flesh99 said:
Outside of marriage all sex is sin, and all sex related sin is equal. I have answered your question, I answered it in the post above. There is a very simple method of determining if what we are talking about is sin: Does the Bible say it is sin? Yes. Are there specific words on it in the New Testament? Yes. The truth of God's word does not change as society changes, no matter what society accepts; what God accepts does not change. His truth is everlasting and this truth is for all generations. God is not concerned with Gallup poll opinion, in fact even if the whole human race accepted something sinful, God would not change his mind on the matter. God's mind is not subject to the whims of the human race, and scripture is valid from one generation to the next regardless of what each generation accepts and what it does not.
This is still only a politicians answer. If it were as you say then we would not be constantly debating the question of homosexuality. We would be debating sexuality, without internal discrimination as to hetero-, or homo-.
When you shuffle the question sideways, and without having answered, into the question of marriage: then you must be pursued there.
You seem to answer the question I ask: by saying that homosexuals cannot marry, therefore thier sexual consumation, remaining outside marriage, must be sinful.
So we then must ask, can homosexuals marry: and cleave to God, and follow Jesus, and be no more sin burdened than the rest of us. You have just kicked the question into long grass, by shuffling it into a question of marriage, that was not being raised. And you still have given no answers.
So, can you accept the marriage of homosexuals? For that is now the ground on which you award peculiar sin to homosexuals. Withhold marriage, and you leave the homosexual in sin, by your light. Extend marriage, and homosexual consumation is no more sin, by your light.
So the question becomes why you do, or do not extend marriage to homosexuals.
What you say on what the Bible says, and how you understand the unchanging, and the degree to which you spurn the views of humanity: are all alien to me; to where it is hard for me not to become impatient, and simply say that you are wrong.
I think that in practical and Christian terms you are wrong: autistically and anachronistically so; where such perspective places the human project, I believe, in great peril.
However, that is my pragmatism and my prejudice, my Christian politics if you like. And I understand that God is such that your path must also have purpose, even if I cannot immediately see that purpose: where, and just for me as an earth bound ego, I see only limited and marginal use for literal and fundamental approach to the truth the Bible contains ans serves.
This difference we have, that I here skate over, is our most important, and one I would like to return to: but right now, I'm too tired, its Brit 1am; I would not do anyhting justice, if i were to write further.
Thank's for keeping coming back on this: it helps me forward; I find it a titanic and all consuming matter, to articulate my faith through what is currently happening in the human project. It constantly threatens to just crush me, and bury my faith: but, every morning, there is just enough of a tickle; to get the faith show on the road, for another day.
