satan's Xmas treat

[rwc109]

Greed where there is paucity,

gluttony where there is staarvation,

giving where there is no need

and ignoring need elsewhere ,

rampant commercialism, mammon

pagan rituals to a fertility god,

who enter evergrens

[xmas tree, mistletoe, holly...]

for the winter

[the fertility spirit being represented by the fairie and the lights or candles in the tree!]

and emerges in the Spring to make things grow again !!!!

astrological keeping of birth days

[read what the bible says about astrology and giving presents!],

all these make Satan rub his hands with glee as

the Xmas fiasco comes around each year

pretending that Jesus had a birthday

[he did not]

and that he was born midwinter

[there are no shepherds in fields in midwinter in the holy land, they are warm inside, as are their sheep...shepherds come out in Spring for LAMBING time]

Dear beloved, this abomination has NOTHING to do with following Christ,

quite the OPPOSITE, it is sin on sin on sin.

Nobody celebrates a birthday by God's instruction in the bible , it is a false pagan [Babylonian] tradition, not held by the jews at Jesus' time, JESUS REALLY NEVER HAD A BIRTHDAY!

 

[lucypevensie]

Well, he was indeed born though, and I for one am extrememly happy about it

 

[rwc109]

Me too

 

[Jaysun]

hmmmmm

 

[LouisBooth]

*sigh* yet another conspircy theroist. Christimas isn't a bad thing.

 

[rwc109]

If you don't believe satan is a conspirator, you have a strange view of him.
If you do not realise that the churches have fallen away, you have not read that it MUST happen:-

2Th 2:3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;

If you close your eyes to proving EVERYTHING when a fellow worshipper of God points out the apostasies and just dismiss it as 'conspiracy theory' then you will be one of the many who receive the 'mark of the beast 'through deception :-

1Th 5:21 Prove all things; hold fast that which is good

the enormous sin at Xmas IS a very bad thing dressed up falsely as a celbration of Yeshua's birth....it bears absolutely not a single relation to that birth as I have showed, is basically Babylonian and pagan in origin, isn't even at the time of year that the birth occurs and is full of greed, gluttony, selfishness,etc that our saviour would tell us is sin...and it is not in the bible , is it?

 

[LouisBooth]

"the enormous sin at Xmas IS a very bad thing dressed up falsely as a celbration of Yeshua's birth....it bears absolutely not a single relation to that birth as I have showed, "

Dude..you're full of it!! hahaha..sorry, every year I celibrate it and a very good friend of mine who is not 13 totally understands what christimas is about. I think Jesus wouldn't agree with the commericalization of christimas, but he sure would agree with the holiday itself.

 

[rwc109]

so traditions are very hard to give up, even if they are pagan and not of Biblical origin...tell me something new
satan sure knows how to get a man to bite on his ideas
but this is a discussion area, where is yours?

Birthdays are Babylonian in origin , not Hebrew, Yeshua never had a birthday in his life , even though he was born and we are all immeasurably grateful for that.

The fact is that there is a celebration of Yeshua's death in the Holy days [holidays] called passover [et seq] but God never told anyone to celebrate his birth with a holy day

Interestingly annual passover has been corrupted too into Eucharist [it never was a weekly celebration!] and Easter [celebration of the pagan goddess Ishtar, pagan eggs ..do we really still have to do fertility rites over and instead of God's Holy days?....worst of all there are NOT 3 days and 3 nights between
bad friday and ishtar sunday..count it yourself...it makes our saviour out to have not kept the sign of Jonah ! [which of corse he did keep...posting in workshop on this]

then there is the corruption of Holy weekly sabbath - which could not be a Roman-type day as there were none when it was defined...God's days ,as Hebrew and Jewish days ,start st sunset and last till next sunset [not usually 24 hours...nothing like the Roman pagan corruption that our cultures keep because the Romans conquered so much and tried so hard to stamp out anything of Israel...quite a SIGN that they FAILED too, just as God said that they would ,even against the might of Rome.

There is much more on the apostasy of the church into paganism away from the true Bible teachings...we must PROVE everything and ditch this false pagan tradition.

Better to keep no traditions than keep pagan ones.
Why do YOU keep pagan traditions....just because MOST OTHERS DO and you never thought it through for yourself
PROVE EVERYTHING!

1Th 5:14 Now we exhort you, brethren, warn them that are unruly, comfort the feebleminded, support the weak, be patient toward all men.
1Th 5:15 See that none render evil for evil unto any man; but ever follow that which is good, both among yourselves, and to all men.
1Th 5:16 Rejoice evermore.
1Th 5:17 Pray without ceasing.
1Th 5:18 In every thing give thanks: for this is the will of God in Christ Jesus concerning you.
1Th 5:19 Quench not the Spirit.
1Th 5:20 Despise not prophesyings.
1Th 5:21 Prove all things; hold fast that which is good.

All thanks to Almighty God for His Son,Yeshua. and the spirit of TRUTH.

 

[dissenter]

This is not something that people will take lightly. Many of the holidays that are celebrated in Christendom are no longer accurate for the day and many have used some of the pagan symbols. The reason that this is done is to detract from the pagan meanings of the days.

-People don't think about the pagan celebration that was on December 25th because Chrstendom has overtaken this day with the celebration of Christ's birth.
-Easter may not be on the right day anymore, although I think it is correctly assigned in by the Jewish celebration of Passover, but that my under-educated 2 cents, and the symbol of the egg has been taken to symbolize life and the resuraction of Jesus.

The comment about birthdays in an interesting interpretation. I think that, with a little more study, you will find that Babalon's celebrations were based on the New Moon and the other astronomical/astrological events. A birthday, or any annual celebration, is based on a date, not on a solar/lunar event. The celebration of those events is associated with worship of the sun and moon. This is why those times are not to be celebrated.

On to the Sabath. The Sabath is a day that was set asside for Judaism. The early church, disciples and apostles, met on the day after the Sabath specificaly to show a differance in what they belived. The Eucharist, or communion service, is not a warping of the Passover, but a new celebration that was commisinoed by Christ himself. "Do this as often as you meet in rememberance of me." I'm not sure there's any debate there.

I understand where you're perspecive comes from , but recommend that you look more to the new testement with an understanding that Christ's death and resurection represents a New Covanent between God and men. We are no longer under the old law. This is pointed out time and time again in the New Testement with doscussions on circumcision, eating non-kosher food and the like. I'd be interested to see what your perspecitve is after taking a much closer look at the New Testement without keeping an Old Testament perspective. Rememberm we are not under the Old Testement covanant any more.

 

[zamar]

Roger,
Instead of wasting your breath expounding the evils of the church, why don't you go door to door in your town and tell people about the Love of God through Yesh'ua?

Z

 

[rwc109]

Luk 10:7 .................Go not from house to house.

 

[dissenter]

That was uncalled for. If you have something to say or an opinion, that's fine, but don't just yell at the guy. Your responses should always be in love and patience. Please be more careful in the future. Roger has every right to express his opinion here. Respond to his post, don't just knock him for his ideas.

 

[camaro540]

i must agree with everything that rwc109
has said.

As I have quoted in another thread:

Rev 18:4
And I heard another voice from heaven, saying, Come
out of her, my people , that ye be not partakers of her sins, and
that ye receive not of her plagues .

Do you really all think that our Father the Creator takes these
things lightly? If you do, then you better think again.....
It shouldn't take long when you study scripture to find that our
Father does not put up with false worship.

He is calling right now to His people to come out of the lies, and
false worship. Do you want to be part of His Kingdom? The choice
is yours. Then end draws very near........

Patrick

 

[zamar]

rwc109

Luke 10:5

Your scripture is taken out of context.

Camero 540, Jesus said "Go into the world and preach the gospel. You cannot hide behind your selected scripture and not do what we have all been called to do. We have all been give the Ministry of reconcilation.

What is all of the "false worship " nonsense?

Z

 

[camaro540]

"false worship " nonsense?

Your not being serious are you?

Where is it writen that we as a people of the Almighty
are to have a christmas rememberence?

We are to celebrate passover, not christmas.

A clear statement of the Messiah Himself in Mark 7:7, regarding
True Worship

"In vain do they worship Me, teaching for doctrines the
commandments of men."

Mar 7:7
Howbeit in vain do they worship me, teaching [for]doctrines the commandments of men.

Mar 7:8
For laying aside the commandment of God, ye hold the
tradition of men, [as] the washing of pots and cups: and many
other such like things ye do.

Mar 7:9
And he said unto them, Full well ye reject the
commandment of God, that ye may keep your own tradition.

And He (Yeshua) continues on if you care to read it for yourself.

Again I say, come out of your false traditions, and follow the
commandments of the Almighty Creator Himself.

Patrick

 

[camaro540]

Oh yea.....

I am in the world, giving the truth where it will be excepted.
I be here, sharing with you and others, the truth of our Father,
and praying that eye's be opened......

Patrick

 

[dissenter]

Roger, that was taken way out of context. That verse is talking about a commision from Jesus to the diciples. Do not go from house to house refers to the place where the disciples were to rest. "And if the son of peace be there, your peace shall rest upon it" He is saying that once a place is found to stay there and not keep moving around. This has nothing to do with door to door evangelism.

 

[dissenter]

It's understood that God will not deal with false worship, but Christmas is not worship. It's a day that we've set aside to celebrate the coming of Christ. We celebrate that all the time, but it's a special day where we really focus on that. We focus on his death on Good Friday and focus on his resurection on Easter. These are things that, as christians, should be important to us. Christians have taken pagan holidays and have altered these to be Christian celebrations, sucessfully detracting from false teaching. I can't comdem that. It's a very nobel cause.

 

[rwc109]

Dear dissenter

God's holy days all start at sunset, it is not changeable, it is holy, separated, distinct, perpetual

God never ordained any Holy day for the celebration of Christ's birth.

Easter is not at the right time anymore as it is kept on a pagan Roman day and does not show the sign of Jonah either

Jesus celebrated the passover [feast of unleavened bread on the correct day , but the Jewish hierarchy already was wrong by that time and celebrated it a day later, thus it is incorrectly assigned even by the Jewish celebration of Passover, the Bible specifies the exact timings and dates

and the symbol of the egg may have been taken to symbolize life and the resuraction of Jesus but its origin is not that, it is in fertility rites, and the Bible contains no such association with passover.

Babylon's celebrations were indeed based on the New Moons and the other astronomical/astrological events.
A birthday was and is important to astrologers because the planetary positions at date of birth were/are supposed to determine one's life.
The celebration of astrological events is associated with worship of the sun and moon and planets and stars. This is why those times are not to be celebrated.

On to the Sabbath. The Sabath is a day that was set by God as a sign between Him and His people.

I do not know why you say " The early church, disciples and apostles, met on the day after the Sabath specificaly to show a differance in what they belived."
[many of the early church and the apostles were Jews as Yeshua was and kept sabbaths]
The Eucharist, or communion service, is to me a warping of the Passover because Yeshua was celebrating passover[feast of unleavened bread] that pointed forward to his death in the so-called last supper.
Yeshua's instructions about only celebrating passover when we are worthy are detailed in 1 Cor 11 24-30 and do not correspond to what you said as I read them
passover NEVER was or will be weekly, it always was and will be annual.
I fully realise that Christ's death and resurection represents the bringing in of the New Covanent between God and Israel
and that multitudinous others are grafted in through belief in and on Yeshua.
We are no longer condemned to death under the old law if we accept the terms of the new covenant.
I agree that this is pointed out time and time again in the New Testement with discussions on circumcision, eating non-kosher food and the like.
I am fully aware that the old covenant only served to bring in the new through Yeshua and has now waxed old [and never was much use to man other than through Yeshua fulfilling it.]
But there is a great deal more in the OT than just the old covenant and EVERY jot has to be fulfilled....it hasn't been yet!
We certainly can't write off the OT just because we are under the new covenant! [Jer 31:31-34 !]
Don't forget that the chosen(elect) are from 12 of the 14 tribes of ISRAEL, these are NOT grafted in! [Rev 7:4-10]

Here is a scripture for you to ponder, i think you might just find it enlightening:-

Isa 56:2 Blessed is the man that doeth this, and the son of man that layeth hold on it; that keepeth the sabbath from polluting it, and keepeth his hand from doing any evil.

Isa 56:3 Neither let the son of the stranger, that hath joined himself to the LORD, speak, saying, The LORD hath utterly separated me from his people: neither let the eunuch say, Behold, I am a dry tree.

Isa 56:4 For thus saith the LORD unto the eunuchs that keep my sabbaths, and choose the things that please me, and take hold of my covenant;

Isa 56:5 Even unto them will I give in mine house and within my walls a place and a name better than of sons and of daughters: I will give them an everlasting name, that shall not be cut off.

Isa 56:6 Also the sons of the stranger, that join themselves to the LORD, to serve him, and to love the name of the LORD, to be his servants, every one that keepeth the sabbath from polluting it, and taketh hold of my covenant;

Isa 56:7 Even them will I bring to my holy mountain, and make them joyful in my house of prayer: their burnt offerings and their sacrifices shall be accepted upon mine altar; for mine house shall be called an house of prayer for all people.

Isa 56:8 The Lord GOD, which gathereth the outcasts of Israel saith, Yet will I gather others to him, beside those that are gathered unto him.

 

[zamar]

Roger,

Which covenant are you living under?

Z