47 Republicans Vote With Democrats to Protect Same-Sex Marriage

SimplyMe said:

Ah, so it is males that we should be concerned about, not a particularly sexuality -- since your stats are all about males. Again, you keep ignoring that lesbians have the lowest rates of STDs, by far.

Secondly, again, you forget the "societal acceptance" part of the statistics -- just like Blacks (which also have higher rates of STDs) there seem to be various "societal norms" that affect these types of statistics. For years gays were "locked up" and even had (what are now outlawed) "psychological" aversion treatments used against them. They are only now getting to where the have "equal rights under the law" -- though in many areas of the US they still can be discriminated against at work or trying to get housing. Again, as gays become more "mainstream," I suspect you'll see those rates decline over time.

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Exactly right. It's beyond my comprehension that you can treat a group of people so badly and then complain that some of them have problems.

rjs330 said:

Here's the facts.

This study compared prevalence rates of most common sexually transmitted diseases (STD) in heterosexual and homosexual men who made respectively 12,201 and 5324 visits to an STD clinic over 18 months. Overall, homosexual men were significantly (p < 0.001) more likely than heterosexual men to have gonorrhea (30.31% vs. 19.83%), early syphilis (1.08% vs. 0.34%) and anal warts (2.90% vs. 0.26%) but less likely to have nongonococcal urethritis (NGU) (14.63% vs. 36.40%, p < 0.001), herpes genitalis (0.93% vs. 3.65%, p < 0.001), pediculosis pubis (4.30% vs. 5.35%, p < 0.005), scabies (0.42% vs. 0.76%, p < 0.02), and genital warts (1.68% vs. 6.69%, p < 0.001). In most cases the differences in rates remained significant (p < 0.05) when corrected for age and race. It is speculated that higher rates of gonorrhea and syphilis result from a larger mean number of sexual contacts, more potential sites of infection, and more hidden and asymptomatic disease, while the lower rates of the other STD result from a lesser susceptibility of anal mucosa to the causative agent(s) of NGU, herpes genitalis, and venereal warts or from a lack of pubic apposition (pediculosis pubis).

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You mean in this study from 42 years ago? I wondered why you did not post the link.

Comparative prevalence rates of sexually transmitted diseases in heterosexual and homosexual men - PubMed

o_mlly said:

Because homosexuality affects society.

Apparently you have been fortunate enough to have not witnessed a gay pride public parade. I'd post a pic but doing so I would likely incur moderation.

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Yes, how terrifying.

Belk said:

Yes, how terrifying.

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Here's another shocking picture from the Sydney version:

Larnievc said:

I often wonder why the most vocal of the anti LGBTQ agenda seem so very very confident that they have intimate knowledge of what a gay person thinks in their internal world. Makes me think of pronouns, as well.

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I don't need to imagine. Research has shown that internal struggle is a reason for their mental health problems which are greater than the hetero population.

Just another reason not to say it's wonderful and celebratory.

Once again these things are not reasons to assault them, kill them it make it illegal.

But because it is a very difficult existence nothing should be done to make it normalized, or celebrated.

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the same time, what doesn't get brought up here is what is essentially a "heterosexual Pride parade" called Mardi Gras -- which has similar "issues" but, for some reason, doesn't create the same concern (since it isn't "the gays!!!!").

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Not in favor of Mardi gras either. It is a debauchery filled celebration. Just like gay pride. It too should not be a celebrated event. But at least people recognize it as such.

But at least we are teaching kids in schools that debauchery is wonderful, and normal. If you feel like participating in debauchery, we will celebrate it with you. In fact we will hang debauchery flags in the classroom. We will have a month long debauchery celebration and show debauchery on children's television. We will read debauchery books to kids and have books entitled Bobby has two parents who love debauchery.

SimplyMe said:

Ah, so it is males that we should be concerned about, not a particularly sexuality -- since your stats are all about males. Again, you keep ignoring that lesbians have the lowest rates of STDs, by far.

Secondly, again, you forget the "societal acceptance" part of the statistics -- just like Blacks (which also have higher rates of STDs) there seem to be various "societal norms" that affect these types of statistics. For years gays were "locked up" and even had (what are now outlawed) "psychological" aversion treatments used against them. They are only now getting to where the have "equal rights under the law" -- though in many areas of the US they still can be discriminated against at work or trying to get housing. Again, as gays become more "mainstream," I suspect you'll see those rates decline over time.

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Okay let make lesbianism normal and promote it to children is school. Let's not do the same for gay men then.

Oh I forgot, lesbians actually have more domestic violence than gay men. And more than heterosexuals.

rjs330 said:

I don't need to imagine. Research has shown that internal struggle is a reason for their mental health problems which are greater than the hetero population.

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You might find, should you wish to investigate, that mental health problems are more associated with those who feel marginalised. Those who are told that they are marginalised. Those that are told that what they feel is wrong. Not what they do, but simply what they actually feel. That their very existence is...unnatural.

There are those who, by their words, in day to day conversations, in posts on forums, in how they describe gay people, cause this sense of marginalisation felt by some of them. And then the very same people who are causing this problem try to tell us that it's an entirely natural consequence of being gay!

'As The Trevor Project states, “LGBTQ youth are not inherently prone to suicide risk because of their sexual orientation or gender identity but rather placed at higher risk because of how they are mistreated and stigmatized in society.” New Research on LGBTQ Teen Suicide Rates

Bradskii said:

Here's another shocking picture from the Sydney version:

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No more like this. And this is tame compared to other pictures I saw but cannot post here. It's nothing like what you posted. Your photo is just another example of you liking to minimize everything in this discussion.

Bradskii said:

You might find, should you wish to investigate, that mental health problems are more associated with those who feel marginalised. Those who are told that they are marginalised. Those that are told that what they feel is wrong. Not what they do, but simply what they actually feel. That their very existence is...unnatural.

There are those who, by their words, in day to day conversations, in posts on forums, in how they describe gay people, cause this sense of marginalisation felt by some of them. And then the very same people who are causing this problem try to tell us that it's an entirely natural consequence of being gay!

'As The Trevor Project states, “LGBTQ youth are not inherently prone to suicide risk because of their sexual orientation or gender identity but rather placed at higher risk because of how they are mistreated and stigmatized in society.” New Research on LGBTQ Teen Suicide Rates

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The feeling of marginalization is one of the reasons they struggle. The internal struggle of the homo vs hetero is one of the reasons.

The majority of people in the US and most places in the world accept gays. I've already proven that. They are on television and in the movies. You cant turn on a show anymore without there being a gay character or a gay story line. They have gays in kids shows. They get parades and a gay pride month. They can marry in any state. The gay community want so bad to be normal. But they can't be, because it's not. We can accept gays which most of the world does and in areas where there is even more acceptance than the US they still have mental health problems.

They never will be normal. It's a terrible struggle for them.

If we could only find that gay gene and then genetically alter it so that no child would have to go through it.

rjs330 said:

No more like this. And this is tame compared to other pictures I saw but cannot post here. It's nothing like what you posted. Your photo is just another example of you liking to minimize everything in this discussion.

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You obviously live a very sheltered life. Have you not seen the carnivals in Rio and New Orleans? Have you never been to the beach? Whether they are straight or gay events there is a lot of hedonistic displays. You seem shocked by that.

It'a bit nippy today, but when I walk down the beach later I will still see more flesh on view than anything you'd see at a Mardis Gras. I mean, what do you expect to see? Suit and ties? Long frocks?

But please feel free to post more pictures of what you find offensive. I really can't be bothered to play Mardis Gras Poker with you and trump your pictures with ones that would include (conservative) prime ministers, police, clergy, fire brigades, sports men and women...the list goes on.

rjs330 said:

The majority of people in the US and most places in the world accept gays. I've already proven that.

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What about those who use terms like abhorrent? Vile? Perverts? Child molesters? Do terms like that prompt feelings of acceptance? Or of marginalisation? How about telling a son or a daughter 'you will never be normal'.

It's a hypothetical question because it needs no response. As the answer is as obvious as it could possibly be.

You're right in saying that the majority of people in most places have no problem with homosexuality. But it's not those we are discussing, is it...

Ho hum, it's time to move on. At least until the next homosexual topic hits the boards. Then we can do this again! Only with a different twist.

Homosexuality is that can be repented of. Salvation comes to those who repent and accept Christ. The good news is there is NO sin except blasphemy that is unforgivable. The good news is Christ came to seek and save those that are lost.

Jesus said:

Then he opened their minds, so that they could understand the Tanakh,telling them, “Here is what it says: the Messiah is to suffer and to rise from the dead on the third day;and in his name repentance leading to forgiveness of sins is to be proclaimed to people from all nations, starting with Yerushalayim. - Luke 24:45-47 Bible Gateway passage: Luke 24:45-47 - Complete Jewish Bible

“The God who made the universe and everything in it, and who is Lord of heaven and earth, does not live in man-made temples;nor is he served by human hands, as if he lacked something; since it is he himself who gives life and breath and everything to everyone.“From one man he made every nation living on the entire surface of the earth, and he fixed the limits of their territories and the periods when they would flourish.God did this so that people would look for him and perhaps reach out and find him although in fact, he is not far from each one of us,‘for in him we live and move and exist.’ Indeed, as some of the poets among you have said, ‘We are actually his children.’So, since we are children of God, we shouldn’t suppose that God’s essence resembles gold, silver or stone shaped by human technique and imagination.“In the past, God overlooked such ignorance; but now he is commanding all people everywhere to turn to him from their sins.For he has set a Day when he will judge the inhabited world, and do it justly, by means of a man whom he has designated. And he has given public proof of it by resurrecting this man from the dead.” - Acts 17:24-31 Bible Gateway passage: Acts 17:24-31 - Complete Jewish Bible

From that time on, Yeshua began proclaiming, “Turn from your sins to God, for the Kingdom of Heaven is near!” - Matthew 4:17 Bible Gateway passage: Matthew 4:17 - Complete Jewish Bible

Then Yeshua began to denounce the towns in which he had done most of his miracles, because the people had not turned from their sins to God.“Woe to you, Korazin! Woe to you, Beit-Tzaidah! Why, if the miracles done in you had been done in Tzor and Tzidon, they would long ago have put on sackcloth and ashes as evidence that they had changed their ways.But I tell you it will be more bearable for Tzor and Tzidon than for you on the Day of Judgment!And you, K’far-Nachum, will you be exalted to heaven? No, you will be brought down to Sh’ol! For if the miracles done in you had been done in S’dom, it would still be in existence today.But I tell you that on the Day of Judgment it will be more bearable for the land of S’dom than for you!”It was at that time that Yeshua said, “I thank you, Father, Lord of heaven and earth, that you concealed these things from the sophisticated and educated and revealed them to ordinary folks.Yes, Father, I thank you that it pleased you to do this.“My Father has handed over everything to me. Indeed, no one fully knows the Son except the Father, and no one fully knows the Father except the Son and those to whom the Son wishes to reveal him.“Come to me, all of you who are struggling and burdened, and I will give you rest.Take my yoke upon you and learn from me, because I am gentle and humble in heart, and you will find rest for your souls.For my yoke is easy, and my burden is light.” - Matthew 11:20-30 Bible Gateway passage: Matthew 11:20-30 - Complete Jewish Bible

rjs330 said:

No more like this. And this is tame compared to other pictures I saw but cannot post here. It's nothing like what you posted. Your photo is just another example of you liking to minimize everything in this discussion.

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What do you see that’s “wrong” in this photograph?

rjs330 said:

Okay let make lesbianism normal and promote it to children is school. Let's not do the same for gay men then.

Oh I forgot, lesbians actually have more domestic violence than gay men. And more than heterosexuals.

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Homosexuality was normalised in Sodom and Gomorrah, and look what happened to them! (Genesis 19).

It was also normalised in the Grecian and Roman empires, and ultimately destroyed them. Will the same happen to our societies that are normalising them as well?

o_mlly said:

Because homosexuality affects society.

Apparently you have been fortunate enough to have not witnessed a gay pride public parade. I'd post a pic but doing so I would likely incur moderation.

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How does a parade affect society?

rjs330 said:

Research has shown that internal struggle is a reason for their mental health problems which are greater than the hetero population.

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Evidence please.

SimplyMe said:

The vast majority of Pride parades are pretty innocuous.

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Give us a principled argument as to why town officials should not deny a parade permit to the "Polyamorous Pride Parade" group? The fornicators, calling themselves euphemistically the "Hook-up Pride" people, want their parade permit too. And the "Pedophile Pride" and "inappropriate behavior with animals Pride" will be lurking about waiting to analyze your principled argument to see if they can contrive a work-around to celebrate their perversions.

As before, I expect <crickets> as a response.

o_mlly said:

It was an honest question. Somewhere in this thread you posted something about your reading problem.

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Feel free to quote me saying anything of the sort. Or admit you're just making stuff up. Or just keep pretending that these sorts of cheap rhetorical tricks are anything but that. Doesn't really matter which ... it isn't my credibility they're hurting.

rjs330 said:

I've already posted all that information in other threads on this subject. You can search for that. If you REALLY want to know. I don't know if you commented on them in the other threads or not. I don't remember. But I do know people just waived them away as if they didn't exist.

Why? Cause they don't really want the information. Unfortunately people who support sin are not willing to hear anything that shows how damaging it is.

It has a higher abuse aspect. It has a higher mental health issue. It has more depression. It has a higher level of addiction problems, drug use problems.

Gays struggle living in a heterosexual world because it IS the normal world.

When you live an abnormal life in a normal society it's difficult. When you are fighting against your internal self it causes problems. Research shows that.
When you go against biology it leads to all kinds of problems.

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That's nice.
Any chance you'll get around to posting links to this research you were claiming exists?