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No, it’s not bad for me. But your original statement was what I responded to. It’s not on me that you moved the goalposts.
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For those who argue for the omnibenevolence of God…
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I will give you the keys of the Kingdom of heaven.
In that case post #76 is entirely on topic with the OP as a rebuttal of the OP's false claims.
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Why? Because you took a verse out of context? I don’t think so.
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If that is true then ignorance is bliss. Stay in ignorance and live forever.
Spiritual death? Are you sure of which one?
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Except Romans 1 doesn’t allow for that.
I don’t understand your questions.
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I will give you the keys of the Kingdom of heaven.
Several verses and all in their proper context.
It is a source of amazement how context, unspecified context, is so often an excuse to ignore the scriptures so that one's favoured doctrines can be kept safe from scrutiny.
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You gave one, and I had to track it down since you gave no reference.
Context is the only way to properly understand scripture. If you pull a verse out that applies to Israel and try to make it universal, that’s ignoring context.
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I'm already joined to Christ and neither is in Paradise any longer. Christ has ascended and took the prisoners with Him.
You confuse God's ability to bring good out of bad things and what is actually good. Death is not good. If it was, it would not be thrown into the lake of fire.
Revelation 20:14
Then Death and Hades were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.
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OK so finally to my comment "death is not bad in and of itself is it?", for you and I death is not bad.
So it should be taken off God's list for disciplining any and all Christians?
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Answer me this: If there was no death and you were stuck on this earth forever, would that help you fulfill your earthly objective and/or would it help you be humble?
Death is done away with when we leave earth, so it needs to be destroyed.
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Just because God can draw a straight line with a crooked stick doesn’t mean the stick isn’t crooked.
I don’t even know what that means.
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If there was no death it would mean there was no sin so being here forever would be a blessing.
You sure are going out of your way to try and convince that death is a good thing. You are wasting your breath on this little black duck mate.
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Does death help us to turn from sinning?If there was no death it would mean there was no sin so being here forever would be a blessing.
You sure are going out of your way to try and convince that death is a good thing. You are wasting your breath on this little black duck mate.
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Do not understand your analogy.
We were talking about God using death as discipline for Christians, but as you say: death is not bad for you ( Christians).
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Just because God uses evil to accomplish His goals doesn’t make the evil a good thing.
I never said He used death for discipline. So I can’t fathom what your argument is.
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That's an argument that only confirms death is bad because death is the result of sin. So if sin is bad so is it's result.
Stop trying to make what God takes no pleasure in, what scripture calls the last enemy and what is to be thrown in the lake of fire as something good. Read my lips ... Death is not good!
Just because God can bring good from something as bad as death is a testament to His power, not a witness to the goodness of death.
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I will give you the keys of the Kingdom of heaven.
The verses here are from Isaiah and from the psalms.
Can a woman forget her infant, so as not to have pity on the son of her womb? and if she should forget, yet will not I forget thee.
Isaiah 49:15
Praise the LORD! O give thanks to the LORD, for he is good; for his steadfast love endures for ever!
Psalms 106:1
O give thanks to the LORD, for he is good; for his steadfast love endures for ever!
Psalms 107:1
Your post doesn't document the alleged context that the verses allegedly are not using.
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Curiously, your verses support the belief in particular benevolence as all three are only applicable to Israel and not all humanity.
It is not unlike the various applications of Psalm 23. If the Lord is the shepherd of each and every person on earth, that means that all people are the sheep of His pasture and the John 10 is meaningless, as well as Matthew 25 because there are no goats nor can there be.
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