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They deny the Saving Efficacy of the Death of Christ !

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In the last days on the brink of the return of Christ to gather His People, there will be wide spread apostacy in religion wherein they will speak as though they honor the Lord Jesus Christ, but in reality they dishonor Him in His Person and Work, and deny the Saving Power of His Death. Paul writes 2 Tim 3:5

Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away.

They deny the Power of Godliness by denying the Saving Power/Efficacy of the Death/Blood of Christ. This they do by teaching that sinners Christ died for remain lost and condemned. This teaching is a great dishonor to the Person and Work of Jesus Christ. I will in this thread post scriptures that Testify to the Saving Death of Christ, yes His Death in and of itself, secured and brings about the Salvation of each and every sinner He died for, namely His Elect, or Sheep or His Church !

First lets look at Peters writing to believers here 1 Pet 2:24

Who his own self bare our sins in his own body on the tree, that we, being dead to sins, should live unto righteousness: by whose stripes ye were healed.


The baring of our sins and His stripes are one and the same, which resulted in being healed. The word for healed iaomai means:


  1. to cure, heal
  2. to make whole
    1. to free from errors and sins, to bring about (one's) salvation

      Yes it means to bring about or accomplish or effect ones Salvation ! Thats what His Death did for them He died for. Thats why they became believers, Salvation causes belief in the Truth 2 Thess 2:13

      But we are bound to give thanks alway to God for you, brethren beloved of the Lord, because God hath from the beginning chosen you to salvation through sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the truth:
 

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In the last days on the brink of the return of Christ to gather His People, there will be wide spread apostacy in religion wherein they will speak as though they honor the Lord Jesus Christ, but in reality they dishonor Him in His Person and Work, and deny the Saving Power of His Death. Paul writes 2 Tim 3:5

Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away.

They deny the Power of Godliness by denying the Saving Power/Efficacy of the Death/Blood of Christ. This they do by teaching that sinners Christ died for remain lost and condemned. This teaching is a great dishonor to the Person and Work of Jesus Christ. I will in this thread post scriptures that Testify to the Saving Death of Christ, yes His Death in and of itself, secured and brings about the Salvation of each and every sinner He died for, namely His Elect, or Sheep or His Church !

First lets look at Peters writing to believers here 1 Pet 2:24

Who his own self bare our sins in his own body on the tree, that we, being dead to sins, should live unto righteousness: by whose stripes ye were healed.


The baring of our sins and His stripes are one and the same, which resulted in being healed. The word for healed iaomai means:


  1. to cure, heal
  2. to make whole
    1. to free from errors and sins, to bring about (one's) salvation

      Yes it means to bring about or accomplish or effect ones Salvation ! Thats what His Death did for them He died for. Thats why they became believers, Salvation causes belief in the Truth 2 Thess 2:13

      But we are bound to give thanks alway to God for you, brethren beloved of the Lord, because God hath from the beginning chosen you to salvation through sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the truth:
“He himself bore our sins” in his body on the cross, so that we might die to sins and live for righteousness; “by his wounds you have been healed.” 1 Pet 2:24

Yes, this is the theme all throughout Romans, as well, that a new righteousness, apart from the law, is given us we now enter union with Him, enabled to walk by the Spirit, under grace. And so if we're not living righteously, doing good, overcoming sin- not loving, IOW- then we must not be His, not walking by the Spirit, not connected to the life-giving Vine.
 
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“He himself bore our sins” in his body on the cross, so that we might die to sins and live for righteousness; “by his wounds you have been healed.” 1 Pet 2:24

Yes, this is the theme all throughout Romans, as well, that a new righteousness, apart from the law, is given us we now enter union with Him, enabled to walk by the Spirit, under grace. And so if we're not living righteously, doing good, overcoming sin- not loving, IOW- then we must not be His, not walking by the Spirit, not connected to the life-giving Vine.
So do you believe this will occur, be caused to occur unto everyone for whom sins He bore ? Yes or no
 
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So do you believe this will occur, be caused to occur unto everyone for whom sins He bore ? Yes or no
I believe Jesus died for the sins of the whole world. Some of us will turn to Him and remain in Him, while others will not. The rest is pretty much hypothetical.
 
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In the last days on the brink of the return of Christ to gather His People, there will be wide spread apostacy in religion wherein they will speak as though they honor the Lord Jesus Christ, but in reality they dishonor Him in His Person and Work, and deny the Saving Power of His Death. Paul writes 2 Tim 3:5

Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away.

They deny the Power of Godliness by denying the Saving Power/Efficacy of the Death/Blood of Christ. This they do by teaching that sinners Christ died for remain lost and condemned. This teaching is a great dishonor to the Person and Work of Jesus Christ. I will in this thread post scriptures that Testify to the Saving Death of Christ, yes His Death in and of itself, secured and brings about the Salvation of each and every sinner He died for, namely His Elect, or Sheep or His Church !

First lets look at Peters writing to believers here 1 Pet 2:24

Who his own self bare our sins in his own body on the tree, that we, being dead to sins, should live unto righteousness: by whose stripes ye were healed.


The baring of our sins and His stripes are one and the same, which resulted in being healed. The word for healed iaomai means:


  1. to cure, heal
  2. to make whole
    1. to free from errors and sins, to bring about (one's) salvation

      Yes it means to bring about or accomplish or effect ones Salvation ! Thats what His Death did for them He died for. Thats why they became believers, Salvation causes belief in the Truth 2 Thess 2:13

      But we are bound to give thanks alway to God for you, brethren beloved of the Lord, because God hath from the beginning chosen you to salvation through sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the truth:
Apparently Peter didn't get your memo. He told the Jews who killed Jesus that God sent him to bless and to turn EVERY ONE of them from their iniquities.

"To you first, God, having raised up His Servant Jesus, sent Him to bless you, in turning away EVERY ONE of you from your iniquities." Acts 3:26

Yet not all of them were turned from his iniquities. Please stop pitting the Scripture against itself.
 
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I believe Jesus died for the sins of the whole world. Some of us will turn to Him and remain in Him, while others will not. The rest is pretty much hypothetical.
I believe you are in error sir
 
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Apparently Peter didn't get your memo. He told the Jews who killed Jesus that God sent him to bless and to turn EVERY ONE of them from their iniquities.

"To you first, God, having raised up His Servant Jesus, sent Him to bless you, in turning away EVERY ONE of you from your iniquities." Acts 3:26

Yet not all of them were turned from his iniquities. Please stop pitting the Scripture against itself.
It seems you don't understand Peter
 
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Okay there is coming a time when it will be made manifest who is in error
Yes, that's a good way to put it. And I assume that all of us will have at least some surprises at the end of the day :).
 
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Peters Testimony is in agreement with the Prophet Isaiah on the Saving Efficacy of the Death of Christ Isa 53:5

5 But he was wounded for our transgressions, he was bruised for our iniquities: the chastisement of our peace was upon him; and with his stripes we are healed.

Healed means to be saved, to have Salvation effected !
 
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