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Nope. I claim vs 30 happens first and then vs 31.
29 “But immediately after the tribulation of those days the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light, and the stars will fall from the sky, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken. 30 And then the sign of the Son of Man will appear in the sky, and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of the sky with power and great glory. 31 And He will send forth His angels with a great trumpet and they will gather together His elect from the four winds, from one end of the sky to the other (rapture)
You are still altering the verse 30. Read it. There’s no pause, no delay. Heaven opens up? Sand Jesus returns to Earth and goes right into Armageddon.
Where do the gathered go, in verse 31? When do they go? When does Armageddon (Rev 19:11-16)
it is a verbatim quote in NASB.
what delay??
Rev 19 shows that happening when Jesus appears. all the armies of the earth wiped out.
He appears and raptures the saints in Matt 24 just as we see in 1 Thess 4:16-18. No delay
At His appearing as stated in vs 30
At His appearing. Vs 30 and 31 all happen at the same time and you can see it in Rev 19 as well
Jesus does not mention Armageddon in that text but it is there at His appearing as Rev 19 tells us. Paul also describes it that way in
Matt 24:31 only gathers locally. No one knows, for sure, where those gathered end up. The best guess is the judgments in Matt 25:31-46.
Matt 24 is a very brief summary of the 7-year Trib, and an extremely short summary of the 2A and the gathering after the 2A.
Matt 24 makes no mention at all of a future 7 year tribulation
Armageddon is in Rev 16, Rev 19 and Rev 20 with Gog and Magog gathered against the Holy City in Rev 21.
No mention of that at all in vs 20. But I do agree that it fits in with the tribulation events prior to vs 29. And of course AFTER the tribulation we have vs 30-31 rapture as vs 29 reminds us
from "one end of the SKY to the other" has nothing about "local only"
1 Thess 4:13-18 is just like Matt 24 , it does not explicitly say "end up in heaven" but we know that is exactly what happens at the rapture. The saints are taken to heaven
Yep. Just like Matt 24. That is the only reason ever given in the NT for all saints being up in the sky
Nothing in 1 Thess 4 or Matt 24 says anything.
in fact they do. The mark the taking up of the saints into the sky
There is appear in the sky in Matt 24 and Rev 19 but there is no "lands on Earth" in either chapter.
Here is a comparison of Matt 24:5-9 and Rev 6. Matt 24:5-9 is absolutely a summary of Rev 6, the seal judgements. Matt 24:29 is described in Rev 6:12–14.
“Locally” was intended as “Earth,” as opposed to a rapture to Heaven.
Armageddon occurs in Rev 19:19-21.
