in my own mind.

RO 14:5 One man considers one day more sacred than another; another man considers every day alike. Each one should be fully convinced in his own mind. 6 He who regards one day as special, does so to the Lord. He who eats meat, eats to the Lord, for he gives thanks to God; and he who abstains, does so to the Lord and gives thanks to God. 7 For none of us lives to himself alone and none of us dies to himself alone. 8 If we live, we live to the Lord; and if we die, we die to the Lord. So, whether we live or die, we belong to the Lord.

RO 14:9 For this very reason, Christ died and returned to life so that he might be the Lord of both the dead and the living. 10 You, then, why do you judge your brother? Or why do you look down on your brother? For we will all stand before God's judgment seat. 11 It is written:

" `As surely as I live,' says the Lord,
`every knee will bow before me;
every tongue will confess to God.' "

RO 14:12 So then, each of us will give an account of himself to God.


I do not accept your judgement against me that I am wrong to not celebrate Christmas. I am free in Christ TO celebrate Christmas or TO NOT celebrate Christmas and will remain so through his grace.

"I am as free NOT to celebrate Christmas as you are TO celebrate Christmas"

*sigh* yes, that's true, I guess you don't believe in holy ground either huh? *sigh* I do think you are free in christ not to celebrate christimas, and you are also free to miss out on the blessing that comes with celbrating it You arguement is from Paul's weak and strong faith arugment. I'll definatly stand beside your descision if you're caliming you have weak faith by using that arugement.

Yup, you're free to remember that the celebration is about your saviors birth and is a time for christians all over to globally recognize it in a very significant way. You just loose out on the blessing if you don't wanna celebrate it, that's okay with me Your loss

Before I say anything else regarding Pagan holidays (in future posts at this thread) I really must ask, why are these holidays evil? True, they are not Christian, but they predate Christianity, or even Judaism in some cases. What is it that makes them satanic, evil, etc.?

nothing...Most of the holidays we celbrate are pagan holidays that have been overtaken with a christian theme. This was purposly done by the church.

This thread makes me very sad...

Frankly, I don't understand the subject.

Z

yeah, well its basically about missed blessings because people don't celebrate things

Anyone who has done away with the Holy Law (Torah) is missing incredible revelation of the Word. The teachers with the understanding of The Law will reveal more to the people than all other teachers combined. Because of the Light that is in The Law of Yahweh, Satan had no choice but to bring an all out war to destroy the Law, and get it out of the way, for once people understand this Torah, he has had it!!!. It is The Holy Law (Torah) that brings his total defeat / judgment, to pass, as it undoes his every work on this planet to deceive the world.

This is doubly so concerning the "Feast Days", which, under the direction of Satan, were done away with in favor of his Pagan UNHoly Days, such as Easter and Christmas. Every plan of Yah is laid out in His Holy Convocations, and many hidden mysteries are embedded in them. No one that has done away with The Feast Days could ever understand the plan and purpose of Yahweh on this earth.

Why is "Counterfeit Christianity" DECEIVED, and in the "Strong Delusion"??? Because they have done away with the Torah, and in that, threw Yahwehs Holy Days away as if they were some kind of heresy, and welcomed the Pagan Days as if they were righteousness. Just as prophecy foretold, "They call evil good, and good evil", the very working of the backward thinking carnal mind, and all that do so are TOTALLY CARNAL, and I do not care how religious, how pious, how much they seemingly preach "Christ", or how righteous they make themselves appear, THEY ARE DECEIVED and in being deceived, DECEIVING OTHERS!!! This is fact people, and the further anyone comes "out of her" in this "Great Exodus from Babylon", the more they shall realize the Truth of this Statement. You might think that I am being a bit blunt. Sorry, there is no nice way to say something about that which is total wickedness. We need to leave off with the "finger pointing" at each other that are in the "Exodus", but this does not include that which is in defiance of Yeshua, The Living Truth. The further we go, the more blunt I will become. Count on it!!! It is time to GET OUT; to seek Yahweh for that way out; and I cannot say this strong enough! What we are calling "Christianity", is NOT of our Messiah, but is defiantly AGAINST HIM!!! You want to love it??? Be my guest. The Overcomers of this despicableness transpiring on the earth need to come to the place where they say, "As for me an my house, I want out of it, have no oneness with it, see it destroyed, and to be numbered among those in Rev. 19

Patrick

Legalistic Bondage!!

Z

Why would you call Gods word Legalistic Bondage?
The only ones in Bondage are those who do not except
Gods word.....

Camero:

I say the following to you in nothing but brotherly/sisterly love.

It is not the Word of God that is legalistic bondage, but your mis-use and application of the Word. You are stuck in Law, thus legalistic...

Galations 5:1 It is for freedom that Christ has set us free. Stand firm then and do not let yourselves be burdened again by the yoke of slavery.

I have been watching your posts since I have been here. You clearly seem to eliminate the Word of the New Testament, the New Covenant, and the grace given to us through Christ. You also seem to forget that Christ is the propitiation for us. You live under Law, forgetting that the greatest commandment is love, and thus you keep moving along on works.

THAT is why you are in legalistic bondage.

JMHO,
Cynthia