Is King James onlyism a heresy?

Bible Highlighter · Jan 23, 2022

bbbbbbb said:
A good friend of mine who has traveled widely in Europe told me about a church group in Germany that conducts their services entirely in English even though most of the members do not speak or write it. The reason is really rather bizarre, to say the least. The German word for angel is very similar to the word for English. They concluded that the language of angels, therefore, is Angelish (or English) and, therefore, that is God's language.

Forget Hebrew or Greek or Aramaic - just go for the English.

Actually, it is my belief that…

New Versions Hinder Missionary Activity

The new version trend is no longer a strictly American problem. Organizations like the United Bible Society and Wycliffe Bible Translators are going around the world and replacing reliable, Textus Receptus based, foriegn translations with garbage translations based on Nestle's text. Often, they will raise the money for this by implying that these nations do not have the Bible in their language, when infact, they have had it for 100+ years.

Unfortunately, when a country is hit with a new version the natives usually loose all respect for Christian missionaries and the gospel. Often, the introduction of a new version into a country will undo in a few months to a year the works that have taken several generations of missionary work to build. This is especially true in the arabic world.

One example is in Egypt where Egyptian preachers report that they are always asked by the locals, "Why do you have so many different versions of the Bible?" It does not matter how "intelligent" sounding their answer is, no amount of "scholarship" will help them here. These Egyptian people are not getting saved for one reason, that is, in their own words: "Bible translations contradict each other, how can we believe the Bible? The Koran always says the same thing."

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KJV4Reasons

bbbbbbb · Jan 23, 2022

Bible Highlighter said:
Well, they should speak and preach the Word of God in their own language. But if they were to actually understand English, it would benefit them greatly because it is a living language (Unlike Hebrew, and Greek). They can seek to read and study the King James Bible in the 1600’s English. While 1600’s English is archaic, they still relatively recent to our Modern English to figure out with an English dictionary (without any nefarious religious bias or beliefs from Modern scholars involving the original languages).

Actually, they have a perfectly excellent translation of the Bible in German by Martin Luther. It has been updated and revised over the centuries, as has the KJV, so that they no longer need to deal with archaisms such as the old script which, although very beautiful to see, is dreadfully difficult to read. It is not unlike the use of the symbol F in older English manuscripts which sometimes is used in words as we would use an s.

Like it or not, the KJV you hold in your hands and adore, is not very close to the 1611 manuscript published under the auspices of His Christian Majesty, King James I. It was updated and revised until the nineteenth century.

Bible Highlighter · Jan 23, 2022

bbbbbbb said:
Actually, they have a perfectly excellent translation of the Bible in German by Martin Luther. It has been updated and revised over the centuries, as has the KJV, so that they no longer need to deal with archaisms such as the old script which, although very beautiful to see, is dreadfully difficult to read. It is not unlike the use of the symbol F in older English manuscripts which sometimes is used in words as we would use an s.

All the editions of Luther's Bible published during Luther's lifetime did not include 1 John 5:7, Mark 11:26, and Luke 17:36 in addition to many other differences when compared to the KJV. When compared to the KJV, Luther's Bible was also missing phrases at John 19:38, James 4:6, 1 John 2:23, Revelation 18:23, and Revelation 21:26. Glenn Conjurske observed: "The fact is, (in addition to numerous other differences) there are whole verses in the King James Version which neither are nor ever have been in Luther's German" (Olde Paths, Sept., 1997, p. 212).

The King James 1611 did not remove 1 John 5:7 and these other verses.

See the problem with the whole Modern Scholarship Approach to the Bible is that you believe in the Trinity, and yet your authority is not the actual Bible in teaching you this point blank like 1 John 5:7. See, this is the goal of Rome. They want you to move away from trusting in the “Bible Alone + the Anointing to Understand It” (i.e. Sola Scriptura) and they want you to look to the priest or scholar to tell you what the Bible says. They want you to trust their footnotes that cast doubt on God’s words (Yea, hath God said,…?”). The scholar wants you to fall down and kiss their ring and hang on every word they say as the very words of God (When instead we should just simply believe God’s Word instead).

You said:
Like it or not, the KJV you hold in your hands and adore, is not very close to the 1611 manuscript published under the auspices of His Christian Majesty, King James I. It was updated and revised until the nineteenth century.

But I am not 1611 KJB Only. I believe the King James was purified seven times as Psalms 12:6-7 with seven KJB editions. The final result is the 1900 Cambridge KJB Edition.

Jipsah · Jan 23, 2022

Bible Highlighter said:
First, English is the world language.

Except for the thousands of millions who don't speak it.

A shame that God can't manage to communicate in those other languages, innit?

Then again, maybe He can! Radical concept there,huh?

Me,I harbor the suspicion that my halmoni (grandmother), and those who taught her, understood the Christian faith as well as, or perhaps a bit better, than most of the KJV thumpers I've known (with the possible exception of my other grandmother). Those two grand old matriarchs never met, but I'm of the opinion that if they had, and had been able to talk to one another, they'd have known each other as true sisters in Christ even though neither could have read a word of the other's Bible.

This is consistent with how God operated in the past in that He did not keep the Scriptures in the Hebrew for the New Testament but He preserved them in Greek (Which was the world language at that time).

Why do you suppose He keeps changing languages? Neither Hebrew nor Greek was remotely a "world language" being restricted to relatively small portions of the world's population that was literate at all, much less literate in curious foreign tongues. He seems to have bypassed better choices by passing over Latin and Chinese, either of which would have reached far wider audiences in both written and spoken forms. Why wait for a Johnny-come-lately tongue like English, which has only been around for a few centuries?

Second, this is not the sole reason why the King James Bible is the perfect Word of God.

That is a premise I still reject based upon a dearth of evidence demonstrating that it is in fact any such thing. Saying doesn't make it so, and I have a number of examples I can adduce that suport my contention that the Korean translation of Scripture is as much the Word of God as the KJV. As I said before, I believe that the claim that the KJV is the "perfect word of God" is simply a matter or jingoistic hubris. "Our Bible rules, your Bible drools, we're number one, we're number one, our Bible's red hot, your Bible ain't diddly squat". Crudely stated, perhaps, but I think it captures the sentiment of KJVO quite succinctly.

bbbbbbb · Jan 23, 2022

Jipsah said:
Except for the thousands of millions who don't speak it.

A shame that God can't manage to communicate in those other languages, innit?

Then again, maybe He can! Radical concept there,huh?

Me,I harbor the suspicion that my halmoni (grandmother), and those who taught her, understood the Christian faith as well as, or perhaps a bit better, than most of the KJV thumpers I've known (with the possible exception of my other grandmother). Those two grand old matriarchs never met, but I'm of the opinion that if they had, and had been able to talk to one another, they'd have known each other as true sisters in Christ even though neither could have read a word of the other's Bible.

Why do you suppose He keeps changing languages? Neither Hebrew nor Greek was remotely a "world language" being restricted to relatively small portions of the world's population that was literate at all, much less literate in curious foreign tongues. He seems to have bypassed better choices by passing over Latin and Chinese, either of which would have reached far wider audiences in both written and spoken forms. Why wait for a Johnny-come-lately tongue like English, which has only been around for a few centuries?

That is a premise I still reject based upon a dearth of evidence demonstrating that it is in fact any such thing. Saying doesn't make it so, and I have a number of examples I can adduce that suport my contention that the Korean translation of Scripture is as much the Word of God as the KJV. As I said before, I believe that the claim that the KJV is the "perfect word of God" is simply a matter or jingoistic hubris. "Our Bible rules, your Bible drools, we're number one, we're number one, our Bible's red hot, your Bible ain't diddly squat". Crudely stated, perhaps, but I think it captures the sentiment of KJVO quite succinctly.

"jingoistic hubris" I love that. So very true.

The Liturgist · Jan 24, 2022

bbbbbbb said:
Also quite true. This is also ironically true in Islam. There is a popular perception that Mohammed received the Q'ran from Allah intact and complete and that it remains in its original form. The reality, however, is quite different. Mohammed, being illiterate, wrote nothing, but dictated to scribes who wrote various statements on palm leaves. Nothing was carved in stone. These various statements were collected after his death and sorted out, with a large number being consigned to the fire because they were believed to be Satanic verses. With the purged remnant of verses, a book, the Q'ran, was assembled. It is not at all like the Bible, having no narrative structure, but is a rather curious and random set of statements (sutras), probably closest to the book of Proverbs in the Bible.

Salmon Rushdie, the famous Muslim author, managed to get a fatwah (a death sentence) imposed on himself by writing a book called The Satanic Verses (which is a direct reference to the writings of Mohammed which were burned prior to the establishment of the Q'ran). Thanks to the British government Mr. Rushdie has managed to life safely to the present.

Two minor nitpicks: firstly, the chapters of the Quran are called Suras, although the word is reminscent of Sutra, which refers to texts from Hinduism and other Indian religions (Buddhism, Jainism, I think, but not Sikhism; they believe their current Guru is also their collection of scriptures, the Guru Granth Sahib, which is read or chanted continually at Sikh temples).

Secondly, a fatwah is a ruling from an Islamic court. Different courts from different schools of jurisprudence, or fikhs, like the Jafari Shia, of whom the Ayatollah Khamenei, not to be confused with his hostage-taking predecessor the Ayatollah Khomenei, nor the character from Mad Max II referred to as the “Ayatollah of rock and rolla”, is at present in charge; I believe it was Khomenei who issued the fatwa against Rushdie, but eminent Islamic clerics from other fikhs, Sunni and Shia, issued concurring fikhs, placing Rushdie’s life in extreme danger. However, getting a fatwah from an Islamic judge is a routine occurrence for many observant Muslims, for example, if traveling on a long airline flight a Muslim might ask his local sheikh for a fatwah on how to pray during the trip.

Naturally, when Islamic clerics issue conflicting fatwahs, this can be very dangerous for those caught in the middle. It leads to the sort of “Iran invades Iraq, Iraq invades Iran” scenario that the very first Dilbert cartoon made light of.

The Liturgist · Jan 24, 2022

bbbbbbb said:
"jingoistic hubris" I love that. So very true.

Once again I find myself nitpicking you and @Jipsah even though I agree with your argument. Jingoism refers to a superabundance of nationalism coupled with warlike agitation; think 1930s Japan. The only people who strike me as being potential supporters of KJVOism, although in fact we have no record of this, would have been Cavaliers in the English Civil War, or more realistically, Jacobite rebels fighting to restore the Stuart dynasty and install Bonnie Prince Charlie on the throne.

Bible Highlighter · Jan 24, 2022

Jipsah said:
Except for the thousands of millions who don't speak it. A shame that God can't manage to communicate in those other languages, innit?

And the same can be said for the New Testament Scriptures were first written in Greek, which was the world language at that time. So this argument really does not hold water, my friend.

You said:
Then again, maybe He can! Radical concept there,huh?

Actually, the gospel message has not been made available into all languages let along the Bible being translated into all languages.

You said:
Me,I harbor the suspicion that my halmoni (grandmother), and those who taught her, understood the Christian faith as well as, or perhaps a bit better, than most of the KJV thumpers I've known (with the possible exception of my other grandmother). Those two grand old matriarchs never met, but I'm of the opinion that if they had, and had been able to talk to one another, they'd have known each other as true sisters in Christ even though neither could have read a word of the other's Bible.

Well, I am not one of those rare KJB Only Christians who is going to say that one must accept the KJB Only or they are not saved. I believe a person can be saved by a Modern bible and live to a certain degree in holiness and faith for Christ. The problem is in regards to further growth and further development of the faith in reference to other doctrines or truths (like: Jesus did not have faith, and Jesus did not surrender His deity or powers during His earthly ministry), and in regards to the doctrine of inerrancy, and the doctrine of preservation of God’s Word (Whereby a believer in Christ has a better chance at not falling away because they have a more sure Word that does not shape shift and change every few years).

You said:
Why do you suppose He keeps changing languages? Neither Hebrew nor Greek was remotely a "world language" being restricted to relatively small portions of the world's population that was literate at all, much less literate in curious foreign tongues. He seems to have bypassed better choices by passing over Latin and Chinese, either of which would have reached far wider audiences in both written and spoken forms. Why wait for a Johnny-come-lately tongue like English, which has only been around for a few centuries?

Because look at the result of history now. While America is not exactly perfect in regards to Christianity by any means, they did at least receive the Bible (the KJB) into public schools for a good amount of time in history whereas those other countries like China did not do so. They at least honored God’s Word enough to recognize the Bible. Today, you go to China and it’s all about Buddha. You can even see big statues of him everywhere. Here in America, you see churches with the cross symbol on them. Granted, again, that does not mean all churches in America are following the Bible correctly, but at least they are on some level honoring the Word of God by pointing others to reading and studying the Bible (even if many of them are into the false religion of Modern Scholarship and looking to a sea of Modern Bibles that all contradict each other).

You said:
That is a premise I still reject based upon a dearth of evidence demonstrating that it is in fact any such thing. Saying doesn't make it so, and I have a number of examples I can adduce that suport my contention that the Korean translation of Scripture is as much the Word of God as the KJV. As I said before, I believe that the claim that the KJV is the "perfect word of God" is simply a matter or jingoistic hubris. "Our Bible rules, your Bible drools, we're number one, we're number one, our Bible's red hot, your Bible ain't diddly squat". Crudely stated, perhaps, but I think it captures the sentiment of KJVO quite succinctly.

The KJB was translated into Korean.

Korean King James Version:
https://www.amazon.com/Korean-English-Bible-Leather-Golden/dp/B005DPPENA/

The King James is available in other languages:

Textus Receptus in Spanish (RVG 2010):
https://www.amazon.com/Santa-Biblia-Rústica-Valera-Spanish/dp/0758907567/

King James Francais in French:
Bible King James Française | King James Française

Koning Jacobus Vertaling in Dutch:
http://www.koningjacobusvertaling.org/info_english.php

Bibelen Guds Ord in Norwegian:
http://www.hermon.no/netbibelen/

Thai King James Bible Version:
The Bible (พระคัมภีร์ไทย)

Brazillian Portuguese (the BKJ):
Bíblia King James Fiel 1611

Anyways, does your Korean bible follow the Textus Receptus or the Critical Text or some other text?
Does your Korean bible have 1 John 5:7 in it?
Does your Korean bible have “son of the gods” in Daniel 3:25?

bbbbbbb · Jan 24, 2022

The Liturgist said:
Two minor nitpicks: firstly, the chapters of the Quran are called Suras, although the word is reminscent of Sutra, which refers to texts from Hinduism and other Indian religions (Buddhism, Jainism, I think, but not Sikhism; they believe their current Guru is also their collection of scriptures, the Guru Granth Sahib, which is read or chanted continually at Sikh temples).

Secondly, a fatwah is a ruling from an Islamic court. Different courts from different schools of jurisprudence, or fikhs, like the Jafari Shia, of whom the Ayatollah Khamenei, not to be confused with his hostage-taking predecessor the Ayatollah Khomenei, nor the character from Mad Max II referred to as the “Ayatollah of rock and rolla”, is at present in charge; I believe it was Khomenei who issued the fatwa against Rushdie, but eminent Islamic clerics from other fikhs, Sunni and Shia, issued concurring fikhs, placing Rushdie’s life in extreme danger. However, getting a fatwah from an Islamic judge is a routine occurrence for many observant Muslims, for example, if traveling on a long airline flight a Muslim might ask his local sheikh for a fatwah on how to pray during the trip.

Naturally, when Islamic clerics issue conflicting fatwahs, this can be very dangerous for those caught in the middle. It leads to the sort of “Iran invades Iraq, Iraq invades Iran” scenario that the very first Dilbert cartoon made light of.

Thank you. I really ought to have know better concerning sutra vs. sura and you are quite correct concerning the nature of a fatwah. I ought to have been more specific concerning the nature of the fatwah against Mr. Rushdie.

As I am sure you know there are various schools of Islamic jurisprudence which developed fairly early in the history of Islam, with the resultant violence between opposing Islamic sects.

Bible Highlighter · Jan 24, 2022

Jipsah said:
Except for the thousands of millions who don't speak it.

A shame that God can't manage to communicate in those other languages, innit?

Then again, maybe He can! Radical concept there,huh?

Me,I harbor the suspicion that my halmoni (grandmother), and those who taught her, understood the Christian faith as well as, or perhaps a bit better, than most of the KJV thumpers I've known (with the possible exception of my other grandmother). Those two grand old matriarchs never met, but I'm of the opinion that if they had, and had been able to talk to one another, they'd have known each other as true sisters in Christ even though neither could have read a word of the other's Bible.

Why do you suppose He keeps changing languages? Neither Hebrew nor Greek was remotely a "world language" being restricted to relatively small portions of the world's population that was literate at all, much less literate in curious foreign tongues. He seems to have bypassed better choices by passing over Latin and Chinese, either of which would have reached far wider audiences in both written and spoken forms. Why wait for a Johnny-come-lately tongue like English, which has only been around for a few centuries?

That is a premise I still reject based upon a dearth of evidence demonstrating that it is in fact any such thing. Saying doesn't make it so, and I have a number of examples I can adduce that suport my contention that the Korean translation of Scripture is as much the Word of God as the KJV. As I said before, I believe that the claim that the KJV is the "perfect word of God" is simply a matter or jingoistic hubris. "Our Bible rules, your Bible drools, we're number one, we're number one, our Bible's red hot, your Bible ain't diddly squat". Crudely stated, perhaps, but I think it captures the sentiment of KJVO quite succinctly.

God is Sovereign and Knows the Future
(So God is aware of the choices people will make for those who do not know the gospel or those who does not have a perfect Word to be tested and further grow more properly in their walk of faith).

Imagine a bunch of balls of light at God's feet before the Lord created everything. Now say these balls of light are the souls of everyone who has ever lived. God already knows who is going to accept Him and who is going to reject Him from looking at all these lights. So the Lord can then pick up one of these balls of light and place it it into whatever timeline or place as He so desires. For God had created a line of believers from Abraham to Joseph. What are the odds of that happening? What about the 144,000 jews in the end times who will accept Jesus mentioned in Revelation chapter 7?

Everyone of those balls of lights still has a free will choice to accept or reject God. The Lord is simply sovereign over His creation, time, and infinite possibilities to know what their decision was going to be and He has placed them into the year and place of His choosing. For it is why the Scriptures say, God had declared the end from the beginning (Isaiah 46:10).

So if they never knew of Jesus, and they died (or if they never knew of a perfect Word like the KJB), God would know that they would have never accepted the Lord anyways or God would know that they would have simply rejected a perfect Bible (and possibly even in some cases fall away because they believe there is no perfect Bible). But I believe that if a person is honestly seeking the one true God for real, then God will reveal the good news (the gospel) to them. Cornelius was a Gentile man who feared God but he knew nothing of the gospel until God sent Peter to his house. So I believe that if God knows that a Gentile will act favorably to the gospel, God will of course send someone to know the truth and the truth will set them free. I believe the same truth applies to those who are looking for the very words of God today that are perfect and without error. If they are truly seeking for a perfect Word (or perfect Bible), then God will reveal that truth to them because it is a part of the faith (i.e. It is taught in God’s Word - See: Psalms 12:6-7, and Isaiah 34:16).

bbbbbbb · Jan 24, 2022

The Liturgist said:
Once again I find myself nitpicking you and @Jipsah even though I agree with your argument. Jingoism refers to a superabundance of nationalism coupled with warlike agitation; think 1930s Japan. The only people who strike me as being potential supporters of KJVOism, although in fact we have no record of this, would have been Cavaliers in the English Civil War, or more realistically, Jacobite rebels fighting to restore the Stuart dynasty and install Bonnie Prince Charlie on the throne.

I was also aware of the meaning of jingoism, but decided to give Jipsah a broad application of the word. I think that in this particular case (English as the language of God, especially seventeenth-century British English) there is an element of jingoism in the assertion that not only does that particular language variant reign supreme over all other languages, but also a general longing for the "good old days" when the British monarchy was at its spiritual peak.

I see similar aspects in some forms of Dispensationalism which take the seven letters of Revelation and apply them to chronological periods of history, ending up with the present time being "Laodicean" versus the nineteenth century which was the golden age. This is a form of jingoism, which, although not promoting one's own culture, holds out another culture as being eminently superior to all others.

Bible Highlighter · Jan 24, 2022

Well, I am not saying that English is the superior language by any means (Anymore than Greek was the superior language at one time when it was the world language). It was simply the chosen language at the time because it was the world language. God is focused on getting people to accept what His Word says. But remember back in the days of Israel under the Old Testament (Before the Incarnation of Christ)? How was the word of God supposed to reach others who did not speak Hebrew? The Hebrews were supposed to be a light unto the Gentile world. Even in a few rare instances, we do see God stepping into save Gentiles at times. The whole point of this is to show that God is sovereign and we are to walk by faith and not by sight. We cannot use our logic and try to apply it to God’s plans and ways. We are not God to see the bigger picture. For we think everyone needs to know right now the Bible and be without excuse. But God’s thoughts are not our thoughts. There are reasons why God has not made available the gospel message to all (Let alone a perfect Word to everyone). Why?

Jeremiah 29:13
“And ye shall seek me, and find me, when ye shall search for me with all your heart.”

Bible Highlighter · Jan 24, 2022

Think the of the parable of the sower. While the parable of the sower is primarily focused on receiving the gospel message in 1 Corinthians 15:1-4 with the seed of the Communicated Word (the words of the Bible) being received into one’s heart with a person rejoicing, I believe this parable can also be applied to our acceptance of other verses in the Holy Bible, as well. For if there is a part of Scripture we do not receive or believe, the devil snatches those words out of heart and it will be as if those verses do not even exist for us (even if we read them). This is what is happening when I quote portions of Scripture like the ones below.

“And take… the sword of the Spirit, which is the word of God” (Ephesians 6:17).

For…

And…

This is why folks do not believe in a perfect Bible in any modern language today.
It is because they do not accept the Scriptures that teach these very truths.

Bible Highlighter · Jan 24, 2022

I mean, it’s pretty obvious if you see Modern bibles making Jesus appear to sin, or you see Modern bibles place the devil’s name in God’s Word where it does not belong is that they are not the real Word of God. There can be only one Word of God and not many. Not all bibles say the same thing. Your NIV and or NASB will be different in a few years to retain the copyrights (i.e. money).

Bible Highlighter · Jan 24, 2022

I think many get tripped up because of the archaic English. However, it is written:

“But God hath chosen the foolish things of the world to confound the wise; and God hath chosen the weak things of the world to confound the things which are mighty.” (1 Corinthians 1:27).

bbbbbbb · Jan 24, 2022

Bible Highlighter said:
Well, I am not saying that English is the superior language by any means (Anymore than Greek was the superior language at one time when it was the world language). It was simply the chosen language at the time because it was the world language. God is focused on getting people to accept what His Word says. But remember back in the days of Israel under the Old Testament (Before the Incarnation of Christ)? How was the word of God supposed to reach others who did not speak Hebrew? The Hebrews were supposed to be a light unto the Gentile world. Even in a few rare instances, we do see God stepping into save Gentiles at times. The whole point of this is to show that God is sovereign and we are to walk by faith and not by sight. We cannot use our logic and try to apply it to God’s plans and ways. We are not God to see the bigger picture. For we think everyone needs to know right now the Bible and be without excuse. But God’s thoughts are not our thoughts. There are reasons why God has not made available the gospel message to all (Let alone a perfect Word to everyone). Why?

Jeremiah 29:13
“And ye shall seek me, and find me, when ye shall search for me with all your heart.”

The historical reality is simply that vastly more people spoke Chinese than Greek in the first century. In actual fact, vastly more people spoke Chinese in the seventeenth century than spoke English and the same truth holds to this very day. Despite the wide dispersion of the English language there are more native speakers of Chinese, as well as Spanish, than there are of English.

YeshuaFan · Jan 24, 2022

bbbbbbb said:
Also quite true. This is also ironically true in Islam. There is a popular perception that Mohammed received the Q'ran from Allah intact and complete and that it remains in its original form. The reality, however, is quite different. Mohammed, being illiterate, wrote nothing, but dictated to scribes who wrote various statements on palm leaves. Nothing was carved in stone. These various statements were collected after his death and sorted out, with a large number being consigned to the fire because they were believed to be Satanic verses. With the purged remnant of verses, a book, the Q'ran, was assembled. It is not at all like the Bible, having no narrative structure, but is a rather curious and random set of statements (sutras), probably closest to the book of Proverbs in the Bible.

Salmon Rushdie, the famous Muslim author, managed to get a fatwah (a death sentence) imposed on himself by writing a book called The Satanic Verses (which is a direct reference to the writings of Mohammed which were burned prior to the establishment of the Q'ran). Thanks to the British government Mr. Rushdie has managed to life safely to the present.

There has NEVER been found a Koran from either the time of Muhammad, nor from ruthman, and at the present time there are over 30 known Arabic editions available today, with over 93000 differences between them, So much for the Koran being without mistakes, and unchanged past 1400 years!

YeshuaFan · Jan 24, 2022

YeshuaFan said:
There has NEVER been found a Koran from either the time of Muhammad, nor from ruthman, and at the present time there are over 30 known Arabic editions available today, with over 93000 differences between them, So much for the Koran being without mistakes, and unchanged past 1400 years!

YeshuaFan · Jan 24, 2022

Bible Highlighter said:
Actually, it is my belief that…

New Versions Hinder Missionary Activity

The new version trend is no longer a strictly American problem. Organizations like the United Bible Society and Wycliffe Bible Translators are going around the world and replacing reliable, Textus Receptus based, foriegn translations with garbage translations based on Nestle's text. Often, they will raise the money for this by implying that these nations do not have the Bible in their language, when infact, they have had it for 100+ years.

Unfortunately, when a country is hit with a new version the natives usually loose all respect for Christian missionaries and the gospel. Often, the introduction of a new version into a country will undo in a few months to a year the works that have taken several generations of missionary work to build. This is especially true in the arabic world.

One example is in Egypt where Egyptian preachers report that they are always asked by the locals, "Why do you have so many different versions of the Bible?" It does not matter how "intelligent" sounding their answer is, no amount of "scholarship" will help them here. These Egyptian people are not getting saved for one reason, that is, in their own words: "Bible translations contradict each other, how can we believe the Bible? The Koran always says the same thing."

Source:
KJV4Reasons

The Lord has used the Niv to save many multitudes past decades, as well as using esv and Nas and Nkjv to save out lost sinners!

YeshuaFan · Jan 24, 2022

pescador said:
Just a reminder that the originals don't exist, or at least haven't been discovered yet. All that exist are copies, and these differ in some places. A translation cannot be a perfect rendition of the early languages, as there are too many differences between the vocabulary, verbs tenses, idioms, etc. The best we can hope for is a translation that creates in our minds what it created in the original hearers.

By definition, that excludes the King James translation, as none of those who lived in the 17th Century are alive today and neither is their archaic Englyshe.

the KJVO keep on using the bible references to His word being perfected, but that always refers to the Originals, as that does not refer to any translations !

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