Why we are not supposed to keep the Sabbath

Dan1988 · Monday at 5:01 AM

Studyman said:
Well there you go then. You don't need Jesus or His Warnings or Peter's teaching, as you are already there, based on your own words. JW's also teach the same about themselves. Calvinists too. And Catholics, and Mormons and SDA. All claiming they live by the one true gospel and are members of the only true church as they compete against one another for contributing members.

For me, I still need Jesus and I still need His Instruction and His warnings, and the Teaching HE gave me through His Prophets and Apostles, because I am a corruptible human, surrounded by an evil world that "professes to know God" but are disobedient to Him.

"Take heed that no man deceive you. For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many."

"For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect."

It might be prudent to remind you that the "Very Elect" takes Heed of the "many" who call Jesus Lord, Lord, that they are not deceived. You promoted this to SB. "We can only obey after we are born again and receive the Holy Spirit, and it is the Holy Spirit who leads us and enables us to obey."

Peter, in my understanding, wasn't deceived when the Spirit of Christ had him write down the Words I posted, that you refused to even to acknowledge.

You seem to have your reward. Good for you. I'm still seeking it.

That's right I don't need Jesus or His warnings, because I already have Him. I would only need Him if I didn't already have Him. I don't need Peters teachings, because I already know what He taught.

I'm very much aware of the fact that the majority o professing Christians reject the awful truth of the gospel. And I already know they are in for a horrible shock on judgement day.

I'm not sure what you mean by saying "I still need Jesus and His instructions and warnings". I don't know of anyone who claimed we no longer need Him. Salvation is not a one time deal and then we run off to live your best lives now.

How on earth did you arrive at the conclusion that "If" means "it is"??? your theology is riddled with inconsistencies. The Lord said "if it were possible" meaning that it's not possible but you twist it to mean that it's not only possible but probable and that is twisting Gods Word upside down.

You reckon, your seeking, but God's Word tells us >>> Romans 3:10-12 "As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one: There is none that understandeth, there is none that seeketh after God. They are all gone out of the way, they are together become unprofitable; there is none that doeth good, no, not one".

As you can see, Gods Word states there are none who seek, but you reckon that's not right because you're actively seeking.

Jerry N. · Monday at 5:58 AM

jonojim1337 said:
There is only one prerequisite on how we enter the rest. If you enter the rest, you also cease from the works

You keep conflating works of the Law and physical and economic labor. You are also conflating resting in God’s salvation and resting from labor. This was pointed out before. You are also missing the idea in Exodus that the Israelites were freed from the yoke of slavery in Egypt. Resting from labor is a sign of that freedom. If you are a slave to your employer and forced to work on Saturday, or if you are a slave to debt (bonded laborer), you may have to work on Saturday, but you are not free.

JulieB67 · Monday at 9:00 AM

Hentenza said:
What is that rest? The same one talked about at the beginning of the chapter which is the believer’s rest not the sabbath rest.

True

Hentenza said:
Remember that when the Bible was written there were no chapters or verse numbers so you have to read the reason for the conclusion in what is now chapter 4 by following the thread from chapter 3.

Exactly

Studyman · Wednesday at 4:05 AM

Dan1988 said:
That's right I don't need Jesus or His warnings, because I already have Him. I would only need Him if I didn't already have Him. I don't need Peters teachings, because I already know what He taught.

I was simply pointing out that Peter and Jesus' teaches that God gives His Spirit to those who obey Him. You know this you say, but still teach a different gospel.

I think Jesus warned His People not to do such things.

Dan1988 said:
I'm very much aware of the fact that the majority o professing Christians reject the awful truth of the gospel. And I already know they are in for a horrible shock on judgement day.

This would be those who called Jesus Lord, Lord, and were "very much aware" of what Jesus and Peter taught, but lived by another gospel, Yes?

Dan1988 said:
I'm not sure what you mean by saying "I still need Jesus and His instructions and warnings". I don't know of anyone who claimed we no longer need Him. Salvation is not a one time deal and then we run off to live your best lives now.

Here, let me show you the words of someone who claims they no longer need Him. "That's right I don't need Jesus or His warnings, because I already have Him."

Dan1988 said:
How on earth did you arrive at the conclusion that "If" means "it is"??? your theology is riddled with inconsistencies.

Well it's for sure someone's "theology is riddled with inconsistencies".

Dan1988 said:
The Lord said "if it were possible" meaning that it's not possible but you twist it to mean that it's not only possible but probable and that is twisting Gods Word upside down.

There are lots of folks who call Jesus Lord, Lord, who claim to be the very elect. Paul warned that the Law and Prophets was written specifically for our admonition, the "our" here being those who "by patient continuance in well doing seek for glory and honour and immortality". (Rom. 2:7)

He specifically pointed out who needs to take heed.

Wherefore let him that "thinketh he standeth" take heed lest he fall. (1 Cor. 10:1-12)

I don't believe Paul was "twisting Gods Word upside down" here, any more than I believe Peter was lying to us when HE told us who God gives His Holy Spirit to.

But clearly there are many "who come in Christ's Name" that imply in their theology that they did.

Dan1988 said:
You reckon, your seeking, but God's Word tells us >>> Romans 3:10-12 "As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one: There is none that understandeth, there is none that seeketh after God. They are all gone out of the way, they are together become unprofitable; there is none that doeth good, no, not one".

Again, you are promoting a religious philosophy taught to you by this world's religious system. If you were to actually read Paul's Words, and David's words that Paul quoted, you would find out who Paul and David were speaking to in this description.

If you were "Seeking the Righteousness of God", as the Jesus "of the bible" teaches, you would go to Psalms 5 and 14, and you would read Rom. 3 and see that Paul and David are speaking to those men who had the Oracles of God, but didn't believe them. Men that falsely accused Paul and the Body of Christ, "whose damnation is just". Men who "professed to know God, but were wicked, bloody and deceitful men". Men who God said, "who eat up my people as they eat bread", and "have shamed the counsel of the poor because the LORD is his refuge."

God can not be found in these people, rather, "God is in the generation of the righteous."

Your teaching that there isn't any difference between the children of the devil, and the Body of Christ is astounding, and yet this is a popular religious philosophy promoted by this world's religious system, "who calls Jesus Lord, Lord".

Paul asks the question, "What then? are we better than they?"

In other words, can I live by the same disobedience to God, engage in the same false accusations of others like the Pharisees, and not be judged the same by God? He answered, "No, in no wise: for we have "before proved" both Jews and Gentiles, that they are all under sin;"

And where did Paul "already Prove" this?

Rom. 2: 9 Tribulation and anguish, upon "every" soul of man that doeth evil, of the Jew first, and also of the Gentile;

10 But glory, honour, and peace, to "every man" that worketh good, to the Jew first, and also to the Gentile:

11 For there is no respect of persons with God.

Paul didn't say, "We are all under sin". You say Paul and the Body of Christ are still under sin, but Paul didn't.

Dan1988 said:
As you can see, Gods Word states there are none who seek, but you reckon that's not right because you're actively seeking.

The preaching that God's Word teaches that Paul and the Body of Christ's "throat is an open sepulchre; with their tongues they have used deceit; the poison of asps is under their lips: Whose mouth is full of cursing and bitterness: Their feet are swift to shed blood: Destruction and misery are in their ways: And the way of peace have they not known: There is no fear of God before their eyes" is an evil and wicked teaching. It is not true according to Paul's own words, David never promoting such wickedness, and the entire Bible exposes such a teaching as from below and not above.

Men don't "Seek God", as you don't by your own admission and neither did the Pharisees, for the same reason. Both have been convinced by "other voices" that they are all set, already heirs to the Kingdom of God, already the very elect, that "they shall surely not die". But the Jesus "of the Bible" teaches "But he that shall endure unto the end, the same "shall be saved"."

Heb. 11: 6 But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder "of them that diligently seek him".

So yes, I diligently Seek Him every day.

ARBITER01 · Wednesday at 9:17 AM

"Old and new agree not." William Tyndale

There's a whole heap of material from Tyndale preaching against the law of moses, and I'm half tempted to modernize it and use it in my bible I'm making.

Jerry N. · Wednesday at 9:26 AM

ARBITER01 said:
"Old and new agree not." William Tyndale

There's a whole heap of material from Tyndale preaching against the law of moses, and I'm half tempted to modernize it and use it in my bible I'm making.

Sounds like a very interesting project.

Studyman · Wednesday at 9:28 AM

ARBITER01 said:
"Old and new agree not." William Tyndale

There's a whole heap of material from Tyndale preaching against the law of moses, and I'm half tempted to modernize it and use it in my bible I'm making.

Tyndale certainly isn't the first voice "who professed to know God", that teaches against God's Laws. There was a voice that existed in the garden with Eve, who professed to know God, that preached against God's Laws. The preachers of this world in Noah's Time, preached against God's Laws. Sodom, preached against God's Laws. Egypt preached against God's Laws. The rebellious children of Israel preached against God's Laws. The wicked Kings of Israel preached against God's Laws. The Priests of to Temple in Jeremiah's time and Malachi's time, preached against God's Laws. The mainstream preachers of John the Baptist, and his father, Zacharias, preached against God's Laws. And Jesus Himself said that in the Judgment, "Many" who call Him Lord, Lord, preach against God's Laws.

But it seems prudent to point out that the Church of God through out the entire Bible, those whose "refuge is the Lord", like David and Paul and the First Church of God under HIS New High Priest, and the Messiah Himself, the Lord's Christ Jesus, didn't preach against God's Laws.

ARBITER01 · Wednesday at 9:45 AM

Jerry N. said:
Sounds like a very interesting project.

It very much is, and a lot of work also.

I've been stuck in the book of Hebrews for the last 4 months, hence why subjects like this are easily seen through. A good portion of that book specifically tells the Hebrew believers to not follow the law of Moses but to follow Jesus.

ARBITER01 · Wednesday at 10:21 AM

Studyman said:
Tyndale certainly isn't the first voice "who professed to know God", that teaches against God's Laws. There was a voice that existed in the garden with Eve, who professed to know God, that preached against God's Laws. The preachers of this world in Noah's Time, preached against God's Laws. Sodom, preached against God's Laws. Egypt preached against God's Laws. The rebellious children of Israel preached against God's Laws. The wicked Kings of Israel preached against God's Laws. The Priests of to Temple in Jeremiah's time and Malachi's time, preached against God's Laws. The mainstream preachers of John the Baptist, and his father, Zacharias, preached against God's Laws. And Jesus Himself said that in the Judgment, "Many" who call Him Lord, Lord, preach against God's Laws.

But it seems prudent to point out that the Church of God through out the entire Bible, those whose "refuge is the Lord", like David and Paul and the First Church of God under HIS New High Priest, and the Messiah Himself, the Lord's Christ Jesus, didn't preach against God's Laws.

You're funny.

Considering all the writings of the Reformers, up to and including the King James translators, none of them advocated adhering to the law of Moses.

All these people, Tyndale, Rogers, Cromwell, Whittingham, Calvin, the Waldensian believers from the Piedmont Alps (who were brutally murdered for having the scriptures in their language), Wycliffe, and many others that I don't know that provided support, not a single one of them advocated following moses over Jesus,.... like you do.

They did more for the body of Christ and Jesus than you ever will, or I should say, ever have.

Studyman · Wednesday at 2:04 PM

ARBITER01 said:
You're funny.

Considering all the writings of the Reformers, up to and including the King James translators, none of them advocated adhering to the law of Moses.

But God advocated for it, in the Holy Scriptures HE inspired. , and Jesus said to "Live by" Every Word of God and keep His Commandments. And Paul teaches men to "Yield themselves" servants to obey God. He said:

Rom. 2: 13 (For not "the hearers" of the law are just before God, but the "doers" of the law shall be justified. Will you argue here that he isn't talking about God's Law here?

So I agree that this world's religions have never advocated to obey God's Laws. But the Holy Scriptures do, even in the face of all those "other voices" that translated and created religious sects and businesses, God's instruction to obey Him has remained.

That is a fascinating Biblical Truth.

ARBITER01 said:
All these people, Tyndale, Rogers, Cromwell, Whittingham, Calvin, the Waldensian believers from the Piedmont Alps (who were brutally murdered for having the scriptures in their language), Wycliffe, and many others that I don't know that provided support, not a single one of them advocated following moses over Jesus,.... like you do.

First of all, it is undeniable Biblical Truth that Moses never created even ONE Law. So the teaching that Jesus "Followed moses", or that David, Shadrack, Daniel, Zacharias, Simeon and Anna, "followed moses", which is what you imply, is foolishness. Moses gave people God's LAW. And as anyone seeking the Kingdom of God, as the Jesus "of the Bible" the instructs will find, if they "SEEK" what Jesus said to SEEK, that it never mattered who gave God's Laws, whether is was from His Own mouth to Adam, or the mouth of a husband to Eve, or a Prophet sent by God, or even His Own Son, Sent by God, there were and will always be voices, "who professed to know God", that preach against "yielding oneself" a servant to obey God's Laws in the flesh of men. And Jesus and His Father, at least according to the eyewitness accounts written in Scripture, are ONE in mind and thought. Jesus certainly didn't "Follow His Own Will" over the Will of His Father.

ARBITER01 said:
They did more for the body of Christ and Jesus than you ever will, or I should say, ever have.

Well, I would argue they did more for the merchants of this earth, and the religious system of this world. Religion is certainly big money. But not "To them who by patient continuance in well doing seek for glory and honour and immortality," they are called names and ridiculed by this world's religions.

And of a truth, there is a reward, as Jesus teaches, for this followers and promoters of this world's religions.

But for me, I seek a new city wherein dwells righteousness, as defined by the God and Father of all, not the religious men of this world.

ARBITER01 · Wednesday at 2:24 PM

Studyman said:
But God advocated for it, in the Holy Scriptures HE inspired. , and Jesus said to "Live by" Every Word of God and keep His Commandments. And Paul teaches men to "Yield themselves" servants to obey God. He said:

Rom. 2: 13 (For not "the hearers" of the law are just before God, but the "doers" of the law shall be justified. Will you argue here that he isn't talking about God's Law here?

So I agree that this world's religions have never advocated to obey God's Laws. But the Holy Scriptures do, even in the face of all those "other voices" that translated and created religious sects and businesses, God's instruction to obey Him has remained.

That is a fascinating Biblical Truth.

First of all, it is undeniable Biblical Truth that Moses never created even ONE Law. So the teaching that Jesus "Followed moses", or that David, Shadrack, Daniel, Zacharias, Simeon and Anna, "followed moses", which is what you imply, is foolishness. Moses gave people God's LAW. And as anyone seeking the Kingdom of God, as the Jesus "of the Bible" the instructs will find, if they "SEEK" what Jesus said to SEEK, that it never mattered who gave God's Laws, whether is was from His Own mouth to Adam, or the mouth of a husband to Eve, or a Prophet sent by God, or even His Own Son, Sent by God, there were and will always be voices, "who professed to know God", that preach against "yielding oneself" a servant to obey God's Laws in the flesh of men. And Jesus and His Father, at least according to the eyewitness accounts written in Scripture, are ONE in mind and thought. Jesus certainly didn't "Follow His Own Will" over the Will of His Father.

Well, I would argue they did more for the merchants of this earth, and the religious system of this world. Religion is certainly big money. But not "To them who by patient continuance in well doing seek for glory and honour and immortality," they are called names and ridiculed by this world's religions.

And of a truth, there is a reward, as Jesus teaches, for this followers and promoters of this world's religions.

You're whole spill means nothing to me,....

Gal 5:17 For the flesh lusteth against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh; for these are contrary the one to the other; that ye may not do the things that ye would.
Gal 5:18 But if ye are led by the Spirit, ye are not under the law.

You're just wasting your time arguing.

Studyman said:
But for me, I seek a new city wherein dwells righteousness, as defined by the God and Father of all, not the religious men of this world.

Well I can check with GOD about that.

Dan1988 · 2025-12-11T04:17:11-0600

Studyman said:
I was simply pointing out that Peter and Jesus' teaches that God gives His Spirit to those who obey Him. You know this you say, but still teach a different gospel.

I think Jesus warned His People not to do such things.

This would be those who called Jesus Lord, Lord, and were "very much aware" of what Jesus and Peter taught, but lived by another gospel, Yes?

Here, let me show you the words of someone who claims they no longer need Him. "That's right I don't need Jesus or His warnings, because I already have Him."

Well it's for sure someone's "theology is riddled with inconsistencies".

There are lots of folks who call Jesus Lord, Lord, who claim to be the very elect. Paul warned that the Law and Prophets was written specifically for our admonition, the "our" here being those who "by patient continuance in well doing seek for glory and honour and immortality". (Rom. 2:7)

He specifically pointed out who needs to take heed.

Wherefore let him that "thinketh he standeth" take heed lest he fall. (1 Cor. 10:1-12)

I don't believe Paul was "twisting Gods Word upside down" here, any more than I believe Peter was lying to us when HE told us who God gives His Holy Spirit to.

But clearly there are many "who come in Christ's Name" that imply in their theology that they did.

Again, you are promoting a religious philosophy taught to you by this world's religious system. If you were to actually read Paul's Words, and David's words that Paul quoted, you would find out who Paul and David were speaking to in this description.

If you were "Seeking the Righteousness of God", as the Jesus "of the bible" teaches, you would go to Psalms 5 and 14, and you would read Rom. 3 and see that Paul and David are speaking to those men who had the Oracles of God, but didn't believe them. Men that falsely accused Paul and the Body of Christ, "whose damnation is just". Men who "professed to know God, but were wicked, bloody and deceitful men". Men who God said, "who eat up my people as they eat bread", and "have shamed the counsel of the poor because the LORD is his refuge."

God can not be found in these people, rather, "God is in the generation of the righteous."

Your teaching that there isn't any difference between the children of the devil, and the Body of Christ is astounding, and yet this is a popular religious philosophy promoted by this world's religious system, "who calls Jesus Lord, Lord".

Paul asks the question, "What then? are we better than they?"

In other words, can I live by the same disobedience to God, engage in the same false accusations of others like the Pharisees, and not be judged the same by God? He answered, "No, in no wise: for we have "before proved" both Jews and Gentiles, that they are all under sin;"

And where did Paul "already Prove" this?

Rom. 2: 9 Tribulation and anguish, upon "every" soul of man that doeth evil, of the Jew first, and also of the Gentile;

10 But glory, honour, and peace, to "every man" that worketh good, to the Jew first, and also to the Gentile:

11 For there is no respect of persons with God.

Paul didn't say, "We are all under sin". You say Paul and the Body of Christ are still under sin, but Paul didn't.

The preaching that God's Word teaches that Paul and the Body of Christ's "throat is an open sepulchre; with their tongues they have used deceit; the poison of asps is under their lips: Whose mouth is full of cursing and bitterness: Their feet are swift to shed blood: Destruction and misery are in their ways: And the way of peace have they not known: There is no fear of God before their eyes" is an evil and wicked teaching. It is not true according to Paul's own words, David never promoting such wickedness, and the entire Bible exposes such a teaching as from below and not above.

Men don't "Seek God", as you don't by your own admission and neither did the Pharisees, for the same reason. Both have been convinced by "other voices" that they are all set, already heirs to the Kingdom of God, already the very elect, that "they shall surely not die". But the Jesus "of the Bible" teaches "But he that shall endure unto the end, the same "shall be saved"."

Heb. 11: 6 But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder "of them that diligently seek him".

So yes, I diligently Seek Him every day.

I don't know what your motive is for rejecting what God has said, but I can only imagine it's because you don't like the awful truth so you feel the need to reject and twist it and make it say something different.

God said, "there are none who seek after Him", but you make God a li9ar when you claim that you seek after Him everyday. I told you that I'm not seeking Him because He has already found me.

The reason that nobody seeks after God is simple, ,I can tell you why from first hand experience. I was born exactly the same as everyone else, we are all born dead in sin, we are all born hating God, we are all born into slavery to Satan, He is everyone's Master, He keeps a firm grip on everyone so nobody can escape Him, no matter how hard they try.

How do you suppose a spiritually dead and blind God hater, who is enslaved by Satan can be seeking after God???. You are suggesting the impossible here. First of all you would need to resurrect yourself from the dead and then create a new nature for yourself, then you would need to give yourself a new spirit.

None of your claims are supported by any scripture, they are all based on your private opinion.

Studyman · 2025-12-11T08:44:01-0600

Dan1988 said:
I don't know what your motive is for rejecting what God has said, but I can only imagine it's because you don't like the awful truth so you feel the need to reject and twist it and make it say something different.

I posted Peter's Words, inspired by the Spirit of the Christ for your review and discussion as to who God gives His Holy Spirit to. You completely rejected his words as unworthy of even your acknowledgement, much less discussion. You accuse me of rejecting God's Word, when it is you who can not bring yourself to even acknowledge much of what HE says.

You are free to do this, but it is hypocritical to reject what Peter says, then accuse me of rejecting what Peter says.

Dan1988 said:
God said, "there are none who seek after Him", but you make God a li9ar when you claim that you seek after Him everyday. I told you that I'm not seeking Him because He has already found me.

I have your adopted religious opinion, and I have the Inspired Word of God that became flesh. I mean no offence, but I must trust God's Word of your adopted religious opinion.

Heb. 11: 6 But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder "of them" that diligently seek him.

Matt. 6: 33 But seek ye first the kingdom of God, and his righteousness; and (Then) all these things shall be added unto you.

2 Chron. 7: 14 If my people, which are called by my name, shall humble themselves, and pray, "and seek my face", and turn from their wicked ways; then will I hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin, and will heal their land.

Duet. 4: 28 And there ye shall serve gods, the work of men's hands, wood and stone, which neither see, nor hear, nor eat, nor smell. 29 But if from thence thou shalt seek the LORD thy God, thou shalt find him, "if thou seek him" with all thy heart and with all thy soul.

Ps. 119: 10 With my whole heart "have I sought thee": O let me not wander from thy commandments. 11 Thy word have I hid in mine heart, that I might not sin against thee.

2 Chron. 17: 3 And the LORD was with Jehoshaphat, "because" he walked in the first ways of his father David, and sought not unto Baalim; 4 But sought to the LORD God of his father, and walked in his commandments, and "not after the doings of Israel".

2 Chron. 26: 4 And he did that which was right in the sight of the LORD, according to all that his father Amaziah did. 5 And he sought God in the days of Zechariah, who had understanding in the visions of God: and as long as he sought the LORD, God made him to prosper.

Ps. 34: 3 O magnify the LORD with me, and let us exalt his name together. 4 "I sought the LORD", and he heard me, and delivered me from all my fears.

1 Chron. 16: 10 Glory ye in his holy name: let the heart of them rejoice that seek the LORD. 11 "Seek the LORD and his strength", seek his face continually. 12 Remember his marvellous works that he hath done, his wonders, and the judgments of his mouth;

2 Chron. 15: 11 And they offered unto the LORD the same time, of the spoil which they had brought, seven hundred oxen and seven thousand sheep. 12 And they entered into a covenant "to seek the LORD God" of their fathers with all their heart and with all their soul;

So while it is true that there are "Many" who profess to know God, who do not SEEK Him as you boast. Paul and David let's us know who these people are. Anytime you want to hear what God actually says concerning this topic, you are free to trust the Holy Scriptures that Paul said were trustworthy "for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works."

The Jesus "of the Bible" told me to "Seek God's Righteousness", why you would accuse those who believe Him of "making God a Liar", is astonishing to me, given what is actually written in His Inspired Word.

Dan1988 said:
The reason that nobody seeks after God is simple, ,I can tell you why from first hand experience.

Actually, I have no doubt you believe your adopted religious philosophy. But God already told me by there are men who refuse to "Seek God".

Psalms 10: 3 For the wicked boasteth of his heart's desire, and blesseth the covetous, whom the LORD abhorreth.

4 The wicked, through the pride of his countenance, "will not seek after God": God is not in all his thoughts.

5 His ways are always grievous; thy judgments are far above out of his sight: as for all his enemies, he puffeth at them.

6 He hath said in his heart, I shall not be moved: "for I shall never be in adversity".

7 His mouth "is full of cursing and deceit and fraud": under his tongue is mischief and vanity.

"but you make God a li9ar when you claim that you seek after Him everyday".

All these Inspired Words of God written for your admonition, and mine. And yet, will you believe them?

ARBITER01 · 2025-12-11T08:47:01-0600

Dan1988 said:
I don't know what your motive is for rejecting what God has said, but I can only imagine it's because you don't like the awful truth so you feel the need to reject and twist it and make it say something different.

God said, "there are none who seek after Him", but you make God a li9ar when you claim that you seek after Him everyday. I told you that I'm not seeking Him because He has already found me.

The reason that nobody seeks after God is simple, ,I can tell you why from first hand experience. I was born exactly the same as everyone else, we are all born dead in sin, we are all born hating God, we are all born into slavery to Satan, He is everyone's Master, He keeps a firm grip on everyone so nobody can escape Him, no matter how hard they try.

How do you suppose a spiritually dead and blind God hater, who is enslaved by Satan can be seeking after God???. You are suggesting the impossible here. First of all you would need to resurrect yourself from the dead and then create a new nature for yourself, then you would need to give yourself a new spirit.

None of your claims are supported by any scripture, they are all based on your private opinion.

The Holy Spirit started sending up red flags inside of you about this guy huh?

I've been on this site for a while, and seen a few of these folks come on here for a bit spouting their wrongful personal beliefs, but it doesn't take long for The Holy Spirit to start pointing them out inside.

For instance,...anytime someone makes statements that the reformers (that brought us our bibles that we have in our hands) were just greedy merchants of scripture in the world,.... that's a red flag inside for me, when he is putting down the body of Christ. When someone rejects the scripture sections you offered in discussion, and says that you don't know the Jesus that he does,.... that's another big red flag inside for me also.

Some of these folks that come on here are very deceived, they are not just blinded by satan, their minds are blinded. It's pretty much a waste of time trying to reach them with the truth since they've rejected it, and GOD has further allowed them to believe their lies even more.

I'm certainly not a Calvinist as a Pentecostal, but there are some folks in life we meet at times that are not called.

SabbathBlessings · 2025-12-11T08:48:37-0600

ARBITER01 said:
You're whole spill means nothing to me,....

Gal 5:17 For the flesh lusteth against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh; for these are contrary the one to the other; that ye may not do the things that ye would.
Gal 5:18 But if ye are led by the Spirit, ye are not under the law.

You're just wasting your time arguing.

Well I can check with GOD about that.

If you read the very next verse in Gal 5 and you will see "being led by the Spirit" does not mean we can break the holy law of God. Honestly, this should be just common sense.

This is what happens when we love Jesus and when He gives us His Spirit

John 14:15 “If you love Me, keep My commandments. 16 And I will pray the Father, and He will give you another [e]Helper, that He may abide with you forever— 17 the Spirit of truth, whom the world cannot receive, because it neither sees Him nor knows Him; but you know Him, for He dwells with you and will be in you. 18 I will not leave you orphans; I will come to you.

We become one of His saints

John14:12 Here is the [a]patience of the saints; here[b] are those who keep the commandments of God and the faith of Jesus.

And this love and faith reconciles the NC believer back to Him

Rev 22:14 Blessed are those who do His commandments, that they may have the right to the tree of life, and may enter through the gates into the city.

This is someone who is not walking in the Spirit

Rom 8: 7 Because the [c]carnal mind is enmity against God; for it is not subject to the law of God, nor indeed can be. 8 So then, those who are in the flesh cannot please God.

And which direction that leads

Mat 7:23 And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!’

What Paul is really saying if we don't cut off the context which was in the very next verse. Being under the law obviously does not mean not keeping it, but not under its condemnation- the wages of sin is death. Those who are in Him are keeping the law through His Spirit, not breaking it as the clear Scripture states.

Gal5:19 Now the works of the flesh are evident, which are: adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lewdness, 20 idolatry, sorcery, hatred, contentions, jealousies, outbursts of wrath, selfish ambitions, dissensions, heresies, 21 envy, [f]murders, drunkenness, revelries, and the like; of which I tell you beforehand, just as I also told you in time past, that those who practice such things will not inherit the kingdom of God.

The law breakers are outside God's Kingdom Rev22:15 and only God can define His law and Testimony and He did. Exo20:6 Exo31:18 Isa8:20

Dan1988 · 2025-12-12T05:36:51-0600

Studyman said:
I posted Peter's Words, inspired by the Spirit of the Christ for your review and discussion as to who God gives His Holy Spirit to. You completely rejected his words as unworthy of even your acknowledgement, much less discussion. You accuse me of rejecting God's Word, when it is you who can not bring yourself to even acknowledge much of what HE says.

You are free to do this, but it is hypocritical to reject what Peter says, then accuse me of rejecting what Peter says.

I have your adopted religious opinion, and I have the Inspired Word of God that became flesh. I mean no offence, but I must trust God's Word of your adopted religious opinion.

Heb. 11: 6 But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder "of them" that diligently seek him.

Matt. 6: 33 But seek ye first the kingdom of God, and his righteousness; and (Then) all these things shall be added unto you.

2 Chron. 7: 14 If my people, which are called by my name, shall humble themselves, and pray, "and seek my face", and turn from their wicked ways; then will I hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin, and will heal their land.

Duet. 4: 28 And there ye shall serve gods, the work of men's hands, wood and stone, which neither see, nor hear, nor eat, nor smell. 29 But if from thence thou shalt seek the LORD thy God, thou shalt find him, "if thou seek him" with all thy heart and with all thy soul.

Ps. 119: 10 With my whole heart "have I sought thee": O let me not wander from thy commandments. 11 Thy word have I hid in mine heart, that I might not sin against thee.

2 Chron. 17: 3 And the LORD was with Jehoshaphat, "because" he walked in the first ways of his father David, and sought not unto Baalim; 4 But sought to the LORD God of his father, and walked in his commandments, and "not after the doings of Israel".

2 Chron. 26: 4 And he did that which was right in the sight of the LORD, according to all that his father Amaziah did. 5 And he sought God in the days of Zechariah, who had understanding in the visions of God: and as long as he sought the LORD, God made him to prosper.

Ps. 34: 3 O magnify the LORD with me, and let us exalt his name together. 4 "I sought the LORD", and he heard me, and delivered me from all my fears.

1 Chron. 16: 10 Glory ye in his holy name: let the heart of them rejoice that seek the LORD. 11 "Seek the LORD and his strength", seek his face continually. 12 Remember his marvellous works that he hath done, his wonders, and the judgments of his mouth;

2 Chron. 15: 11 And they offered unto the LORD the same time, of the spoil which they had brought, seven hundred oxen and seven thousand sheep. 12 And they entered into a covenant "to seek the LORD God" of their fathers with all their heart and with all their soul;

So while it is true that there are "Many" who profess to know God, who do not SEEK Him as you boast. Paul and David let's us know who these people are. Anytime you want to hear what God actually says concerning this topic, you are free to trust the Holy Scriptures that Paul said were trustworthy "for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works."

The Jesus "of the Bible" told me to "Seek God's Righteousness", why you would accuse those who believe Him of "making God a Liar", is astonishing to me, given what is actually written in His Inspired Word.

Actually, I have no doubt you believe your adopted religious philosophy. But God already told me by there are men who refuse to "Seek God".

Psalms 10: 3 For the wicked boasteth of his heart's desire, and blesseth the covetous, whom the LORD abhorreth.

4 The wicked, through the pride of his countenance, "will not seek after God": God is not in all his thoughts.

5 His ways are always grievous; thy judgments are far above out of his sight: as for all his enemies, he puffeth at them.

6 He hath said in his heart, I shall not be moved: "for I shall never be in adversity".

7 His mouth "is full of cursing and deceit and fraud": under his tongue is mischief and vanity.

"but you make God a li9ar when you claim that you seek after Him everyday".

All these Inspired Words of God written for your admonition, and mine. And yet, will you believe them?

I believe that every word in the bible is Gods Word, from cover to cover. So I don't have a problem with any of it, but I reject your interpretation of all the scriptures you twisted to force them to say something thewy are not saying. This is to abuse Gods Word.

I asked you why you reject what God has said, but you gave no answer. You resorted to making false allegations about my faith, with zero evidence to support your false accusations.

Dan1988 · 2025-12-12T05:55:57-0600

ARBITER01 said:
The Holy Spirit started sending up red flags inside of you about this guy huh?

I've been on this site for a while, and seen a few of these folks come on here for a bit spouting their wrongful personal beliefs, but it doesn't take long for The Holy Spirit to start pointing them out inside.

For instance,...anytime someone makes statements that the reformers (that brought us our bibles that we have in our hands) were just greedy merchants of scripture in the world,.... that's a red flag inside for me, when he is putting down the body of Christ. When someone rejects the scripture sections you offered in discussion, and says that you don't know the Jesus that he does,.... that's another big red flag inside for me also.

Some of these folks that come on here are very deceived, they are not just blinded by satan, their minds are blinded. It's pretty much a waste of time trying to reach them with the truth since they've rejected it, and GOD has further allowed them to believe their lies even more.

I'm certainly not a Calvinist as a Pentecostal, but there are some folks in life we meet at times that are not called.

It's sad to see some professing Christians being offended by some of what the gospel has to say. Nobody has the authority to interpret the gospel, according to their preconceived views and opinions.
The Bible is supposed to read us, meaning we don't get to decide what it's saying. God speaks by His Word, the Holy Bible, and He doesn't need any help to communicate with His people.

HIM · 2025-12-12T08:32:02-0600

Hentenza said:
Trying to interpret Heb. 4 reading your pet doctrine into it will lead you to the wrong conclusion.

Saying things like this doesn't help prove anything..

Hentenza said:
Actually that is not the case. The chapter begins with “therefore” so you have to read chapter 3 to understand what the conclusion that prompted the therefore is.

“Take care, brothers and sisters, that there will not be in any one of you an evil, unbelieving heart that falls away from the living God. But encourage one another every day, as long as it is still called “today,” so that none of you will be hardened by the deceitfulness of sin. For we have become partakers of Christ if we keep the beginning of our commitment firm until the end, while it is said, “Today if you hear His voice, Do not harden your hearts, as when they provoked Me.” For who provoked Him when they had heard? Indeed, did not all those who came out of Egypt led by Moses? And with whom was He angry for forty years? Was it not with those who sinned, whose dead bodies fell in the wilderness? And to whom did He swear that they would not enter His rest, but to those who were disobedient? And so we see that they were not able to enter because of unbelief.”
‭‭Hebrews‬ ‭3‬:‭12‬-‭19‬ ‭NASB2020‬‬

This portion of chapter three refers to the dangers of unbelief and disobedience. Those that did not entered the promise land either by dying in the wilderness for unbelief or by being disobedient did not enter His rest.

Unbelief here is the obstinate stiff-necked type. The sinning comes from the evil heart of unbelief. And the more one sins the more this evil hearted obstinate condition grows. It isn't that they did not believe in God. The issue was they did not believe God because of their rebellious nature.

Hentenza said:
“Therefore, we must fear if, while a promise remains of entering His rest, any one of you may seem to have come short of it.”
‭‭Hebrews‬ ‭4‬:‭1‬ ‭NASB2020‬‬

Hebrews 4:1 Therefore, we must fear if, while a promise remains of entering His rest, any one of you may seem to have come short of it. | New American Standard Bible - NASB (NASB2020) | Download The Bible App Now

Therefore, we must fear if, while a promise remains of entering His rest, any one of you may seem to have come short of it.

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Talking to the Hebrew converts about the believer’s rest not about the sabbath rest.

Yes. I don't think anyone has said different in respect to that verse.

Hentenza said:
“For indeed we have had good news preached to us, just as they also did; but the word they heard did not benefit them, because they were not united with those who listened with faith.”
‭‭Hebrews‬ ‭4‬:‭2‬ ‭NASB2020‬‬

Hebrews 4:2 For indeed we have had good news preached to us, just as they also did; but the word they heard did not benefit them, because they were not united with those who listened with faith. | New American Standard Bible - NASB (NASB2020) | Downl

For indeed we have had good news preached to us, just as they also did; but the word they heard did not benefit them, because they were not united with those who listened with faith.

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The good news was preached to the Hebrew converts but it did not benefit them because they are not united with those who listen with faith.

No, that is not what the verse is saying. The Good News here that did not benefit them is in respect to The Good news preached to those who were being spoken of in chapter three who were hindered from entering into the promised land. The writer of Hebrews is saying they in his time have had Good News preached to them as those who were in Moses time did. But those in Moses' time did not heed because of their evil heart of unbelief. They did not believe what God said. They did not have faith in God therefore their carcasses fell in the desert because of their sin.

Hentenza said:
“For we who have believed enter that rest, just as He has said, “As I swore in My anger, They certainly shall not enter My rest,” although His works were finished from the foundation of the world.”
‭‭Hebrews‬ ‭4‬:‭3‬ ‭NASB2020‬‬

What is that rest?

Yes, the rest we have in Christ Jesus being His House. If we hold fast in confidence we will remain His house as He succours (helps) us when we are tempted. We just need to listen to His voice as we hear it. This is the Gospel. Part of it anyway.

Heb 2:18 For in that he himself hath suffered being tempted, he is able to succour (helps) them that are tempted.

Heb 3:6 But Christ as a son over his own house; whose house are we, if we hold fast the confidence and the rejoicing of the hope firm unto the end.
Heb 3:7 Wherefore (as the Holy Ghost saith, To day if ye will hear his voice,

Hentenza said:
“For He has said somewhere concerning the seventh day: “And God rested on the seventh day from all His works”; and again in this passage, “They certainly shall not enter My rest.””
‭‭Hebrews‬ ‭4‬:‭4‬-‭5‬ ‭NASB2020‬‬

Hebrews 4:4-5 For He has said somewhere concerning the seventh day: “AND GOD RESTED ON THE SEVENTH DAY FROM ALL HIS WORKS”; and again in this passage, “THEY CERTAINLY SHALL NOT ENTER MY REST.” | New American Standard Bible - NASB (NASB2020) | Downloa

For He has said somewhere concerning the seventh day: “AND GOD RESTED ON THE SEVENTH DAY FROM ALL HIS WORKS”; and again in this passage, “THEY CERTAINLY SHALL NOT ENTER MY REST.”

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Look at the contrast. The writer clearly refers to the sabbath rest in the first part of the verse and then states that they are not going to enter such rest. Why would that be if any Jews could observe the sabbath? The temple was not destroyed yet so they could just go to the temple on the seventh day. No one is going to enter the believers rest unless they have accepted the gospel of good news and has faith.

Bad translation, the word if needs to be in the text as it is in the verse three below. Go to your Greek to English Interlinear you will see yourself.
Heb 4:3 For we which have believed do enter into rest, as he said, As I have sworn in my wrath, if they shall enter into my rest: although the works were finished from the foundation of the world.
Heb 4:4 For he spake in a certain place of the seventh day on this wise, And God did rest the seventh day from all his works.

The Rest here in verse 3 is that of the Good News, the rest we have in Christ Jesus being His house. There He helps us when we are tempted if we listen to His voice. The works for this rest were finished from the foundation of the world is what these verses are saying. This is brought out even more in verse 4 where he starts the verse with the word "for" which adds a reason to that which was previously stated. There it states that when God spake in that certain place Mt Sinia, that He said that He rested from all His works. That would include resting from the works for the rest which is the Good news of Christ Jesus. Verse 5 continues in that it says, "in this again".

In this again what? This brings us back to verse 4 where it says, He speaks of the Seventh Day, if we shall enter into the Rest which we have in Christ Jesus being His house listening to His voice.

Heb 4:5 And in this again, If they shall enter into my rest.

Why does he say that? Let's continue and we shall see.

Hentenza said:
“Therefore, since it remains for some to enter it, and those who previously had good news preached to them failed to enter because of disobedience,”
‭‭Hebrews‬ ‭4‬:‭6‬ ‭NASB2020‬‬
This verse goes back to those that did not enter into the promise land depicted at the end of chapter three. They rejected the good news because if their disobedience and lack of faith as the previous verse teaches. See the use of the word “therefore” again?

No, this is present tense for the writer. Those in the time of Moses had their time. This text is being said in context to verse 5 where it says IF they shall enter into His rest which is the Good News He speaks again of the Seventh Day when God did rest from all His works. The clause from verse, “Therefore, since it remains for some to enter" is being spoken in the present tense. And the clause. "and those who previously had good news preached to them failed to enter because of disobedience" is basically being spoken in the past tense. He is making a contrast to those of his time not entering into the rest which is the Good News due to disobedience, as in the time of Moses and Joshua.

Hentenza said:
“He again sets a certain day, “Today,” saying through David after so long a time just as has been said before, “Today if you hear His voice, Do not harden your hearts.” For if Joshua had given them rest, He would not have spoken of another day after that.”

‭‭Hebrews‬ ‭4‬:‭7‬-‭8‬ ‭NASB2020‬‬

Hebrews 4:7-8 He again sets a certain day, “Today,” saying through David after so long a time just as has been said before, “TODAY IF YOU HEAR HIS VOICE, DO NOT HARDEN YOUR HEARTS.” For if Joshua had given them res | New American Standard Bible - NAS

He again sets a certain day, “Today,” saying through David after so long a time just as has been said before, “TODAY IF YOU HEAR HIS VOICE, DO NOT HARDEN YOUR HEARTS.” For if Joshua had given them res

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So a new day is set, today. There is urgency in accepting the gospel of good news and not continuing on the law....

Yes Heb3;7 and 8 is a call to accept the Good News. Not on a certain day, but today. As the text says, Joshua did not give them this Rest when He led Israel into the promised Land.

Every day God wants us to hear His voice, Christ Jesus. Succoring us, helping us when we our tempted. These verses are basically being repeated from chapter three where the writer first quoted the Psalm. There in verse 7 he spoke in the present tense in context to verse 6. There it is also a call to repentence. Called to hold fast our confidence in His voice firm unto the end. Have not that evil heart of unbelief, not trusting God.

Heb 3:6 But Christ as a son over his own house; whose house are we, if we hold fast the confidence and the rejoicing of the hope firm unto the end.
Heb 3:7 Wherefore (as the Holy Ghost saith, To day if ye will hear his voice,
Heb 3:8 Harden not your hearts, as in the provocation, in the day of temptation in the wilderness:

Hentenza said:
“Consequently, there remains a Sabbath rest for the people of God. For the one who has entered His rest has himself also rested from his works, as God did from His.”
‭‭Hebrews‬ ‭4‬:‭9‬-‭10‬ ‭NASB2020‬‬

Hebrews 4:9-10 Consequently, there remains a Sabbath rest for the people of God. For the one who has entered His rest has himself also rested from his works, as God did from His. | New American Standard Bible - NASB (NASB2020) | Download The Bible Ap

Consequently, there remains a Sabbath rest for the people of God. For the one who has entered His rest has himself also rested from his works, as God did from His.

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The mention of the sabbath rest here is a shadow of the actual sabbath rest as evidenced by the previous verses. Joshua entered the promise land with the law at hand but did not provided them rest. Then those that do enter His rest, the believers rest, has rested from his works which here is the works of the law. Look at the sentence construction here. The fist part of the verse mentions a sabbath rest left but the second part of the post only mentions His rest which is consistent with the chapter so far talking about a believers rest.

No, verses 4:9 and 10 pick up where verses 4 and 5 left off. Verse 5 starts the call to repent and enter into God's rest heeding His voice through Christ and rest from our evil heart of unbelief.

We say that because verse 5 says if they shall enter into His rest. Because the writer sees as we do that some must enter therein. So today if we hear His voice let's not harden our hearts as in the day of provocation, but hold fast our confidence firm unto the end.

Verse 5 says as was said before, In this again, IF they shall enter into my rest.

What again?

To keep in context to verse 4, as was said we must conclude, The Again is the speaking of the Seventh Day. Two things being spoken of here. A speaking of the Seventh Day AGAIN with a condition. We know this by the word if. I’m other words, if we shall enter Rest in Christ Jesus He speaks again of the Seventh Day.

In context to that He says there remains therefore a Sabbath Keeping for the people of God. For the one who has entered into His Rest. The Good News of being His House, whose House we are if we hold fast our confidence firm unto the end heeding His voice, His helping us when we are tempted in sin. He ALSO, IN ADDITION TO ENTERING INTO THIS REST. He also ceases from His own works AS, JUST LIKE God did from His on the Seventh Day.

Two things not one. NO WAY AROUND THAT. The Rest which is the Good News and, ALSO the ceasing from our own works, AS, just like God did FROM HIS on the Seventh Day. The verse says as, which means just like God did from His SO UNLESS you or anyone else is going to say God had an evil heart of unbelief and needed to enter into His Rest, the good news in Christ Jesus and heed His own voice. The ceasing from our own works as God did from His must be that in which was spoken in that certain place, Mt Sinia. And that ceasing from our OWN WORKS was the physical works of our hands that we do. NOT SPIRITUAL. Because God rested from His physical work of Creation. And because He did, He hallowed the Seventh Day and sanctified it. So, He speaks again of the Seventh Day and the keeping of the Sabbath if we enter into His rest, Good News, Christ Jesus. And how does He speak it it. He calls for us to keep it as He did cease from our own work.

Heb 4:4 For he spake in a certain place of the seventh day on this wise, And God did rest the seventh day from all his works.
Heb 4:5 And in this place again, If they shall enter into my rest.

Heb 4:9 There remains, therefore, Sabbathkeeping for the people of God.
Heb 4:10 For the one who has entered into His rest, he also has ceased from his works, just as God did from His own works.

It is a Sabbath keeping not Sabbath rest in verse 4:9. There is a difference. If you keep the Sabbath you are resting on the Seventh Day. And the Seventh Day is the Premise of the context as verses 4:4 and 5 put forth. Because that is what He spoke of on that certain place, Mt Sinia.

In almost all Lexicons the first citation after the word in question is the definition. What follows that typically is how it is seen figuratively as seen in Strong's and ABSMLG where it is stated. Or how it is interpreted or being used in a translation or in the mind of the author as seen in the other lexicons cited below.

Thayer's citation: Original: σαββατισμός
- Transliteration: Sabbatismos
- Phonetic: sab-bat-is-mos'
- Definition:
1. a keeping sabbath
2. the blessed rest from toils and troubles looked for in the age to come by the true worshippers of God and true Christians
- Origin: from a derivative of G4521
- TDNT entry: 07:35,0
- Part(s) of speech: Noun Masculine

Strong's citation: From a derivative of G4521; a sabbatism a sabbatism that is (figuratively) the repose of Christianity (as a type of heaven): - rest.

Webster's definition of sabbatism
-ˌtizəm
noun
plural -s
the strict observance of the sabbath

LSJ's citation: Σαββᾰτ-ισμός , ὁ , a keeping of days of rest, Ep. Hebr. 4.9 , cf. Plu. 2.166a (codd., βαπτισμούς Bentley).

ABSMGL's citation:
G4520
*† σαββατισμός, -οῦ, ὁ
(< σαββατίζω, to keep the sabbath, Exo 16:30, al.),
a keeping sabbath, a sabbath rest: metaph., as in Mishna (Zorell, s.v.), Heb 4:9.†

Hentenza said:
“Therefore let’s make every effort to enter that rest, so that no one will fall by following the same example of disobedience.”

‭‭Hebrews‬ ‭4‬:‭11‬ ‭NASB2020‬‬

Hebrews 4:11 Therefore let’s make every effort to enter that rest, so that no one will fall by following the same example of disobedience. | New American Standard Bible - NASB (NASB2020) | Download The Bible App Now

Therefore let’s make every effort to enter that rest, so that no one will fall by following the same example of disobedience.

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Notice here that it is THAT rest not the sabbath rest that we are to enter. The rest that we have to enter is the believers rest that we enter by faith. It even exhorts us to be careful not to follow the example of those listed at the bottom of chapter three that did not enter the promise land because of their lack of faith and disobedience.

RIght, the writer continues in respect to the rest which is the Good news that we are His house, if hold fast our confidence firm unto the end heeding His voice, so we do not follow after the same example of disobedience through unbelief, not trusting His voice, His help when we are tempted.

This is basically what @SabbathBlessings @BobRyan and @Freth have been saying to everyone in part, I think. But I don't and won't argue that with you. If they think different that is fine.

Hentenza · 2025-12-12T10:05:43-0600

HIM said:
Saying things like this doesn't help prove anything..

Sure it does . It s typical legalist hermeneutics.

HIM said:
Unbelief here is the obstinate stiff-necked type.

Saying things like this does not help prove anything.

HIM said:
The sinning comes from the evil heart of unbelief. And the more one sins the more this evil hearted obstinate condition grows. It isn't that they did not believe in God. The issue was they did not believe God because of their rebellious nature.

And yet those that hear His voice are His sheep and He will never loose them.

HIM said:
Yes. I don't think anyone has said different in respect to that verse.

Really? You might want to read the thread first.

HIM said:
No, that is not what the verse is saying. The Good News here that did not benefit them is in respect to The Good news preached to those who were being spoken of in chapter three who were hindered from entering into the promised land. The writer of Hebrews is saying they in his time have had Good News preached to them as those who were in Moses time did. But those in Moses' time did not heed because of their evil heart of unbelief. They did not believe what God said. They did not have faith in God therefore their carcasses fell in the desert because of their sin.

Partially but the main point follows in verse 8 and 9. The example of the Israelites that did not enter the rest with Joshua (not Jesus) is brought forward to the present set of believers and since this book is called Hebrews for a reason you can’t divorce the historical and linguistic context to force an interpretation.

HIM said:
Yes, the rest we have in Christ Jesus being His House. If we hold fast in confidence we will remain His house as He succours (helps) us when we are tempted. We just need to listen to His voice as we hear it. This is the Gospel. Part of it anyway.

Do you know what Justification means and the result it has on all believers? Do you know why Paul says in Rom. 8:1 that there is no condemnation for those in Christ? Have you read 1 Cor. 3 and what happens at the judgment? I’ll posit that all with saving faith will always remain in Christ.

HIM said:
Heb 2:18 For in that he himself hath suffered being tempted, he is able to succour (helps) them that are tempted.

Heb 3:6 But Christ as a son over his own house; whose house are we, if we hold fast the confidence and the rejoicing of the hope firm unto the end.
Heb 3:7 Wherefore (as the Holy Ghost saith, To day if ye will hear his voice,

Keep reading. He explains this in Hebrews 5.

HIM said:
Bad translation, the word if needs to be in the text as it is in the verse three below. Go to your Greek to English Interlinear you will see yourself.
Heb 4:3 For we which have believed do enter into rest, as he said, As I have sworn in my wrath, if they shall enter into my rest: although the works were finished from the foundation of the world.
Heb 4:4 For he spake in a certain place of the seventh day on this wise, And God did rest the seventh day from all his works.

That would only apply to the Masoretic text only used to translate the KJV if in fact it was translated correctly. This version is not updated and is incorrect as evidenced by their error in quoting Psalm 95:11 where the KJV omits the “not” referring to enter His rest.

Psalm 95:11 KJV
“Unto whom I sware in my wrath That they should not enter into my rest.”
‭‭Psalm‬ ‭95‬:‭11‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Psalm 95:11 (KJV) - Unto whom I sware in my wrath That | YouVersion

Unto whom I sware in my wrath That they should not enter into my rest.

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Heb. 4:3
“For we which have believed do enter into rest, as he said, As I have sworn in my wrath, If they shall enter into my rest: although the works were finished from the foundation of the world.”
‭‭Hebrews‬ ‭4‬:‭3‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Hebrews 4:3 (KJV) - For we which have believed do enter | YouVersion

For we which have believed do enter into rest, as he said, As I have sworn in my wrath, If they shall enter into my rest: although the works were finished from the foundation of the world.

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No other updated translation, including the NASB, uses the “if” and matches the Psalm quote.

HIM said:
The Rest here in verse 3 is that of the Good News, the rest we have in Christ Jesus being His house. There He helps us when we are tempted if we listen to His voice. The works of this rest were finished from the foundation of the world is what these verses are saying. This is brought out even more in verse 4 where he starts the verse with the word "for" which adds a reason to that which was previously stated. There it states that when God spake in that certain place Mt Sinia, that He said that He rested from all His works. That would include resting from the works for the rest which is the Good news of Christ Jesus. Verse 5 continues in that it says, "in this again".

You only come to this conclusion because of the KJV translation error.

HIM said:
In this again what? This brings us back to verse 4 where it says, He speaks of the Seventh Day, if we shall enter into the Rest which we have in Christ Jesus being His house listening to His voice.

Heb 4:5 And in this again, If they shall enter into my rest.

I disagree.

HIM said:
Why does he say that? Let's continue and we shall see.

Let’s not. I don’t do preachy or talk down type of talk. Let’s talk about your interpretation and translation error up to here and then continue once this is settled.

HIM · 2025-12-12T17:01:03-0600

Hentenza said:
That would only apply to the Masoretic text only used to translate the KJV if in fact it was translated correctly. This version is not updated and is incorrect as evidenced by their error in quoting Psalm 95:11 where the KJV omits the “not” referring to enter His rest.

Psalm 95:11 KJV
“Unto whom I sware in my wrath That they should not enter into my rest.”
‭‭Psalm‬ ‭95‬:‭11‬ ‭KJV‬‬

I am going to try to be polite here, please forgive me if I am not. You might want to research things before you share. A lot of responsibility falls on us when we share things that are not true.
First off The Masoretic Text is the Hebrew text used in all translations. However Some use the LXX or consider it in their translation. Here is the verse in question from the Masorectic. The word if in the Hebrew is clearly there but there is difficulties in translating it and it being understood..

It can be translated from the Hebrew to IF as seen below from the BDB and OHAL. And it has been translated to Not and a few other words as seen below in the KJV concordance at the end.

Ps 95:11 אֲשֶׁר־ Therefore נִשְׁבַּ֥עְתִּי Unto whom I sware בְ·אַפִּ֑·י in my wrath אִם־ IF יְ֝בֹא֗וּ·ן that they should not enter אֶל־ into מְנוּחָתִֽ·י׃ into my rest
אִם

BDB citation:
- Original: אם
- Transliteration: 'im
- Phonetic: eem
- Definition:
1. if
a. conditional clauses
1. of possible situations
2. of impossible situations
b. oath contexts
1. no, not
c. if...if, whether...or, whether...or...or
d. when, whenever
e. since
f. interrogative particle
g. but rather
- Origin: a primitive particle

From the Open Hebrew Analytical Lexicon:
אִם conj: if
אִם [H518] conj: if, that if
conjunction

However, there is only one way to translate the Greek correctly to which the New Testament is from. Both the Byzantine Text type and the Alexandrian read the same in respect to the word in question. First the TR from of the Byzantine text type.

Heb 4:5 καὶ And ἐν In τούτῳ This ' Place ' πάλιν Again Εἰ If εἰσελεύσονται They Shall Enter εἰς Into τὴν κατάπαυσίν μου My Rest.

Here is the WH from the Alexandrian:
Heb 4:5 και εν τουτω παλιν ει εισελευσονται εις την καταπαυσιν μου

Here is how the word in question is defined. First from Thayer then from Strongs.

- Original: εἰ
- Transliteration: Ei
- Phonetic: i
- Definition:
1. if, whether
- Origin: a primary particle of conditionality
- TDNT entry: None
- Part(s) of speech: Conjunction

- Strong's: A primary particle of conditionality;
if whether that etc.: - forasmuch as if that ([al-]) though whether. Often used in connection or composition with other particles especially as in G1489 G1490 G1499 G1508 G1509 G1512 G1513 G1536 and G1537. See also G1437.

So why translate the Hebrew from Psalm 95 that way? Because when the writer thought of Psalm 95 HE thought of the Greek LXX which translates the Hebrew the same way as does the TR. Here is that translation. I will put the The TR and the WH below it so you can see for yourself.

The LXX:
Ps 95:11 ὡς ὤμοσα ἐν τῇ ὀργῇ μου Εἰ εἰσελεύσονται εἰς τὴν κατάπαυσίν μου.

The TR: Heb 4:5 καὶ And ἐν In τούτῳ This ' Place ' πάλιν Again Εἰ If εἰσελεύσονται They Shall Enter εἰς Into τὴν κατάπαυσίν μου My Rest.

Here is the WH from the Alexandrian:
Heb 4:5 και εν τουτω παλιν ει εισελευσονται εις την καταπαυσιν μου

As was said you are using a bad translation. We will address the rest of your post as time allows. I owed it to you and everyone else to at least get this out. Have a nice evening

KJV CONCORDANCE:
אם
'im
eem
Total KJV Occurrences: 999
• about, 1
1Kgs 20:6

• Also, 1
Job 36:29

• and, 4
Job 1:11; Job 2:5; Jer 5:9; Ezek 44:10

• but, 89
Gen 15:4; Gen 24:38; Gen 28:17; Gen 32:28; Gen 35:10; Gen 39:9; Gen 40:14; Gen 47:18; Exod 12:9; Lev 21:2; Lev 21:14; Num 26:33; Num 35:33; Deut 7:5; Deut 10:12; Deut 12:5; Deut 12:14; Deut 12:18; Deut 16:6; Josh 17:3; Josh 23:8; 1Sam 2:15; 1Sam 8:19; 1Sam 21:4; 1Sam 21:6; 2Sam 19:28; 2Sam 21:2; 1Kgs 8:19; 1Kgs 17:1; 1Kgs 17:12; 1Kgs 18:18; 1Kgs 22:8; 1Kgs 22:18; 2Kgs 5:15; 2Kgs 5:17; 2Kgs 5:20; 2Kgs 7:10; 2Kgs 10:23; 2Kgs 13:7; 2Kgs 14:6; 2Kgs 17:36; 2Kgs 17:39; 2Kgs 17:40; 2Kgs 19:18; 2Kgs 23:9; 2Kgs 23:23; 1Chr 2:34; 1Chr 15:2; 1Chr 23:22; 2Chr 18:17; Neh 2:2; Esth 2:15; Esth 5:12; Ps 1:2; Ps 1:4; Prov 18:2; Eccl 3:12; Isa 33:21; Isa 37:19; Isa 42:19; Isa 55:10; Isa 55:11; Isa 59:2; Isa 65:6; Isa 65:18; Jer 3:10; Jer 7:23; Jer 7:32; Jer 9:24; Jer 16:15; Jer 19:6; Jer 20:3; Jer 23:8; Jer 31:30; Jer 38:4; Jer 38:6; Jer 39:12; Jer 44:14; Lam 5:22; Ezek 12:23; Ezek 33:11; Ezek 36:22; Ezek 44:22; Ezek 44:25; Dan 10:21; Amos 3:7; Amos 8:11; Mic 6:8; Zech 4:6

• can, 4
2Sam 19:35(2); Prov 6:28; Jer 23:24

• cannot, 1
1Sam 17:55

• doth, 1
Prov 27:24

• Doubtless, 1
Num 14:30

• Either, 1
1Chr 21:12

• else, 2
Gen 42:16; 1Chr 21:12

• even, 1
Joel 1:2

• except, 13
Gen 32:26; Gen 42:15; Gen 44:23; Deut 32:30; Josh 7:12; 2Sam 3:13; 2Sam 5:6; 2Kgs 4:24; Esth 2:14; Ps 127:1(2); Prov 4:16; Amos 3:3

• for, 4
2Sam 13:33; Job 42:8; Jer 22:17; Jer 48:27

• furthermore, 1
1Sam 26:10

• I, 1
Num 10:30

• if, 590
Gen 4:7(2); Gen 13:9(2); Gen 13:16; Gen 15:5; Gen 18:3; Gen 18:21; Gen 18:26; Gen 18:28; Gen 18:30; Gen 20:7; Gen 23:8; Gen 23:13; Gen 24:8; Gen 24:41; Gen 24:42; Gen 24:49(2); Gen 25:22; Gen 27:46; Gen 28:20; Gen 30:27; Gen 30:31; Gen 31:8(2); Gen 31:50(2); Gen 32:8; Gen 33:10; Gen 34:15; Gen 34:17; Gen 42:19; Gen 42:37; Gen 43:4; Gen 43:5; Gen 43:9; Gen 43:11; Gen 44:26; Gen 44:32; Gen 47:6; Gen 47:16; Gen 47:29; Gen 50:4; Exod 1:16(2); Exod 4:8; Exod 4:9; Exod 8:2; Exod 8:21; Exod 9:2; Exod 10:4; Exod 12:4; Exod 13:13; Exod 15:26; Exod 18:23; Exod 19:5; Exod 20:25; Exod 21:3(2); Exod 21:4; Exod 21:5; Exod 21:8; Exod 21:9; Exod 21:10; Exod 21:11; Exod 21:19; Exod 21:21; Exod 21:23; Exod 21:27; Exod 21:29; Exod 21:30; Exod 21:32; Exod 22:2; Exod 22:3(2); Exod 22:4; Exod 22:7; Exod 22:8; Exod 22:12; Exod 22:13; Exod 22:15(2); Exod 22:17; Exod 22:23; Exod 22:25; Exod 22:26; Exod 23:22; Exod 29:34; Exod 32:32(2); Exod 33:13; Exod 33:15; Exod 34:9; Exod 34:20; Exod 40:37; Lev 1:3; Lev 1:10; Lev 1:14; Lev 2:5; Lev 2:7; Lev 2:14; Lev 3:1(2); Lev 3:6; Lev 3:7; Lev 3:12; Lev 4:3; Lev 4:13; Lev 4:27; Lev 4:32; Lev 5:1; Lev 5:7; Lev 5:11; Lev 5:17; Lev 6:28; Lev 7:12; Lev 7:16; Lev 7:18; Lev 12:5; Lev 12:8; Lev 13:4; Lev 13:7; Lev 13:12; Lev 13:21; Lev 13:22; Lev 13:23; Lev 13:26; Lev 13:27; Lev 13:28; Lev 13:35; Lev 13:37; Lev 13:53; Lev 13:56; Lev 13:57; Lev 14:21; Lev 14:43; Lev 14:48; Lev 15:23; Lev 15:24; Lev 15:28; Lev 17:16; Lev 19:7; Lev 20:4; Lev 25:28; Lev 25:30; Lev 25:51; Lev 25:52; Lev 25:54; Lev 26:3; Lev 26:14; Lev 26:15(2); Lev 26:18; Lev 26:21; Lev 26:23; Lev 26:27; Lev 27:4; Lev 27:5; Lev 27:6; Lev 27:7(2); Lev 27:8; Lev 27:9; Lev 27:10; Lev 27:11; Lev 27:13; Lev 27:15; Lev 27:16; Lev 27:17; Lev 27:18; Lev 27:19; Lev 27:20(2); Lev 27:22; Lev 27:27(2); Lev 27:31; Lev 27:33; Num 5:8; Num 5:19(2); Num 5:27; Num 5:28; Num 10:4; Num 11:15(2); Num 12:6; Num 14:8; Num 15:24; Num 15:27; Num 16:29; Num 16:30; Num 19:12; Num 20:19; Num 21:2; Num 21:9; Num 22:18; Num 22:20; Num 22:34; Num 24:13; Num 27:9; Num 27:10; Num 27:11; Num 30:5; Num 30:6; Num 30:8; Num 30:10; Num 30:12; Num 30:14; Num 30:15; Num 32:5; Num 32:20(2); Num 32:23; Num 32:29; Num 32:30; Num 33:55; Num 35:16; Num 35:17; Num 35:20; Num 35:22; Num 35:26; Deut 5:25; Deut 8:19; Deut 11:13; Deut 11:22; Deut 11:28; Deut 15:5; Deut 19:8; Deut 20:11; Deut 20:12; Deut 21:14; Deut 22:2; Deut 22:20; Deut 22:25; Deut 24:12; Deut 25:2; Deut 25:7; Deut 28:1; Deut 28:15; Deut 28:58; Deut 30:4; Deut 30:17; Deut 32:41; Josh 2:14; Josh 2:19; Josh 2:20; Josh 17:15; Josh 22:19; Josh 22:22(2); Josh 22:23(2); Josh 22:24; Josh 23:12; Josh 24:15; Judg 4:8(2); Judg 6:17; Judg 6:31; Judg 6:36; Judg 6:37; Judg 7:10; Judg 9:15(2); Judg 9:16(2); Judg 9:19; Judg 9:20; Judg 11:9; Judg 11:10; Judg 11:30; Judg 13:16; Judg 14:12; Judg 14:13; Judg 16:7; Judg 16:11; Judg 16:13; Judg 16:17; Judg 21:21; Ruth 3:13(2); Ruth 4:4(2); 1Sam 1:11; 1Sam 2:16; 1Sam 2:25(2); 1Sam 3:9; 1Sam 3:17; 1Sam 6:3; 1Sam 6:9(2); 1Sam 7:3; 1Sam 11:3; 1Sam 12:14; 1Sam 12:15; 1Sam 12:25; 1Sam 14:9; 1Sam 14:10; 1Sam 17:9(2); 1Sam 19:11; 1Sam 20:6; 1Sam 20:7(2); 1Sam 20:8; 1Sam 20:9; 1Sam 20:21; 1Sam 20:22; 1Sam 20:29; 1Sam 21:4; 1Sam 21:9; 1Sam 23:23; 1Sam 25:22; 1Sam 26:19(2); 1Sam 27:5; 2Sam 3:35; 2Sam 10:11(2); 2Sam 11:20; 2Sam 12:8; 2Sam 14:32; 2Sam 15:8; 2Sam 15:25; 2Sam 15:26; 2Sam 15:33; 2Sam 15:34; 2Sam 17:6; 2Sam 17:13; 2Sam 18:3(2); 2Sam 18:25; 2Sam 19:13; 1Kgs 1:52(2); 1Kgs 2:4; 1Kgs 3:14; 1Kgs 6:12; 1Kgs 9:4; 1Kgs 9:6; 1Kgs 11:38; 1Kgs 12:7; 1Kgs 12:27; 1Kgs 13:8; 1Kgs 18:21(2); 1Kgs 20:10; 1Kgs 20:39; 1Kgs 21:2; 1Kgs 21:6; 1Kgs 22:28; 2Kgs 1:10; 2Kgs 1:12; 2Kgs 2:10(2); 2Kgs 6:31; 2Kgs 7:4(4); 2Kgs 9:15; 2Kgs 10:6; 2Kgs 18:23; 2Kgs 20:19; 2Kgs 21:8; 1Chr 12:17(2); 1Chr 13:2; 1Chr 19:12(2); 1Chr 22:13; 1Chr 28:7; 1Chr 28:9(2); 2Chr 6:22; 2Chr 6:24; 2Chr 7:13; 2Chr 7:17; 2Chr 7:19; 2Chr 10:7; 2Chr 15:2(2); 2Chr 18:27; 2Chr 20:9; 2Chr 25:8; 2Chr 30:9; Neh 2:5(2); Neh 2:7; Neh 4:3; Neh 13:21; Esth 1:19; Esth 3:9; Esth 4:14; Esth 5:4; Esth 5:8(2); Esth 6:13; Esth 7:3(2); Esth 8:5(2); Esth 9:13; Job 6:28; Job 8:4; Job 8:5; Job 8:6; Job 8:18; Job 9:3; Job 9:16; Job 9:19(2); Job 9:20; Job 9:23; Job 9:24; Job 9:27; Job 9:30; Job 10:14; Job 10:15; Job 11:10; Job 11:13; Job 11:14; Job 13:10; Job 14:7; Job 14:14; Job 17:13; Job 19:5; Job 21:4; Job 22:23; Job 24:25; Job 27:14; Job 31:5; Job 31:7; Job 31:9; Job 31:13; Job 31:16; Job 31:19; Job 31:20; Job 31:21; Job 31:24; Job 31:25; Job 31:26; Job 31:29; Job 31:31; Job 31:33; Job 31:38; Job 31:39; Job 33:5; Job 33:23; Job 33:32; Job 33:33; Job 34:14; Job 34:16; Job 34:32; Job 35:6; Job 35:7; Job 36:8; Job 36:11; Job 36:12; Job 37:20; Job 38:4; Job 38:18; Ps 7:3(2); Ps 7:4; Ps 7:12; Ps 41:6; Ps 44:20; Ps 50:12; Ps 59:15; Ps 66:18; Ps 73:15; Ps 81:8; Ps 89:30; Ps 89:31; Ps 90:10; Ps 95:7; Ps 130:3; Ps 132:12; Ps 137:5; Ps 137:6(2); Ps 139:8; Ps 139:24; Prov 1:10; Prov 1:11; Prov 2:1; Prov 2:3; Prov 2:4; Prov 3:30; Prov 6:1; Prov 9:12; Prov 19:19; Prov 22:27; Prov 23:2; Prov 23:15; Prov 24:11; Prov 25:21(2); Prov 30:32(2); Eccl 4:10; Eccl 4:11; Eccl 4:12; Eccl 5:8; Eccl 6:3; Eccl 10:4; Eccl 10:10; Eccl 11:3(2); Eccl 11:8; Song 1:8; Song 5:8; Song 7:12; Song 8:7; Song 8:9(2); Isa 1:19; Isa 1:20; Isa 7:9; Isa 8:20; Isa 21:12; Isa 36:8; Isa 58:9; Isa 58:13; Jer 2:28; Jer 4:1(2); Jer 5:1(2); Jer 7:5(2); Jer 12:16; Jer 12:17; Jer 13:17; Jer 14:18(2); Jer 15:19(2); Jer 17:24; Jer 17:27; Jer 22:4; Jer 22:5; Jer 23:22; Jer 26:4; Jer 26:15; Jer 27:18(2); Jer 31:36; Jer 31:37; Jer 33:20; Jer 33:25; Jer 38:17; Jer 38:18; Jer 38:21; Jer 40:4(2); Jer 42:5; Jer 42:10; Jer 42:13; Jer 42:15; Jer 49:9(2); Lam 1:12; Ezek 20:39; Ezek 21:13; Ezek 43:11; Joel 3:4; Amos 3:4; Amos 6:9; Obad 1:5(3); Mic 5:8; Nah 3:12; Hag 2:13; Zech 3:7(2); Zech 6:15; Zech 11:12(2); Zech 14:18; Mal 1:6(2); Mal 2:2(2); Mal 3:10

• neither, 4
1Sam 30:15; Jer 38:16; Ezek 14:16; Ezek 14:20

• Nevertheless, 1
Num 24:22

• no, 4
1Sam 28:10; 1Kgs 18:10; Isa 62:8; Jer 44:26

• nor, 9
1Sam 30:15; 2Kgs 3:14; Neh 13:25; Job 27:4; Ps 132:3; Song 2:7; Song 3:5; Ezek 14:16; Ezek 14:20

• not, 26
Gen 14:23(2); 1Sam 3:14; 1Sam 14:45; 1Sam 19:6; 1Sam 25:34; 2Sam 14:11; 2Sam 19:7; 1Kgs 1:51; 1Kgs 2:8; 1Kgs 17:1; 1Kgs 17:12; 2Kgs 2:2; 2Kgs 2:4; 2Kgs 2:6; 2Kgs 4:30; Neh 13:25; Job 27:4; Ps 89:35; Ps 132:4; Isa 62:8; Jer 38:16; Ezek 16:48; Ezek 18:3; Ezek 20:3; Ezek 20:31

• Of, 1
1Sam 21:5

• only, 1
2Chr 2:6

• or, 57
Gen 24:21; Gen 27:21; Gen 30:1; Gen 37:8; Gen 37:32; Exod 16:4; Exod 17:7; Exod 19:13; Lev 3:1; Lev 27:26; Num 11:22; Num 11:23; Num 13:18; Num 13:19(2); Num 13:20(2); Deut 8:2; Deut 18:3; Josh 5:13; Josh 24:15; Judg 2:22; Judg 9:2; Judg 11:25; Judg 20:28; Ruth 3:10; 2Sam 15:21; 2Sam 19:42; 2Sam 20:20; 2Sam 24:13(2); 1Kgs 22:6; 1Kgs 22:15; 2Kgs 20:9; 1Chr 21:12; 2Chr 18:5; 2Chr 18:14; Job 6:5; Job 6:6; Job 7:12; Job 8:3; Job 10:4; Job 13:9; Job 22:3; Job 37:13(2); Job 39:9; Job 39:10; Job 39:13; Eccl 5:12; Eccl 11:3; Isa 49:24; Isa 50:2; Jer 14:22; Ezek 15:3; Ezek 22:14; Amos 6:2

• pleasure, 1
Ezek 33:11

• save, 14
Gen 39:6; Num 14:30; Num 26:65; Josh 14:4; Judg 7:14; 1Sam 30:17; 1Sam 30:22; 2Sam 12:3; 1Kgs 22:31; 2Kgs 4:2; 2Chr 18:30; 2Chr 21:17; 2Chr 23:6; Neh 2:12

• saving, 1
Eccl 5:11

• Seeing, 1
Job 14:5

• should, 1
Job 11:2

• since, 1
Jer 23:38

• sith, 1
Ezek 35:6

• surely, 36
Num 14:23; Num 14:35; Num 32:11; Deut 1:35; Josh 14:9; 2Sam 15:21; 1Kgs 20:23; 1Kgs 20:25; 2Kgs 9:26; Job 31:36; Ps 131:2; Ps 132:3; Ps 139:19; Prov 3:34; Prov 23:18; Eccl 10:11; Isa 14:24; Isa 22:14; Isa 29:16; Jer 22:6; Jer 49:20(2); Jer 50:45(2); Jer 51:14; Ezek 3:6; Ezek 5:11; Ezek 17:16; Ezek 17:19; Ezek 20:33; Ezek 33:27; Ezek 34:8; Ezek 36:5; Ezek 36:7; Ezek 38:19; Amos 8:7

• than, 2
2Kgs 9:35; Eccl 8:15

• that, 16
Gen 26:29; Gen 31:52(2); Gen 47:18; Exod 22:11; Deut 24:1; Ruth 3:12; 1Sam 24:6; 1Sam 24:21(2); 2Sam 20:20; 1Kgs 8:25; 1Chr 4:10; 2Chr 33:8; Job 27:5; Ps 95:11

• though, 39
Judg 13:16; Judg 15:7; 1Sam 14:39; Neh 1:9; Job 9:15; Job 14:8; Job 16:6; Job 20:6; Job 20:12; Job 27:16; Job 30:24; Ps 27:3(2); Ps 68:13; Ps 138:7; Prov 27:22; Eccl 8:17; Isa 1:18(2); Isa 10:22; Jer 2:22; Jer 5:2; Jer 14:7; Jer 15:1; Jer 22:24; Jer 37:10; Lam 3:32; Hos 4:15; Hos 9:12; Amos 5:22; Amos 9:2(2); Amos 9:3(2); Amos 9:4; Obad 1:4(2); Nah 1:12; Hab 2:3

• till, 1
Isa 30:17

• truth, 1
Isa 5:9

• turn, 1
2Sam 14:19

• unless, 2
Lev 22:6; Prov 4:16

• until, 6
Gen 24:19; Gen 24:33; Gen 28:15; Num 32:17; Ruth 2:21; Ruth 3:18

• up, 2
Song 2:7; Song 3:5

• verily, 2
Jer 15:11(2)

• when, 20
Gen 38:9; Num 36:4; Judg 4:20; Judg 6:3; 1Sam 15:17; Job 7:4; Job 17:16; Job 21:6; Ps 50:18; Ps 63:6; Ps 78:34; Ps 94:18; Prov 3:24; Prov 4:12; Prov 24:14; Isa 4:4; Isa 24:13; Isa 28:25; Isa 53:10; Amos 7:2

• Whereas, 1
Job 22:20

• whether, 30
Exod 19:13; Exod 22:8; Lev 3:1; Lev 27:26; Deut 18:3; Josh 24:15; Ruth 3:10; 2Sam 15:21; 1Kgs 20:18(2); 2Kgs 1:2; Ezra 2:59; Neh 7:61; Esth 4:14; Job 37:13; Prov 20:11(2); Eccl 5:12; Eccl 11:6; Eccl 12:14(2); Jer 30:6; Jer 42:6(2); Ezek 2:5(2); Ezek 2:7(2); Ezek 3:11(2)

• while, 1
1Sam 20:14

• yet, 1
Judg 15:7

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