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As you go east around the globe, Shabbat ends up starting at sunset in Los Angeles 24 hours earlier than it does. How can that be?
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So? is that a problem? Shabbat begins Friday evening at sunset...the earth turns you know...
Because IT IS...SIMPLE! lol@Yeshua HaDerekh (and anyone who wants to jump in
You may be thinking, "Sunset on Friday, it's simple"
If you don't acknowledge the authority of human governments to say what day it is, Yes, it is a problem
Yes. It looks like we agree that the Earth is a globe, a sphere. It rotates, such that sunset moves continuously around the Earth
You ignored the rest of my post, my man
Good, you understand the earth rotates! Um no. the 5th day at sunset is not Shabbat. No, it is ONLY the sunset of the 6th day into the 7th day, not any day you want. ...as I said, the rabbis did not make Shabbat, YHVH did...Exodus 32:16. Yeshua kept Shabbat as well as the rabbis...if they kept it on the wrong day, He would have told them that, but He didn't. The rabbis kept meticulous records so I will defer to them and Yeshua rather than to you...Yes. It looks like we agree that the Earth is a globe, a sphere. It rotates, such that sunset moves continuously around the Earth
Following sunset east, we can make Shabbat occur 24 hours earlier in Los Angeles, on Thursday sunset. Follow the sunset west, and we can make Shabbat occur 24 hours later, on Saturday evening
Indeed, Shabbat can be any sunset you want... Unless you acknowledge the authority of human governments regarding days
So, my man... Do you acknowledge that authority? Do you follow the traditions of the rabbis? It's cool with me if you do. But most Christian seventh day observers start to feel real uneasy with the traditions of the rabbis, etc
Which day of the week it is can change depending on whether you acknowledge the authority of human governments
It sounds like you follow the traditions of the rabbis regarding how to deal with sunset on a rotating globe
Jesus kept the Sabbath in and around the Holy Land. That's not the issue
Which day of the week it is can change depending on whether you acknowledge the authority of human governments
It sounds like you follow the traditions of the rabbis regarding how to deal with sunset on a rotating globe
As I said, that's cool. But it's not the approach used by most Christian Seventh-Day observers
Jesus kept the Sabbath in and around the Holy Land. That's not the issue
It's when you move significantly away from the holy land that questions arise
I think we agree that as we move East the seventh day begins earlier. What is the location on Earth where the seventh day begins earliest?
Psalm 50
A Psalm by Asaph.
The Mighty One, God, the Lord, speaks, and calls the earth from sunrise to sunset
Shabbat is always on the 7th day. No problem. i told you the Rabbis did not invent Shabbat. Why is it a problem as you move away for Jerusalem? There are Jews all over the world that keep Shabbat.Which day of the week it is can change depending on whether you acknowledge the authority of human governments
It sounds like you follow the traditions of the rabbis regarding how to deal with sunset on a rotating globe
As I said, that's cool. But it's not the approach used by most Christian Seventh-Day observers
Jesus kept the Sabbath in and around the Holy Land. That's not the issue
It's when you move significantly away from the holy land that questions arise
I think we agree that as we move East the seventh day begins earlier. What is the location on Earth where the seventh day begins earliest?
Psalm 50
A Psalm by Asaph.
The Mighty One, God, the Lord, speaks, and calls the earth from sunrise to sunset
Whether it's the 7th day or the 6th or 1st day can be affected by what your national government says
Suppose two people celebrate Shabbat together in Jerusalem. Over the next week, they each travel about 800 miles, one going East and the other West. They both celebrate the Sabbath again, but a couple hours apart now.
Yes, and they follow the traditions of the rabbis
Peace be with you, my man
At some point, one of them will cross the international date line and will eventually meet their colleague and celebrate Sabbath on the same day. Having a date line on the earth is a necessity regardless of whether governments were involved in choosing its location or not. The date line is not a straight line because people's living near the date line prefer to share the same day with their nearest neighbours.
No it doesn't. Shabbat is on a continuous 7 day cycle, it always has been. Shabbat is at sunset no matter where you are. Why are you having such difficulty understanding something so simple. What traditions of Rabbis? How to, not when to...Shabbat Shalom!
True
If you look at the history of this idea as I presented it in this thread, it's oriented towards my Christian brothers and sisters who want to observe the seventh day using only the scriptures.
True again. However, most Christian Seventh-Day observers are not interested in what nations have agreed on. Indeed, many see that as a bad sign
I don't think you are following what I'm asking
Let's expand that just a bit
The tradition of the rabbis that says follow the decisions of your local government regarding what day of the week it is
You are implying you travel to a different area the same day? I am saying that Shabbat is between sunset and sunset of the 7th day...any where you are at that time period. The tradition of the Rabbis is the same...keep Shabbat on the 7th day. Shabbat Shalom!I don't think you are following what I'm asking
Again,
Let's expand that just a bit
Suppose you're in Mumbai. You celebrate Shabbat sunset on Friday. Then you travel east to Tokyo. You celebrate Shabbat a few hours earlier that week, after working for 6 days.
You continue traveling East to Honolulu. Work 6 days, celebrate Shabbat. Again, you celebrate a few hours earlier. Then you continue East to Los Angeles. Same pattern.
Is that how it works?
The tradition of the rabbis that says follow the decisions of your local government regarding what day of the week it is
Since the Scriptures don't give any indication as to how to deal with this issue, your brethren have put themselves in a quandary, but it is one of their own making. I guess that is the result of focusing on the letter of the law and ignoring the spirit of the law. The Sabbath was made for man, not man for the Sabbath. It was made to give respite to man after six days of labour so that they would live long and prosper rather than push themselves into an early grave.
Yes
That's how it looks to me, as well
I hear that! I think the idea of the Sabbath goes along well with what 1 Timothy 6 says,
