Utah legislator threatens legislation after Utah Mammoth (Hockey) and Jazz (basketball) make posts supporting Gay Pride

ozso · Wednesday at 10:38 AM

BCP1928 said:
What is unChristian, in my opinion, is striving to have a secular government criminalize Christian sins for those who don't believe they are immoral;

Does that apply to those who don't believe that incest is immoral?

RileyG · Wednesday at 10:40 AM

Oompa Loompa said:
There is no room for wierd sex stuff in sports. Just play the darn game.

Agreed. Who cares who is attracted to who? It’s no one’s business to begin with! You know?

RileyG · Wednesday at 10:40 AM

Oompa Loompa said:
Gay = men performing weird sex stuff with other men. Lesbian = woman performing weird sex stuff with other women. Bisexuality = men performing weird sex stuff with men or women performing weird sex stuff with women while sometimes performing less weird sex stuff with the opposite sex. Transgenders are just delusional gays and lesbians who think they are the opposite sex. LGBT pride is celebrating these abominations. What am I missing? @7thKeeper

Yuck.

RileyG · Wednesday at 10:44 AM

A2SG said:
Other human beings.

-- A2SG, what else?

Saying sin is sin or NOT wanting to celebrate someone’s lifestyle, doesn’t mean someone isn’t being compassionate.

SMH

RileyG · Wednesday at 10:45 AM

Belk said:
What first amendment?

Sooo if someone said they believed marriage was between one man and one woman only and/or LGBT is wrong, does the first amendment apply? Or only those who celebrate LGBT lifestyles?

It goes BOTH ways.

Free speech is free speech.

FAITH-IN-HIM · Wednesday at 10:46 AM

Oompa Loompa said:
Nobody here said that anyone is going to hell. But I am curious as to how anyone can reconcile Romans 1:32 and those who approve of homosexuality.

Romans 1:32 NIV
[32] Although they know God’s righteous decree that those who do such things deserve death, they not only continue to do these very things but also approve of those who practice them.

Any Christian who read the Bible or understood Bible would not approve homosexual lifestyle. Romans 1:32 and rest of the Bible is very clear that homosexuality is a sin, as are greed, lust, pride, and jealousy.

No one goes to hell because of being homosexual or greedy. People go to hell for rejecting Christ. It is unbiblical to rank sins or judge certain sinners as less desirable. God's love and grace for salvation are offered equally to all sinners, regardless of their sins.

RocksInMyHead · Wednesday at 10:50 AM

RileyG said:
Sooo if someone said they believed marriage was between one man and one woman only and/or LGBT is wrong, does the first amendment apply?

Absolutely. I don't see anyone here claiming otherwise.

RileyG · Wednesday at 10:51 AM

RocksInMyHead said:
Absolutely. I don't see anyone here claiming otherwise.

People have a right to live as they want. Period. I literally don’t care what adults do. End of discussion.

RocksInMyHead · Wednesday at 10:53 AM

RileyG said:
People have a right to live as they want. Period. I literally don’t care what adults do. End of discussion.

Ok. And how does that relate to the topic or my post?

BCP1928 · Wednesday at 10:54 AM

ozso said:
Does that apply to those who don't believe that incest is immoral?

Not enough of them to swing the vote. Pederasty is illegal, too. The laws are not moral dictums, just rules we agree to follow by consensus. Consequently, some of the things we are allowed to do by law others will consider to be immoral.

Belk · Wednesday at 10:55 AM

RileyG said:
Sooo if someone said they believed marriage was between one man and one woman only and/or LGBT is wrong, does the first amendment apply? Or only those who celebrate LGBT lifestyles?

It goes BOTH ways.

Free speech is free speech.

What on earth does your question have to do with the case at hand? The person in this case a government representative promising government action in response to someone expressing an opinion on gay rights. You do understand how that falls afoul the first amendment, yes?

ozso · Wednesday at 10:56 AM

FAITH-IN-HIM said:
You are correct. If a sinner repents and accepts Christ, they will receive eternal life. Eternal damnation is not a consequence of one's sins but rather the result of not accepting Christ as their personal savior.

He saved them by dying in their place because the consequences of sin is death ie damnation.

FAITH-IN-HIM said:
We cannot know who repented. Our duty is to love and show compassion. Saying LGBTQ people will go to hell does not reflect Christian values.

No it's saying that engaging in homosexual fornication is a sin and immoral and that unrepentant sin and immorality leads to condemnation. Would you call it a lack of compassion if I told a couple of heterosexuals that fornication is a sin and immoral and that they need to repent? Or if I told someone committing adultery that they are sinning and that adultery is immoral and that they need to quit it and repent?

The reason why calling heterosexual fornication and adultery sinful and immoral isn't objected to, and called a lack of compassion by most Christians, is because heterosexual fornicators and adulterers are not portrayed as being victims.

FAITH-IN-HIM · Wednesday at 11:03 AM

ozso said:
He saved them by dying in their place because the consequences of sin is death ie damnation.

No it's saying that engaging in homosexual fornication is a sin and immoral and that unrepentant sin and immorality leads to condemnation. Would you call it a lack of compassion if I told a couple of heterosexuals that fornication is a sin and immoral and that they need to repent? Or if I told someone committing adultery that they are sinning and that adultery is immoral and that they need to quit it and repent?

The reason why calling heterosexual fornication and adultery sinful and immoral isn't objected to, and called a lack of compassion, by most Christians, is because heterosexual fornicators and adulterers are not portrayed as being victims.

Thank you. you have made some good point.

BCP1928 · Wednesday at 11:04 AM

ozso said:
He saved them by dying in their place because the consequences of sin is death ie damnation.

No it's saying that engaging in homosexual fornication is a sin and immoral and that unrepentant sin and immorality leads to condemnation. Would you call it a lack of compassion if I told a couple of heterosexuals that fornication is a sin and immoral and that they need to repent? Or if I told someone committing adultery that they sinning and that adultery is immoral and that they need to quit it and repent?

The reason why calling heterosexual fornication and adultery sinful and immoral isn't objected to, and called a lack of compassion, by most Christians, is because heterosexual fornicators and adulterers are not portrayed as being victims.

Why not? They are victims of sin and unrepentant. Yet you tolerate unrepentant fornicaters and adulterers in society, even bake cakes for them without complaint. Why the difference?

ozso · Wednesday at 11:19 AM

BCP1928 said:
Why not? They are victims of sin and unrepentant.

No, they are perpetrators of sin.

BCP1928 said:
Yet you tolerate unrepentant fornicaters and adulterers in society, even bake cakes for them without complaint. Why the difference?

No, that is not tolerated by Christians. If a heterosexual couple who are members of a church keep on fornicating, they'll be asked to leave and not come back until they repent. Even non-christians call it "living in sin". And adultery is condemned even by non-christians. Whereas homosexual fornication is supposed be celebrated. An entire month is dedicated towards celebrating it and having parades for it.

BCP1928 · Wednesday at 11:35 AM

ozso said:
No, they are perpetrators of sin.

No, that is not tolerated by Christians. If a heterosexual couple who are members of a church keep on fornicating, they'll be asked to leave and not come back until they repent. Even non-christians call it "living in sin".

Not so much any more, but you still tolerate them. You don't have to tolerate them or even admit them to your church if you don't want to, but unless what they are doing is illegal you have to tolerate them elsewhere.

ozso said:
And adultery is condemned even by non-christians. Whereas homosexual fornication is supposed be celebrated. An entire month is dedicated towards celebrating it and having parades for it.

Right, but you still tolerate adulterers. You don't have to celebrate adulterers, you just have to get along with them in public--which is no more than what you are being asked to do with respect to homosexuality

Oompa Loompa · Wednesday at 11:37 AM

FAITH-IN-HIM said:
I could not agree more, sports teams should focus on playing the game and not get involved in Pride Month or LGBTQ issues.

Does this imply that an American sports team cannot support a political or social issue they care about without facing threats from legislators? Is that the type of country where you want to live, where legislators threaten private citizens or sporting clubs if their ideologies differ?

I dont think legislation should be necessary. Just give them the Bud Light treatment.

The IbanezerScrooge · Wednesday at 12:09 PM

Oompa Loompa said:
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Yeah, we know. We get it. We see the fruits.

durangodawood · Wednesday at 12:14 PM

ozso said:
Wearing a bathing suit is not a sin.

What about using sexual attraction to sell stuff?

RileyG · Wednesday at 12:26 PM

Belk said:
What on earth does your question have to do with the case at hand? The person in this case a government representative promising government action in response to someone expressing an opinion on gay rights. You do understand how that falls afoul the first amendment, yes?

Yes.

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