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HARK! · Jan 20, 2022

Torah Keeper said:
Humble Penny, while I appreciate your conversations, this calendar of yours is in error. I am not new to the so called "Essene/Enoch/Jubilees" or whatever you call it calendar. But I do not believe it is Biblical.

I started a thread on the Book of Enoch here:

The Book of Enoch

Here is an excerpt from that thread which highlights points that Zachary Bauer presents in Part 2 of his video series on this topic:

Part 2:

Enoch is the most quoted book in your Bible, that is not in your Bible.

If you look up the most quoted book in your Bible, you will find Psalms, which is quoted, or eluded to, 68 times.

After that, Isaiah at 55 times, then Deuteronomy, and so on.

The Book of Enoch, however, is quoted, or eluded to, over 100 times in the B'rit Chadashah alone.

The Loss and Discovery of Enoch

The 1st and 2nd century church fathers held the Book of Enich in high regard.

Justin Martyr of Rome 100-165 AD
Origen of Alexandria 185-253 AD
Athenagoras of Athens (incuded Enoch among the Prophet Books)
Clement of Alexandria 150-215 AD
Irenaeus of Smyrna 130-202 AD
Tertullian of Carthage 155-240 AD - Called the book "SCRIPTURE" Wrote the Jews had rejected Enoch because it pointed to Yahshua being Messiah.

The case can also be made that, before Yahshua, many Jewish authorities held Enoch in high regard. The reason it was discounted for the same reason that many people discount Isaiah 53. They don't like all of the Yahshua Messiah talk.

THE LOSS OF ENOCH

"Some Jews accepted and some rejected the idea of a divine Messiah. The Similitudes [of the Book of Enoch] are evidence for the tradition of the interpretation of the Son of Man as such a divine person, the tradition that fed into the Jesus movement as well" ~ Daniel Boyarin The Jewish Gospels The Story of the Jewish Christ; 2012 p. 1, 5-6

"But since Enoch in the same scripture has preached likewise concerning the Lord, nothing at all must be rejected by us; as we read that "every Scripture suitable for edification as divinely inspired." [110] By the Jews it may now seem to have been rejected for that (very) reason, ~ Tertullian
(The Apparel of Women"; Fathers if the Church 3,1,1-3)

These two sources say that the Jews rejected Enoch because they didn't like the Messiah talk.

So why did the Christians reject it. They didn't like the Angel talk.

The Christian council of Laodicea in 336 AD didn't like all of the mentions of angels mating with women. The council declared the book to be discredited and thus fell out of favor.

1st and 2nd century: Church Fathers, "Enoch OK." 3rd and 4th centuries: They start throwing books out. They almost took out Jude and Revelation, and there were a couple of other books that barely made the cut.

The Book of Enoch passed away; as being in possession of it was deemed heresy, punishable by death.

Over 1000 years later, in 1773, James Bruce discovers 3 copies on Ethiopia, at a Christian monastery.

He brings them back. He drops one off in Paris, one in Oxford England; and he takes the third home to Scotland.

They sit there for about 100 years; because the people who got the books looked through them and said; "this is mostly quoting the New Testament. This is obviously post NT. This isn't worth our time." They set it aside. It wasn't a big deal, until the Qumran scrolls were discovered, which predate the NT.

So the scholars were wrong.

They found everything to support the copies that James Bruce discovered, except the Similitudes; so the scholars said the the Similitudes were added later. The problem, is that in cave 11, at Qumran a complete copy of the Book of Enoch was found. which does include the Parables of Enoch, all of the Messiah Yahshua talk.

Wrong again.

"No trace of the Parables of Enoch has been discovered at Qumran*, and it is widely considered today to be a composition of the latter first century C.E.. If a pre-Christain copy of the Parables were discovered, it would create a sensation"

~Michael Wise
Dead Sea Scrolls Scholar

*That he knew about at that time (Cave 11)

Scriptures

Where is Enoch quoted or eluded to?

The book of John, all of the Gospels, Revelation, Jude, Peter, Paul, Isaiah, Daniel, Leviticus and more, will mention scripture that is only found in the Book of Enoch.

(CLV) Ju 1:14
Now Enoch, the seventh from Adam, prophesies to these also, saying, "Lo! the Lord came among ten thousand of His saints,

(CLV) Ju 1:15
to do judging against all, and to expose all the irreverent concerning all their irreverent acts in which they are irreverent, and concerning all the hard words which irreverent sinners speak against Him."

Direct quote of Enoch 1:9.

And behold! He cometh with ten thousands of His holy ones
To execute judgement upon all, And to destroy all the ungodly: And to convict all flesh Of all the works of their ungodliness which they have ungodly committed, And of all the hard things which ungodly sinners have spoken against Him.

Critics will concede that Jude quoted Enoch; but then they will dismiss Enoch as a popular work of art, in the day of Jude.

They quote that verse; but they don't quote verses 6 and 7.

(CLV) Ju 1:6
Besides, messengers who keep not their own sovereignty, but leave their own habitation, He has kept in imperceptible bonds under gloom for the judging of the great day.

What made them leave their own habitation?

(CLV) Ju 1:7
As Sodom and Gomorrah and the cities about them in like manner to these committing ultra-prostitution, and coming away after other flesh, are lying before us, a specimen, experiencing the justice of fire eonian.

Strange flesh? Fornication? This lines up with what Genesis 6 tells us. They came for the women. This is quoting from Enoch.

Let's go to the next verse.

(CLV) 2Pt 2:4
For if God spares not sinning messengers, but thrusting them into the gloomy caverns of Tartarus, gives them up to be kept for chastening judging;

Angels sinned? What was their sin? What is Peter referring to? Where in the Torah and the Prophets does it talk about the angels leaving their habitation and sinning? Where is that? You won't fond it except for in the Book of Enoch; and it matches up with what Genesis 6 tells us. These are not sons of Seth. These are angels who sinned, and left their first habitation to fornicate and go after strange flesh.

Let's move on to what Yahshua said.

(CLV) Mt 25:41
"Then shall He be declaring to those also at His left, `Go from Me, you cursed, into the fire eonian, made ready for the Adversary and his messengers.

Where in the Torah does it say anything about fire reserved for angels? Save some time; and start looking in Enoch first.

Let's move on to Paul:

(CLV) 1Co 6:3
Are you not aware that we shall be judging messengers, not to mention life's affairs?

How would I know that? Where is that found in the Torah and the Prophets?

Enoch 38:1

When the congregation of the righteous shall appear,
And sinners shall be judged for their sins,
And shall be driven from the face of the earth:

Paul says it. Enoch says it.

Enoch 15:2

man and scribe of righteousness: approach hither and hear my voice. And go, say to the Watchers of heaven, who have sent thee to intercede for them: "You should intercede" for men, and not men

What's going on here?

The angels know that they messed up; so they ask Enoch to go to the Father and intercede for them; so that they might be forgiven. They know that they are in trouble; and they know that they will be judged. They want to come back. The Father tells Enoch that the angels are to intercede for men, not men for angels.

This is held up in Hebrews 1:14:

(CLV) Hb 1:14
Are they not all ministering spirits commissioned for service because of those who are about to be enjoying the allotment of salvation?

Hebrews 1:14 echos their purpose.

Here is another from Messiah:

(CLV) Mt 22:29
Now, answering, Jesus said to them, "You are deceived, not being acquainted with the scriptures, nor yet with the power of God.

(CLV) Mt 22:30
For in the resurrection neither are they marrying nor taking in marriage, but are as messengers of God in heaven.

Some will use this as a proof text that angels can't mate. We know that angels can eat. What else can they do? The angels were told not to. They were told not to fornicate with strange flesh. That doesn't mean that they can't.

Yahshua mentioned scripture.

Where in the Torah or the Prophets does it say anything about the angels and their mating abilities?

Let's save some time searching, and go straight to Enoch.

Enoch 15: 5-7

And though ye were holy, spiritual, living the eternal life, you have defiled yourselves with the blood of women, and have begotten (children) with the blood of flesh, and, as the children of men, have lusted after flesh and blood as those also do who die 5 and perish. Therefore have I given them wives also that they might impregnate them, and beget
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children by them, that thus nothing might be wanting to them on earth. But you were formerly
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spiritual, living the eternal life, and immortal for all generations of the world. And therefore I have not appointed wives for you; for as for the spiritual ones of the heaven, in heaven is their dwelling.

Yahshua calls Enoch scripture.

Let's go to Leviticus.

(CLV) Lv 16:8
Then Aaron will cast lots over the two hairy goats, one lot for Yahweh and one lot for the goat of departure.

What is the Hebrew word for scapegoat?

H5799`aza'zel

(CLV) Lv 16:21
Aaron will support his two hands on the head of the live hairy goat, confess over it all the depravities of the sons of Israel and all their transgressions in all their sins, and he will put them on the head of the hairy goat and send it away by the hand of a ready man to the wilderness.

Enoch 10:

8
Watchers have disclosed and have taught their sons. And the whole earth has been corrupted
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through the works that were taught by Azâzêl: to him ascribe all sin.' And to Gabriel said the Lord: 'Proceed against the bastards and the reprobates, and against the children of fornication: and destroy [the children of fornication and] the children of the Watchers from amongst men [and cause them to go forth]: send them one against the other that they may destroy each other in

Total coincidence.

What came first, Enoch or Leviticus? Later he will touch on the Oral Tradition.

For now Enoch 10: 4-6:

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and his seed may be preserved for all the generations of the world.' And again the Lord said to Raphael: 'Bind Azâzêl hand and foot, and cast him into the darkness: and make an opening
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in the desert, which is in Dûdâêl, and cast him therein. And place upon him rough and jagged rocks, and cover him with darkness, and let him abide there for ever, and cover his face that he may 6,7 not see light. And on the day of the great judgement he shall be cast into the fire. And heal the earth which the angels have corrupted, and proclaim the healing of the earth, that they may heal the plague, and that all the children of men may not perish through all the secret things that the

(CLV) Re 20:10
And the Adversary who is deceiving them was cast into the lake of fire and sulphur, where the wild beast and where the false prophet are also. And they shall be tormented day and night for the eons of the eons.

Enoch is in your because the people who write your Bible, the people who are in your Bible, were very familiar with it.

HARK! · Jan 20, 2022

Torah Keeper said:
Humble Penny, while I appreciate your conversations, this calendar of yours is in error. I am not new to the so called "Essene/Enoch/Jubilees" or whatever you call it calendar. But I do not believe it is Biblical.

Here you can find a thread that I started concerning the authenticity of the Book of Jubilees:

MJ Only - Jubilees is Torah According to 4Q266

Excerpts:

(For God made) XVI a Covenant with you and all Israel; therefore a
man shall bind himself by oath to return to the Law of Moses, for in it all
things are strictly defined.

As for the exact determination of their times to which Israel turns a
blind eye, behold it is strictly defined in the Book of the Divisions of
ttie Times into tlieir Jubilees and Weel<s. And on the day that a man
swears to return to the Law of Moses, the Angel of Persecution shall
cease to follow him provided that he fulfils his word: for this reason
Abraham circumcised himself on the day that he knew.

Full text of "The Dead Sea Scrolls [Complete English Translation].pdf (PDFy mirror)"

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Where did Luke get this? It's not in the Pentateuch.:

(CLV) Ac 7:30
"And, at the completion of forty years, a messenger was seen by him in the wilderness of mount Sinai, in the flame of a thorn bush fire.

It can be explained with Jubilees.

JUBILEES 48
Mosheh returns from Midian to Egypt
1 And in the sixth year of the third week of the forty-ninth jubilee you did depart and dwell (in [2372 A.M.] the land of Midian, five weeks and one year. And you did return into Egypt in the second week in the second year in the fiftieth jubilee.
2 And you yourself know what He spoke to you on [2410 A.M.] Mount Sinai, and what prince Mastema desired to do with you when you were returning into Egypt.

Don't confuse this passage with Moses wandering the desert for 40 years. He killed an Egyptian and fled to Midian for 40 years, before he came to the burning bush, before returning to Egypt.

Where did he get this?:

(CLV) Ac 7:53
who got the law for a mandate of messengers and do not maintain it!"

Again, not in the Pentateuch. Here it is:

Jubilees 1

27 And He said to the malak of the presence: Write for Mosheh from the beginning of creation till My sanctuary has been built among them for all eternity.

13 And I will hide My face from them, and I will deliver them into the hand of the Gentiles for captivity, and for a prey, and for devouring, and I will remove them from the midst of the land, and I will scatter them amongst the Gentiles.

14 And they will forget all My Torah and all My commandments and all My judgments, and will go astray as to new months, and Shabbats, and festivals, and jubilees, and ordinances.

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2 Thessalonians 2:3

Where did Paul get this expression?:

(CLV) Ga 2:15
We, who by nature are Jews, and not sinners of the nations,

Jubilees 23:23

23 And He will wake up against them the sinners of the Gentiles, who have neither mercy nor compassion, and who shall respect the person of none, neither old nor young, nor any one, for they are more wicked and strong to do evil than all the children of men. And they shall use violence against Yisrael and transgression against Yacob, And much blood shall be shed upon the earth, And there shall be none to gather and none to bury.

Perfect match.

3 Let no one deceive you by any means; for that Day will not come unless the falling away comes first, and the man of sin is revealed, the son of perdition,

John 17:12

12 While I was with them in the world, I kept them in Your name. Those whom You gave Me I have kept; and none of them is lost except the son of perdition, that the Scripture might be fulfilled.

Jubilees 10:3

3 And he prayed before YAHWEH his Sovereign Ruler, and said:
'YAHWEH of the spirits of all flesh, who have shown mercy unto me
And have saved me and my sons from the waters of the flood,
And have not caused me to perish as You did the sons of perdition;
For Your free unmerited pardon has been great towards me,
And great has been Your mercy to my soul;
Let Your free unmerited pardon be lift up upon my sons,
And let not wicked spirits rule over them
Lest they should destroy them from the earth.

This expression appears nowhere in the TaNaK.

(CLV) 2Pt 3:8
Now of this one thing you are not to be oblivious, beloved, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years and a thousand years as one day.

(CLV) Ps 90:4
For a thousand years are in Your eyes Like yesterday's day when it has passed, Or like a vigil in the night.

Close

Jubilees 4:30

30 And he lacked seventy years of one thousand years; for one thousand years are as one day in the testimony of the heavens and therefore was it written concerning the tree of knowledge: 'On the day that you eat thereof you shall die.' For this reason he did not complete the years of this day; for he died during it.

Closer

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How did John come up with this?

(CLV) Jn 1:1
In the beginning was the word, and the word was toward God, and God was the word.

(CLV) Jn 1:2
This was in the beginning toward God.

(CLV) Jn 1:3
All came into being through it, and apart from it not even one thing came into being which has come into being.

I don't see this stated in the Pentateuch. The Pharisees reject this statement; as they reject Yahshua as Messiah.

Yahshua confirms this as repeated in the Book of John.

(CLV) Jn 5:45
"Be not supposing that I shall be accusing you to the Father. He who is accusing you to the Father is Moses, on whom you rely.

(CLV) Jn 5:46
For if you believed Moses, you would believe Me, for the writes concerning Me.

(CLV) Jn 5:47
Now if you are not believing his writings, how shall you be believing My declarations?"

The Pharisees believed in the writing of the Pentateuch; but, unlike the rightful Priesthood who were exiled from the Temple, they did not believe in the writings of the Book of Jubilees.

Jubilees 16:26

And he blessed his Creator who had created him in his generation, for He had created him according to His good pleasure; for He knew and perceived that from him would arise the plant of righteousness for the eternal generations, and from him a kodesh seed, so that it should become like Him who had made all things.

HARK! · Jan 20, 2022

The above two posts are but one reason why I proposed the possibility that Yahshua and the Pharisees might have been on two different calendars.

I believe that I proposed that in the other thread. However, knowing what year Yahshua was executed could prove to be a difficult undertaking. Knowing at what time the barley was abib in that year, and exactly when the new moon was sighted could prove to be even far, far, more difficult.

Humble Penny · Jan 20, 2022

Torah Keeper said:
Humble Penny, while I appreciate your conversations, this calendar of yours is in error. I am not new to the so called "Essene/Enoch/Jubilees" or whatever you call it calendar. But I do not believe it is Biblical.

I think you are confusing what you call "Wave Sheaf Offering", which is Yom HaBikkurim (Day of Firstfruits) with Shavuot (Feast of Weeks/Pentecost). And there is nowhere in the Bible that says Shavuot is on the 15th of the 3rd month.

Well I am not sure what you were arguing then with the passages from Joshua 5 and Leviticus 23. Those passages are usually brought up by other people to show that Joshua and the Israelites couldn't have eaten grain or parched corn without having first presented their First Fruits to be waved as a a wave offering. Otherwise Moses makes it clear early on that Feast of Weeks and First Fruits are the same thing:

”You shall celebrate the Feast of Weeks, that is, the first fruits of the wheat harvest, and the Feast of Ingathering at the turn of the year.”
Exodus 34:22 NASB1995

Moses doesn't command the Israelites to observe First Fruits/Feast of Weeks on any other month except the 15th Day of the 1st Month. And the Waving of the Sheaf/First Fruits is connected to no other event than the one Moses speaks of.

Torah Keeper said:
Yes I know, thanks. But why do months exist on your calendar at all? Really there is no point because you completely ignore the moon. And why are your solar "months" 30 days anyway? Why not 15 or 60 day "months"? Why 30? Because that is the same as a usual lunar month (moon). Hmm. Think about that. Let that sink in and steep awhile. Chew on it. Why 30? Why are months 30 days? Could it be because the moon's cycle is 30 days?

Your dates only line up "perfectly" because you make them do so. But they don't. They don't line up with the moon at all.

And you have played a trick to get it to work. You pretend the first 3 days of creation were "before time", which is nonsense. The 1st day was the 1st day, regardless of whether the sun or moon existed. There was evening and there was morning, the first day. But you say "Nope! The first day was the 4th day!" Humble Penny, think about what you are following here. Yahweh counted one, two, three, four...and we all count along too. But you count zero, zero, zero, one....and that is not how Yahweh counted the first week of creation. You think the sun was needed for Yahweh to count time? He already was counting days before the sun was created. Time does not stop when we can't see the sun. The luminaries just help us keep track of time. They are not time itself.

This is almost the exact same thing lunar sabbath keepers do with their 8 and 9 day weeks. They say those extra days are not counted. Why not just admit that it is wrong?

Your calendar has blank spaces under the first 3 days of the month, and a 04 paired with a 01. You need to shift those numbers so the 01 is 01 and the rest will follow accordingly.

I don't mean to sound arrogant but I don't think you are going to convince me or probably anyone here to follow your solar 364 day calendar.

I'm sorry brother but there are no tricks in what I presented to you. I simply followed Scripture and applied sound reasoning. If you want to get down to the details then one must understand the first three words of Moses:

"In the beginning[...]"
Genesis 1:1a

This point is the very beginning of time for before God created anything only eternity existed and God dwells in eternity. If this were not so then God could not be Eternal. Not only is this the beginning of time it is also the beginning of recorded history itself, and as regards the calendar year this begins the 1st Day of the Week. Yet somehow people blunder on these points and confuse the 1st Day of the Week with the 1st Day of the Month...and this is because people fail to see that the calendar year cannot begin without the luminaries.

It is clear that time itself can begin independent of the luminaries, yet one must distinguish between two forms of time:

1) Historical Time
2) Calendrical Time

Historical Time is concerned with the beginning and end of recorded time allotted for the history of the world and all in it to exist. This is done independent of the luminaries and may be likened to a Timer which God has set to a predetermined time, and when it reaches 00:00:00 the Final Judgment comes swiftly.

Calendrical Time is concerned with the beginning and end of days and years and is dependent on the luminaries.

That said Genesis 1:1a is also the very beginning of Day 1 and must not be confused with the pagan understanding of Sunday as there were no luminaries at this time. Now concerning the light and the darkness it is clear God created the darkness before the light, and after He called the light He then separated it from the darkness and named them Day and Night. This means we are to divide the day from the night and not mix them up...and it's impossible to for the Day has Light while the Night has Darkness as it's sign. In regards to the evening and the morning, it is assumed that the day begins in the evening, but that assumption ignores the clear words from God:

"Let there be light."

This statement makes it clear that the Day begins in the morning when the light shines through the darkness and is exactly what we see in nature. God has also helped us understand that odd period between light and darkness which is referred to as twilight, so we have been given the clear order of dividing Day from Night:

Day 1 (Sunday)

Morning
Noon
Evening ("And there was evening[...]")

Twilight
Night 1

Beginning of Night
Midnight
End of Night

Twilight
Day 2 (Monday)
Morning ([...]and there was morning Day 1.")

With this orderly arrangement we see that the following morning was the beginning of the 2nd Day, and the evening was the end of Day 1/1st Day. Yet on both days there were no luminaries as our pagan days would suggest, nor was any honor paid to the Sun or Moon.

At this point we know we are at the beginning of the history of the 1st Year of the World but what season does it begin in? The 3rd Day answers that:

"Then God said, “Let the earth sprout vegetation, plants yielding seed, and fruit trees on the earth bearing fruit after their kind with seed in them”; and it was so. The earth brought forth vegetation, plants yielding seed after their kind, and trees bearing fruit with seed in them, after their kind; and God saw that it was good. There was evening and there was morning, a third day."
Genesis 1:11‭-‬13 NASB1995

Out of the 4 Seasons what time of year does new life grow from the earth? Spring! God begins the year in the Spring season which the ancients called the time of life. And the 3rd Day also marks the spring/vernal equinox. The 4th Day then brings us to the 1st Day of the 1st Month of Abib "Spring" in the 1st Year of the World:

Year 1
1st Month
01 02 03 04 05 06 07
______[01]01_________ (1st Intercalary Day)

And who does God make the leader of the luminaries? The Sun which He calls the Greater Light which rules the day, and the Moon which is the Lesser Light follows behind and rules the night, and the stars follow behind them as well: so the Moon and stars have months of 30 Days because the Sun who leads then has months of 30 Days. And since the spring equinox begins on the 3rd Day we see it has been placed at the head of the 1st Month and is not counted as a normal day. Let's lay out the rest of the year:
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SPRING
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Year 1
1st Month
01 02 03 04 05 06 07
______[01]01 02 03 04 (Spring Equinox)
05 06 07 08 09 10 11
12 13 14 15 16 17 18
19 20 21 22 23 24 25
26 27 28 29 30______

2nd Month
01 02 03 04 05 06 07
_______________01 02
03 04 05 06 07 08 09
10 11 12 13 14 15 16
17 18 19 20 21 22 23 (Flood of Noah begins)
24 25 26 27 28 29 30

3rd Month
01 02 03 04 05 06 07
01 02 03 04 05 06 07
08 09 10 11 12 13 14
15 16 17 18 19 20 21
22 23 24 25 26 27 28
29 30[01]___________
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SUMMER
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4th Month
01 02 03 04 05 06 07
______[01]01 02 03 04 (Summer Solstice)
05 06 07 08 09 10 11
12 13 14 15 16 17 18
19 20 21 22 23 24 25
26 27 28 29 30______

5th Month
01 02 03 04 05 06 07
_______________01 02
03 04 05 06 07 08 09
10 11 12 13 14 15 16
17 18 19 20 21 22 23
24 25 26 27 28 29 30

6th Month
01 02 03 04 05 06 07
01 02 03 04 05 06 07
08 09 10 11 12 13 14
15 16 17 18 19 20 21
22 23 24 25 26 27 28
29 30[01]___________
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FALL/AUTUMN
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7th Month
01 02 03 04 05 06 07
______[01]01 02 03 04 (Fall Equinox)
05 06 07 08 09 10 11
12 13 14 15 16 17 18
19 20 21 22 23 24 25
26 27 28 29 30______

8th Month
01 02 03 04 05 06 07
_______________01 02
03 04 05 06 07 08 09
10 11 12 13 14 15 16
17 18 19 20 21 22 23
24 25 26 27 28 29 30

9th Month
01 02 03 04 05 06 07
01 02 03 04 05 06 07
08 09 10 11 12 13 14
15 16 17 18 19 20 21
22 23 24 25 26 27 28
29 30[01]___________
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WINTER
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10th Month
01 02 03 04 05 06 07
______[01]01 02 03 04 (Winter Solstice)
05 06 07 08 09 10 11
12 13 14 15 16 17 18
19 20 21 22 23 24 25
26 27 28 29 30______

11th Month
01 02 03 04 05 06 07
_______________01 02
03 04 05 06 07 08 09
10 11 12 13 14 15 16
17 18 19 20 21 22 23
24 25 26 27 28 29 30

12th Month
01 02 03 04 05 06 07
01 02 03 04 05 06 07
08 09 10 11 12 13 14
15 16 17 18 19 20 21
22 23 24 25 26 27 28
29 30[01]___________
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END OF YEAR 1
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SPRING
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Year 2
1st Month
01 02 03 04 05 06 07
______[01]01 02 03 04 (Spring Equinox)
05 06 07 08 09 10 11
12 13 14 15 16 17 18
19 20 21 22 23 24 25
26 27 28 29 30______

2nd Month
01 02 03 04 05 06 07
_______________01 02
03 04 05 06 07 08 09
10 11 12 13 14 15 16
17 18 19 20 21 22 23
24 25 26 27 28 29 30 (Flood of Noah ends)

So we see that the 370 Days of Noah's Flood decisively proves the length of the year and months. And we clearly see in this beautiful calendar the perfection and beauty of God, and it matches what we read in the Dead Sea Scrolls. The Moon began as Full Moon on the 4th Day of the 1st Day of the 1st Month of the 1st Year of the world. For those who do the count properly you will also see that the 1st Lunar Month consists of 29 Days and is followed by the 2nd Lunar Month of 30 Days, and at the close of the year the 12th Lunar Month will be 30 Days.

Okay here are the passages according to the Masoretic Text which give us 370 Days:

"In the 600th year of Noah’s life, in the 2nd month, on the 17th day of the month, on the same day all the fountains of the great deep burst open, and the floodgates of the sky were opened.”
Genesis 7:11 NASB1995

"In the 7th month, on the 17th day of the month, the ark rested upon the mountains of Ararat. Now it came about in the 601st year, in the 1st month, on the 1st of the month, the water was dried up from the earth. Then Noah removed the covering of the ark, and looked, and behold, the surface of the ground was dried up. In the 2nd month, on the 27th day of the month, the earth was dry.
Genesis 8:4‭, ‬13‭-‬14 NASB1995

According to the Septuagint the Flood lasted only 360 Days:

"In the 600th year of the life of Noe, in the 2nd month, on the 27th day of the month, on this day all the fountains of the abyss were broken up, and the flood-gates of heaven were opened."
Genesis 7:11

"And the water subsided, and went off the earth, and after 150 days the water was diminished, and the ark rested in the 7th month, on the 27th day of the month, on the mountains of Ararat. And it came to pass in the 601st year of the life Noe, in the 1st month, on the 1st day of the month, the water subsided from off the earth, and Noe opened the covering of the ark which he had made, and he saw that the water had subsided from off the face of the earth. And in the 2nd month the earth was dried, on the 27th day of the month."
Genesis 8:3, 13-14

And finally we have the account of Josephus who doesnt't give the date when the Flood ended, but only when it began:

"This calamity happened in the 600th year of Noah's government, (age,) in the 2nd month, called by the Macedonians Dius, but by the Hebrews Marchesuan: for so did they order their year in Egypt. But Moses appointed that Nisan, which is the same with Xanthicus, should be the 1st month for their festivals, because he brought them out of Egypt in that month: so that this month began the year as to all the solemnities they observed to the honor of God, although he preserved the original order of the months as to selling and buying, and other ordinary affairs. Now he says that this flood began on the 27th (17th) day of the forementioned month; and this was 2,256 (1,656) years from Adam, the first man;"
Antiquities of the Jews; Book I; Chapter 3:3

When the rain ceased, the water did but just begin to abate after 150 days, (that is, on the 17th day of the 7th month,) it then ceasing to subside for a little while. After this, the ark rested on the top of a certain mountain in Armenia; which, when Noah understood, he opened it; and seeing a small piece of land about it, he continued quiet, and conceived some cheerful hopes of deliverance. But a few days afterward, when the water was decreased to a greater degree, he sent out a raven, as desirous to learn whether any other part of the earth were left dry by the water, and whether he might go out of the ark with safety; but the raven, finding all the land still overflowed, returned to Noah again. And after 7 days he sent out a dove, to know the state of the ground; which came back to him covered with mud, and bringing an olive branch: hereby Noah learned that the earth was become clear of the flood. So after he had stayed 7 more days, he sent the living creatures out of the ark; and both he and his family went out, when he also sacrificed to God, and feasted with his companions. However, the Armenians call this place, αποβατηριον The Place of Descent; for the ark being saved in that place, its remains are shown there by the inhabitants to this day."
Antiquities of the Jews; Book I; Chapter 3:5

The text highlighted in red from Josephus are edits made by either the translator of his work, or those of some unknown scribe. Otherwise we see that not only does Josephus agree with the years from Adam to the Flood, but the dates given by him show that he also was calculating a 360 Day base solar year. Maybe the unknown editors didn't want people getting the idea that the Bible supports a 360 Day Solar Year with 4 Intercalary Days.

Here are the Dead Sea Scrolls:

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As you can see the Dead Sea Scrolls were badly mutilated and therefore have huge chunks missing from them. So we don't have the genealogical records of Genesis 5 & 11 or the beginning and end of Noah's Flood.

I pray that you see I have not come to my conclusions hastily and without much thought.

Shalom.

Humble Penny · Jan 20, 2022

Humble Penny said:
There are some key words we miss from our Lord, and these words help us prove that He didn't count the first day He was buried:

“Behold, we are going up to Jerusalem; and the Son of Man will be delivered to the chief priests and scribes, and they will condemn Him to death, and will hand Him over to the Gentiles to mock and scourge and crucify Him, and on the third day He will be raised up.”
Matthew 20:18‭-‬19 NASB1995 (emphasis added mine)

"He is not here, but He has risen. Remember how He spoke to you while He was still in Galilee, saying that the Son of Man must be delivered into the hands of sinful men, and be crucified, and the third day rise again.”
Luke 24:6‭-‬7 NASB1995 (emphasis added mine)

"But we were hoping that it was He who was going to redeem Israel. Indeed, besides all this, it is the third day since these things happened."
Luke 24:21 NASB1995 (emphasis added mine)

"and said, “Sir, we remember that when He was still alive that deceiver said, ‘After three days I am to rise again.’ Therefore, give orders for the grave to be made secure until the third day, otherwise His disciples may come and steal Him away and say to the people, ‘He has risen from the dead,’ and the last deception will be worse than the first.”
Matthew 27:63‭-‬64 NASB1995 (emphasis added mine)

Notice the emphasis on everything being accomplished on the 3rd Day, the opponents and disciples of Christ clearly understood the true meaning of our Lord's words and how the count was to go for the days. I will deomnstrate that according to this understnading that Yeshua didn't count the first day He was buried as it was towards the evening, therefore the only logical conclusion would be that He counted the morning and noon periods as "1 Day"...and really when you ponder this it makes sense as God begins the day in the morning when He said, "Let there be light." so it would only be logical that this same method of counting was being used. This means we have four competing burial doctrines:

The Tuesday, Wednesday, and Thursday burial doctines complete the 3 Days and 3 Nights with Yeshua rising from the dead on either Friday, Saturday, or Sunday after 3 Days and 3 Nights. And to remain objective I will show with this correct count that the Friday burial leads to a Monday resurrection...

Tuesday Burial and Friday Resurrection

14th - Tuesday

0 Days & 1 Night

15th - Wednesday

1 Days & 2 Nights

16th - Thursday

2 Days & 3 Nights

17th - Friday

3 Days 3 Nights

Wednesday Burial and Saturday Resurrection

14th - Wednesday

0 Days & 1 Night

15th - Thursday

1 Days & 2 Nights

16th - Friday

2 Days & 3 Nights

17th - Saturday

3 Days 3 Nights

Thursday Burial and Sunday Resurrection

14th - Thursday

0 Days & 1 Night

15th - Friday

1 Days & 2 Nights

16th - Saturday

2 Days & 3 Nights

17th - Sunday

3 Days 3 Nights

Friday Burial and Sunday Resurrection

14th - Friday

0 Days & 1 Night

15th - Saturday

1 Days & 2 Nights

16th - Sunday

2 Days & 3 Nights

17th - Monday

3 Days 3 Nights

Seeing that all four burial doctrines complete the required 3 Days & 3 Nights we must ask ourselves which truly is the one to follow since they all meet the Abib 14 date...or do they? This is where Genesis 1:1-2:3 becomes crucial in seeing which of these four burial doctrines is correct and which are false:

1st Month of Abib/Spring
01 02 03 04 05 06 07
_________01 02 03 04 (God creates the luminaries)
05 06 07 08 09 10 11
12 13 14 15 16 17 18 (Passover/Feast of Unleveaned Bread)
19 20 21 22 23 24 25 (7th/8th Day of Feast of Unleavened)
26 27 28 29 30______

The calendar year can only start on the 4th Day/Wednesday since that is when God created the luminaries: therefore this marks the beginning of the 1st Day of Abib of the 1st Year of the world. What's the significane of the 6th Day/Friday?

3rd Day/Tuesday
God gathers the waters and calls them seas; and God calls the dry land from the seas and calls it earth; and God commands the earth to briong forth fruit trees, grass, plants, and herbs.

...3 Days and 3 Nights later...

6th Day/Friday
God creates animals and man from the dust of the ground making them make and female, and commanding them to be fruitful and multiply; of these creations Go makes man in His Image and Likeness and gives us dominion over the whole earth and the rest of His creation.

Adam is a type of Christ...and Revelation tells us at the end of 6,000 Years Christ will return to rule over the earth for 1,000 Years with His saints...don't know about you guys but not only does the Tuesday Burial and Friday Resurrection fit the calendar of Genesis 1:1-2:3, but it also lines up with prophectic fulfillments of Christ Yeshua.

Not my job to tell anyone what to believe but...the evidence speaks for itself...

Humble Penny said:
Well I am not sure what you were arguing then with the passages from Joshua 5 and Leviticus 23. Those passages are usually brought up by other people to show that Joshua and the Israelites couldn't have eaten grain or parched corn without having first presented their First Fruits to be waved as a a wave offering. Otherwise Moses makes it clear early on that Feast of Weeks and First Fruits are the same thing:

”You shall celebrate the Feast of Weeks, that is, the first fruits of the wheat harvest, and the Feast of Ingathering at the turn of the year.”
Exodus 34:22 NASB1995

Moses doesn't command the Israelites to observe First Fruits/Feast of Weeks on any other month except the 15th Day of the 1st Month. And the Waving of the Sheaf/First Fruits is connected to no other event than the one Moses speaks of.

I'm sorry brother but there are no tricks in what I presented to you. I simply followed Scripture and applied sound reasoning. If you want to get down to the details then one must understand the first three words of Moses:

"In the beginning[...]"
Genesis 1:1a

This point is the very beginning of time for before God created anything only eternity existed and God dwells in eternity. If this were not so then God could not be Eternal. Not only is this the beginning of time it is also the beginning of recorded history itself, and as regards the calendar year this begins the 1st Day of the Week. Yet somehow people blunder on these points and confuse the 1st Day of the Week with the 1st Day of the Month...and this is because people fail to see that the calendar year cannot begin without the luminaries.

It is clear that time itself can begin independent of the luminaries, yet one must distinguish between two forms of time:

1) Historical Time
2) Calendrical Time

Historical Time is concerned with the beginning and end of recorded time allotted for the history of the world and all in it to exist. This is done independent of the luminaries and may be likened to a Timer which God has set to a predetermined time, and when it reaches 00:00:00 the Final Judgment comes swiftly.

Calendrical Time is concerned with the beginning and end of days and years and is dependent on the luminaries.

That said Genesis 1:1a is also the very beginning of Day 1 and must not be confused with the pagan understanding of Sunday as there were no luminaries at this time. Now concerning the light and the darkness it is clear God created the darkness before the light, and after He called the light He then separated it from the darkness and named them Day and Night. This means we are to divide the day from the night and not mix them up...and it's impossible to for the Day has Light while the Night has Darkness as it's sign. In regards to the evening and the morning, it is assumed that the day begins in the evening, but that assumption ignores the clear words from God:

"Let there be light."

This statement makes it clear that the Day begins in the morning when the light shines through the darkness and is exactly what we see in nature. God has also helped us understand that odd period between light and darkness which is referred to as twilight, so we have been given the clear order of dividing Day from Night:

Day 1 (Sunday)

Morning

Noon

Evening ("And there was evening[...]")

Twilight
Night 1

Beginning of Night

Midnight

End of Night

Twilight
Day 2 (Monday)
Morning ([...]and there was morning Day 1.")

With this orderly arrangement we see that the following morning was the beginning of the 2nd Day, and the evening was the end of Day 1/1st Day. Yet on both days there were no luminaries as our pagan days would suggest, nor was any honor paid to the Sun or Moon.

At this point we know we are at the beginning of the history of the 1st Year of the World but what season does it begin in? The 3rd Day answers that:

"Then God said, “Let the earth sprout vegetation, plants yielding seed, and fruit trees on the earth bearing fruit after their kind with seed in them”; and it was so. The earth brought forth vegetation, plants yielding seed after their kind, and trees bearing fruit with seed in them, after their kind; and God saw that it was good. There was evening and there was morning, a third day."
Genesis 1:11‭-‬13 NASB1995

Out all of our 4 Seasons what time of year does new life grow from the earth? Spring! God begins the year in the Spring season which the ancients called the time of life. And the 3rd Day also marks the spring/vernal equinox. The 4th Day then brings us to the 1st Day of the 1st Month of Abib "Spring" in the 1st Year of the World:

Year 1
1st Month
01 02 03 04 05 06 07
______[01]01_________ (1st Intercalary Day)

And who does God make the leader of the luminaries? The Sun which He calls the Greater Light which rules the day, and the Moon which is the Lesser Light follows behind and rules the night, and the stars follow behind them as well: so the Moon and stars have months of 30 Days because the Sun who leads then has months of 30 Days. And since the spring equinox begins on the 3rd Day we see it has been placed at the head of the 1st Month and is not counted as a normal day. Let's lay out the rest of the year:
==================
SPRING
==================
Year 1
1st Month
01 02 03 04 05 06 07
______[01]01 02 03 04 (Spring Equinox)
05 06 07 08 09 10 11
12 13 14 15 16 17 18
19 20 21 22 23 24 25
26 27 28 29 30______

2nd Month
01 02 03 04 05 06 07
_______________01 02
03 04 05 06 07 08 09
10 11 12 13 14 15 16
17 18 19 20 21 22 23 (Flood of Noah begins)
24 25 26 27 28 29 30

3rd Month
01 02 03 04 05 06 07
01 02 03 04 05 06 07
08 09 10 11 12 13 14
15 16 17 18 19 20 21
22 23 24 25 26 27 28
29 30[01]___________
==================
SUMMER
==================
4th Month
01 02 03 04 05 06 07
______[01]01 02 03 04 (Summer Solstice)
05 06 07 08 09 10 11
12 13 14 15 16 17 18
19 20 21 22 23 24 25
26 27 28 29 30______

5th Month
01 02 03 04 05 06 07
_______________01 02
03 04 05 06 07 08 09
10 11 12 13 14 15 16
17 18 19 20 21 22 23
24 25 26 27 28 29 30

6th Month
01 02 03 04 05 06 07
01 02 03 04 05 06 07
08 09 10 11 12 13 14
15 16 17 18 19 20 21
22 23 24 25 26 27 28
29 30[01]___________
==================
FALL/AUTUMN
==================
7th Month
01 02 03 04 05 06 07
______[01]01 02 03 04 (Fall Equinox)
05 06 07 08 09 10 11
12 13 14 15 16 17 18
19 20 21 22 23 24 25
26 27 28 29 30______

8th Month
01 02 03 04 05 06 07
_______________01 02
03 04 05 06 07 08 09
10 11 12 13 14 15 16
17 18 19 20 21 22 23
24 25 26 27 28 29 30

9th Month
01 02 03 04 05 06 07
01 02 03 04 05 06 07
08 09 10 11 12 13 14
15 16 17 18 19 20 21
22 23 24 25 26 27 28
29 30[01]___________
==================
WINTER
==================
10th Month
01 02 03 04 05 06 07
______[01]01 02 03 04 (Winter Solstice)
05 06 07 08 09 10 11
12 13 14 15 16 17 18
19 20 21 22 23 24 25
26 27 28 29 30______

11th Month
01 02 03 04 05 06 07
_______________01 02
03 04 05 06 07 08 09
10 11 12 13 14 15 16
17 18 19 20 21 22 23
24 25 26 27 28 29 30

12th Month
01 02 03 04 05 06 07
01 02 03 04 05 06 07
08 09 10 11 12 13 14
15 16 17 18 19 20 21
22 23 24 25 26 27 28
29 30[01]___________
==================
END OF YEAR 1
==================
==================
SPRING
==================
Year 2
1st Month
01 02 03 04 05 06 07
______[01]01 02 03 04 (Spring Equinox)
05 06 07 08 09 10 11
12 13 14 15 16 17 18
19 20 21 22 23 24 25
26 27 28 29 30______

2nd Month
01 02 03 04 05 06 07
_______________01 02
03 04 05 06 07 08 09
10 11 12 13 14 15 16
17 18 19 20 21 22 23
24 25 26 27 28 29 30 (Flood of Noah ends)

So we see that the 370 Days of Noah's Flood decisively proves the length of the year and months. And we clearly see in this beautiful calendar the perfection and beauty of God, and it matches what we read in the Dead Sea Scrolls. The Moon began as Full Moon on the 4th Day of the 1st Day of the 1st Month of the 1st Year of the world. For those who do the count properly you will also see that the 1st Lunar Month consists of 29 Days and is followed by the 2nd Lunar Month of 30 Days, and at the close of the year the 12th Lunar Month will be 30 Days.

I pray that you see I have not come to my conclusions hastily and without much thought.

Shalom.

The quotes are my work from post #38 & #104. I believe these should help us get back to the main point of HARK! OP which is to objectively discuss when the burial and resurrection of Yeshua happened. It would seem that there is much agreement because of differences of thought concerning what calendar is being used in the Word of God.

Torah Keeper · Jan 20, 2022

Humble Penny said:
You shall celebrate the Feast of Weeks, that is, the first fruits of the wheat harvest, and the Feast of Ingathering at the turn of the year.”

Yom HaBikkurim is not the same as Shavuot, no matter how your Bible version translates it. Yom HaBikkurim is the first fruits of the barley harvest. It was offered on the first Sunday after Passover.

Since Joshua and all Israel kept Passover for the first time in the promised land, they were now in the land and under laws Yahweh appointed for being in the land. You are trying to say they did not have to offer the firstfruits of barley until when? Hundreds of years later? That doesn't make any sense.

The only way for Joshua 5 to make sense, is if Passover was also on Shabbat. The next day, a Sunday, was Yom HaBikkurim. They offered the first fruits of the barley they harvested in the land. Then they were free to eat the produce of the land according to Torah.

They did not need to plant it to harvest it. Yahweh even promised they would not have to plant in order to harvest. Look at Deuteronomy 6:

10 And it shall be, when the Lord thy God shall have brought thee into the land which he sware unto thy fathers, to Abraham, to Isaac, and to Jacob, to give thee great and goodly cities, which thou buildedst not,

11 And houses full of all good things, which thou filledst not, and wells digged, which thou diggedst not, vineyards and olive trees, which thou plantedst not; when thou shalt have eaten and be full;

So they kept Passover, and the next day must have been Yom HaBikkurim. No other way around it.

Humble Penny · Jan 20, 2022

Torah Keeper said:
Yom HaBikkurim is not the same as Shavuot, no matter how your Bible version translates it. Yom HaBikkurim is the first fruits of the barley harvest. It was offered on the first Sunday after Passover.

Since Joshua and all Israel kept Passover for the first time in the promised land, they were now in the land and under laws Yahweh appointed for being in the land. You are trying to say they did not have to offer the firstfruits of barley until when? Hundreds of years later? That doesn't make any sense.

The only way for Joshua 5 to make sense, is if Passover was also on Shabbat. The next day, a Sunday, was Yom HaBikkurim. They offered the first fruits of the barley they harvested in the land. Then they were free to eat the produce of the land according to Torah.

They did not need to plant it to harvest it. Yahweh even promised they would not have to plant in order to harvest. Look at Deuteronomy 6:

10 And it shall be, when the Lord thy God shall have brought thee into the land which he sware unto thy fathers, to Abraham, to Isaac, and to Jacob, to give thee great and goodly cities, which thou buildedst not,

11 And houses full of all good things, which thou filledst not, and wells digged, which thou diggedst not, vineyards and olive trees, which thou plantedst not; when thou shalt have eaten and be full;

So they kept Passover, and the next day must have been Yom HaBikkurim. No other way around it.

I went through great lengths in post #81 to address the issue you have with Joshua 5 and Leviticus 23. And I show in that post that there were only 47 Years from the Exodus to Joshua 13-14 when Joshua divided the land among the Israelites, and gave Caleb his promised portion.

As for what you stated in your first paragraph there's no way to miss the clear words of Moses who equates Feast of Weeks with First Fruits:

"You shall celebrate the Feast of Weeks, that is, the first fruits of the wheat harvest, and the Feast of Ingathering at the turn of the year."
Exodus 34:22 NASB1995 (emphasis added mine)

We know the Feast of Ingathering is referring to the Feast of Tabernacles in the 15th Day of the 7th Month which is at the end of the year. Here it is impossible to miss the connection between the Feast of Weeks and First Fruits which falls on the 15th Day of the 3rd Month. The count of this I have addressed elsewhere in this thread.

Torah Keeper · Jan 20, 2022

Humble Penny said:
I went through great lengths in post #81 to address the issue you have with Joshua 5 and Leviticus 23. And I show in that post that there were only 47 Years from the Exodus to Joshua 13-14 when Joshua divided the land among the Israelites, and gave Caleb his promised portion.

As for what you stated in your first paragraph there's no way to miss the clear words of Moses who equates Feast of Weeks with First Fruits:

"You shall celebrate the Feast of Weeks, that is, the first fruits of the wheat harvest, and the Feast of Ingathering at the turn of the year."
Exodus 34:22 NASB1995 (emphasis added mine)

We know the Feast of Ingathering is referring to the Feast of Tabernacles in the 15th Day of the 7th Month which is at the end of the year. Here it is impossible to miss the connection between the Feast of Weeks and First Fruits which falls on the 15th Day of the 3rd Month. The count of this I have addressed elsewhere in this thread.

Can somebody please explain to Humble Penny that Yom HaBikkurim is not Shavuot?

Feasts of the Lord
23 The Lord spoke to Moses, saying, 2 “Speak to the people of Israel and say to them, These are the appointed feasts of the Lord that you shall proclaim as holy convocations; they are my appointed feasts.

The Sabbath
3 “Six days shall work be done, but on the seventh day is a Sabbath of solemn rest, a holy convocation. You shall do no work. It is a Sabbath to the Lord in all your dwelling places.

The Passover
4 “These are the appointed feasts of the Lord, the holy convocations, which you shall proclaim at the time appointed for them. 5 In the first month, on the fourteenth day of the month at twilight, is the Lord's Passover. 6 And on the fifteenth day of the same month is the Feast of Unleavened Bread to the Lord; for seven days you shall eat unleavened bread. 7 On the first day you shall have a holy convocation; you shall not do any ordinary work. 8 But you shall present a food offering to the Lord for seven days. On the seventh day is a holy convocation; you shall not do any ordinary work.”

The Feast of Firstfruits
9 And the Lord spoke to Moses, saying, 10 “Speak to the people of Israel and say to them, When you come into the land that I give you and reap its harvest, you shall bring the sheaf of the firstfruits of your harvest to the priest, 11 and he shall wave the sheaf before the Lord, so that you may be accepted. On the day after the Sabbath the priest shall wave it. 12 And on the day when you wave the sheaf, you shall offer a male lamb a year old without blemish as a burnt offering to the Lord. 13 And the grain offering with it shall be two tenths of an ephah of fine flour mixed with oil, a food offering to the Lord with a pleasing aroma, and the drink offering with it shall be of wine, a fourth of a hin. 14 And you shall eat neither bread nor grain parched or fresh until this same day, until you have brought the offering of your God: it is a statute forever throughout your generations in all your dwellings.

The Feast of Weeks
15 “You shall count seven full weeks from the day after the Sabbath, from the day that you brought the sheaf of the wave offering. 16 You shall count fifty days to the day after the seventh Sabbath. Then you shall present a grain offering of new grain to the Lord. 17 You shall bring from your dwelling places two loaves of bread to be waved, made of two tenths of an ephah. They shall be of fine flour, and they shall be baked with leaven, as firstfruits to the Lord. 18 And you shall present with the bread seven lambs a year old without blemish, and one bull from the herd and two rams. They shall be a burnt offering to the Lord, with their grain offering and their drink offerings, a food offering with a pleasing aroma to the Lord. 19 And you shall offer one male goat for a sin offering, and two male lambs a year old as a sacrifice of peace offerings. 20 And the priest shall wave them with the bread of the firstfruits as a wave offering before the Lord, with the two lambs. They shall be holy to the Lord for the priest. 21 And you shall make a proclamation on the same day. You shall hold a holy convocation. You shall not do any ordinary work. It is a statute forever in all your dwelling places throughout your generations.

Humble Penny · Jan 20, 2022

Torah Keeper said:
The only way for Joshua 5 to make sense, is if Passover was also on Shabbat. The next day, a Sunday, was Yom HaBikkurim. They offered the first fruits of the barley they harvested in the land. Then they were free to eat the produce of the land according to Torah.

You make a rookie mistake here by confusing the Sabbaths of the 1st and 7th/8th Days of the Feast of Unleavened Bread with the 7th Day/Saturday Sabbath:

1st Month
01 02 03 04 05 06 07
______[01]01 02 03 04 (Spring Equinox)
05 06 07 08 09 10 11
12 13 14 15 16 17 18 (1st Day Unleavened Bread)
19 20 21 22 23 24 25 (7th Day Unleavened Bread)
26 27 28 29 30______

What does YHWH tell Moses?

"‘Now this day will be a memorial to you, and you shall celebrate it as a feast to the Lord; throughout your generations you are to celebrate it as a permanent ordinance. 7 days you shall eat unleavened bread, but on the 1st day you shall remove leaven from your houses; for whoever eats anything leavened from the 1st day until the 7th day, that person shall be cut off from Israel. On the 1st day you shall have a holy assembly, and another holy assembly on the 7th day; no work at all shall be done on them, except what must be eaten by every person, that alone may be prepared by you. You shall also observe the Feast of Unleavened Bread, for on this very day I brought your hosts out of the land of Egypt; therefore you shall observe this day throughout your generations as a permanent ordinance.

In the 1st month, on the 14th day of the month at evening, you shall eat unleavened bread, until the 21st day of the month at evening. 7 days there shall be no leaven found in your houses; for whoever eats what is leavened, that person shall be cut off from the congregation of Israel, whether he is an alien or a native of the land. You shall not eat anything leavened; in all your dwellings you shall eat unleavened bread.’ ”
Exodus 12:14‭-‬20 NASB1995

It's very clear when Passover and Feast of Unleavened Bread are. And to be extra sure we don't mix up the sabbaths of the feasts with the 7th Day/Saturday Shabbat God gives a a clear and concise solar calendar with very specific dates and times.

Torah Keeper · Jan 20, 2022

Humble Penny said:
You make a rookie mistake here by confusing the Sabbaths of the 1st and 7th/8th Days of the Feast of Unleavened Bread with the 7th Day/Saturday Sabbath:

No I don't. And Matsa 1 and 7 are not called Sabbaths in the Torah. It just so happened that in Joshua 5, the Passover landed on the 7th day of the week. That doesn't mean I think Passover is always on the 7th day. Sometimes it is, but mostly not.

So, after reading Leviticus 23, do you still think Yom HaBikkurim is the same as Shavuot?

And do you still think Joshua 5 is irrelevant?

Humble Penny · Jan 20, 2022

Torah Keeper said:
No I don't. And Matsa 1 and 7 are not called Sabbaths in the Torah. It just so happened that in Joshua 5, the Passover landed on the 7th day of the week. That doesn't mean I think Passover is always on the 7th day. Sometimes it is, but mostly not.

So, after reading Leviticus 23, do you still think Yom HaBikkurim is the same as Shavuot?

And do you still think Joshua 5 is irrelevant?

The rest days of the feasts aren't Sabbaths yet God commanded them to do no work just as they are forbidden on the 7th Day/Saturday?

I wonder why YHWH tells Moses this in regards to the Day of Atonement?

"You shall do no work at all. It is to be a perpetual statute throughout your generations in all your dwelling places. It is to be a sabbath of complete rest to you, and you shall humble your souls; on the ninth of the month at evening, from evening until evening you shall keep your sabbath.”
Leviticus 23:31‭-‬32 NASB1995

Funny how these specific holy days have a command to not work on them...YHWH makes it clear here that these are treated as Sabbath days, and not to be confused with the 7th Day Sabbath on Saturday...how does God treat the 50th Day on the Feast of Weeks?

"‘You shall also count for yourselves from the day after the sabbath, from the day when you brought in the sheaf of the wave offering; there shall be 7 complete sabbaths. You shall count 50 days to the day after the 7th sabbath; then you shall present a new grain offering to the Lord. On this same day you shall make a proclamation as well; you are to have a holy convocation. You shall do no laborious work. It is to be a perpetual statute in all your dwelling places throughout your generations.'”
Leviticus 23:15‭-‬16‭, ‬21 NASB1995

So let's count the days...

Legend Key
7 Complete Sabbaths = 7 Saturdays

7 Days × 7 Saturdays = 49 Days
49 Days + 1 Day = 50 Days

Therefore this brings us to the middle of the 3rd Month on a Sunday. The only way this works is with the solar calendar I presented in post #104.

Otherwise it is clear that all of the holy convocations mentioned are treated as Sabbaths in addition to the 7th Day/Saturday Shabbat.

HARK! · Jan 20, 2022

Torah Keeper said:
Can somebody please explain to Humble Penny that Yom HaBikkurim is not Shavuot?

Humble Penny said:
I went through great lengths in post #81 to address the issue you have with Joshua 5 and Leviticus 23.

Bikkurim simply means first fruits.

All of the firstborn belong to YHWH.

There are the first fruits (bikkurim) of the barley which is on the day after the Shabbat that is after the first day of Hag Matzot. This day is called Bikkurim. There are the first fruits (bikkurim) of wheat which is called Shavuot, not Bikkurim.

Yeshua HaDerekh · Jan 20, 2022

Torah Keeper said:
Can somebody please explain to Humble Penny that Yom HaBikkurim is not Shavuot?

Its not the same. Yom haBikkurim (day of first fruits) is for the barley harvest and Shavuot (weeks) is for the wheat harvest...50 days apart with the daily counting of the omer...

HARK! · Jan 20, 2022

Torah Keeper said:
No I don't. And Matsa 1 and 7 are not called Sabbaths in the Torah.

...but they are sabbaths (days of rest). No work is to be done; just as Yom Kippurim is a shabbat.

(CLV) Lv 23:28
You shall do not work at all on this very day, for it is the day of propitiatory shelters so as to make a propitiatory shelter over you before Yahweh your Elohim.

(CLV) Lv 23:32
It is a sabbath of cessation for you, and you will humble your souls. On the ninth day of the month in the evening, from evening until evening shall you cease for your sabbath.

Torah Keeper · Jan 20, 2022

Humble Penny said:
The rest days of the feasts aren't Sabbaths yet God commanded them to do no work just as they are forbidden on the 7th Day/Saturday?

I wonder why YHWH tells Moses this in regards to the Day of Atonement?

"You shall do no work at all. It is to be a perpetual statute throughout your generations in all your dwelling places. It is to be a sabbath of complete rest to you, and you shall humble your souls; on the ninth of the month at evening, from evening until evening you shall keep your sabbath.”
Leviticus 23:31‭-‬32 NASB1995

Funny how these specific holy days have a command to not work on them...YHWH makes it clear here that these are treated as Sabbath days, and not to be confused with the 7th Day Sabbath on Saturday...how does God treat the 50th Day on the Feast of Weeks?

"‘You shall also count for yourselves from the day after the sabbath, from the day when you brought in the sheaf of the wave offering; there shall be 7 complete sabbaths. You shall count 50 days to the day after the 7th sabbath; then you shall present a new grain offering to the Lord. On this same day you shall make a proclamation as well; you are to have a holy convocation. You shall do no laborious work. It is to be a perpetual statute in all your dwelling places throughout your generations.'”
Leviticus 23:15‭-‬16‭, ‬21 NASB1995

So let's count the days...

Legend Key
7 Complete Sabbaths = 7 Saturdays

7 Days × 7 Saturdays = 49 Days
49 Days + 1 Day = 50 Days

Therefore this brings us to the middle of the 3rd Month on a Sunday. The only way this works is with the solar calendar I presented in post #104.

Otherwise it is clear that all of the holy convocations mentioned are treated as Sabbaths in addition to the 7th Day/Saturday Shabbat.

You misquoted me. I specifically said the 1st and 7th Day of Matsa are not called Sabbaths in the Torah. This is true. Look at the Hebrew for yourself. There is a command not to do servile work on those days. This is not the same as Shabbat and Atonement (Yom HaKippurim). Atonement is the only Moed that is called a Sabbath. And you cherry picked it to prove Matsa is? I was talking about Matsa. You are the one confused which days are which. Do you still think Yom HaBikkurim is Shavuot?

And I showed you Joshua 5. Your first excuse was they didn't keep Yom HaBikkurim until decades after they entered the promised land. Then you changed your excuse to say Yom HaBikkurim is Shavuot. Both of these are wrong.

I do not follow your false solar calendar. If it was so true, why did Yeshua attend the Feasts with the Jews? Why not go to Qumran instead? Why didn't Yeshua correct everyone about the calendar? And why didn't the apostles keep the Feasts according to your calendar? And why didn't the early Feast-keeping Christians keep the Feasts according to your calendar?

And I have just read some of it and Uriel seems to warn that it should not be intercalated. Also I read that the Essenes did not intercalate it. They kept the Feasts at wrong times of the year. Your idea of adding an extra week to fix it is a modern invention not kept by the Essenes. Somebody found some scrolls at Qumran and now look. And I have heard these scrolls were forgeries too. Maybe there was a real Book of Enoch and Jubilees and Jasher. But I don't think the Qumran scrolls are it. I think the Essenes were a heretical sect and Yeshua and His followers were not Essenes and they did not follow the Essene calendar. I am not sure the Essenes did either, because Josephus makes no mention of their calendar, yet he wrote about them in perhaps the most detailed description we have.

The Essenes did not believe in going to Jerusalem for the Feasts. Yeshua went to Jerusalem for the Feasts. The Essenes did not use money. Yeshua approved of using money. The Essenes had weird prayers to angels, like the angel of water and other weird things. Yeshua taught only to pray to Yahweh. The list goes on.

Yeshua also said to obey the Jewish leaders in Moses' seat. Do as they say, but not as they do. Well, they were not following the Essene calendar. So did Yeshua tell His followers to keep the wrong calendar?

Yeshua HaDerekh said:
Its not the same. Yom haBikkurim (day of first fruits) is for the barley harvest and Shavuot (weeks) is for the wheat harvest...50 days apart with the daily counting of the omer...

Thank you!

HARK! · Jan 20, 2022

Torah Keeper said:
Yeshua also said to obey the Jewish leaders in Moses' seat. Do as they say, but not as they do. Well, they were not following the Essene calendar. So did Yeshua tell His followers to keep the wrong calendar?

This raises some valid questions; but I'll say it again, The Essenes were not living at Betharaba where John the Baptist lived, and Yahshua started his ministry. The Essenes lived in En Gedi, some 30 miles walk or so through the hostile wilderness in flip flops. They were Gnostics; and none of their doctrine was found at Betharaba (Qumran for those who prefer the Muslim name).

It's my understanding that scripture was read from the Moses seat; that Yahshua was telling his disciples to obey scripture.

Humble Penny · Jan 20, 2022

Yeshua HaDerekh said:
Its not the same. Yom haBikkurim (day of first fruits) is for the barley harvest and Shavuot (weeks) is for the wheat harvest...50 days apart with the daily counting of the omer...

The Feast of First-fruits Circumcision instituted. The Promise of Isaac's Birth. Circumcision ordained for all Israel (xv. 1-34; cf. Gen. xvii.)

"XV. And in the 5th year of the week of this jubilee, in the 3rd month, in the middle of the month, Abram celebrated the feast of the first-fruits of the grain harvest. And he offered new offerings on the altar, the first-fruits of the produce, unto the Lord, an heifer and a goat and a sheep on the altar as a burnt sacrifice unto the Lord; their fruit-offerings and their drink-offerings he offered upon the altar with frankincense."

Was the Angel of the Presence who gave the Law to Moses on Mount Sinai mistaken in his understanding of the Laws of God? The only way to land in the middle of the month is if each month is a solar month of 30 Days:

30 Days / 2 = 15 Days

And what does Moses tell us in the Torah?

"You shall celebrate the Feast of Weeks, that is, the first fruits of the wheat harvest, and the Feast of Ingathering at the turn of the year."
Exodus 34:22 NASB1995 (emphasis added mine)

Moses explicity says Feast of Weeks = First Fruits.

What else does Jubilees tell us?

Noah's Sacrifice; God's Covenant with him (cf. Gen. viii. 20-ix. 17). Instructions to Moses about eating of Blood, the Feast of Weeks, etc., and Division of the Year (vi. 1-38).

"V1. And on the new month of the 3rd month he went forth from the ark, and built an altar on that mountain. And he made atonement for the earth, and took a kid and made atonement by its blood for all the guilt of the earth; for everything that had been on it had been destroyed, save those that were in the ark with Noah. And he placed the fat thereof on the altar, and he took an ox, and a goat, and a sheep and kids, and salt, and a turtle-dove, and the young of a dove, and placed a burnt sacrifice on the altar, and poured thereon an offering mingled with oil, and sprinkled wine and strewed frankincense over everything, and caused a goodly savour to arise, acceptable before the Lord[...]"

"And He gave to Noah and his sons a sign that there should not again be a flood on the earth. He set His bow in the cloud for a sign of the eternal covenant that there should not again be a flood on the earth to destroy it all the days of the earth.

For this reason it is ordained and written on the heavenly tables, that they should celebrate the feast in this month once a year, to renew the covenant every year And this whole festival was celebrated in heaven from the day of creation till the days of Noah 26 jubilees and 5 weeks of years: and Noah and his sons observed it for 7 jubilees and one week of years, till the day of Noah's death, and from the day of Noah's death his sons did away with (it) until the days of Abraham, and they ate blood.

But Abraham observed it, and Isaac and Jacob and his children observed it up to thy days, and in thy days the children of Israel forgot it until ye celebrated it anew on this mountain. And do thou command the children of Israel to observe this festival in all their generations for a commandment unto them: one day in the year in this month they shall celebrate the festival. For it is the feast of weeks and the feast of first-fruits: this feast is twofold and of a double nature: according to what is written and engraven concerning it celebrate it.

These words here are pretty clear...

For I have written in the book of the first law, in that which I have written for thee, that thou shouldst celebrate it in its season, one day in the year, and I explained to thee its sacrifices that the children of Israel should remember and should celebrate it throughout their generations in this month, one day in every year."

Humble Penny · Jan 20, 2022

Torah Keeper said:
You misquoted me. I specifically said the 1st and 7th Day of Matsa are not called Sabbaths in the Torah. This is true. Look at the Hebrew for yourself. There is a command not to do servile work on those days. This is not the same as Shabbat and Atonement (Yom HaKippurim). Atonement is the only Moed that is called a Sabbath. And you cherry picked it to prove Matsa is? I was talking about Matsa. You are the one confused which days are which. Do you still think Yom HaBikkurim is Shavuot?

And I showed you Joshua 5. Your first excuse was they didn't keep Yom HaBikkurim until decades after they entered the promised land. Then you changed your excuse to say Yom HaBikkurim is Shavuot. Both of these are wrong.

I do not follow your false solar calendar. If it was so true, why did Yeshua attend the Feasts with the Jews? Why not go to Qumran instead? Why didn't Yeshua correct everyone about the calendar? And why didn't the apostles keep the Feasts according to your calendar? And why didn't the early Feast-keeping Christians keep the Feasts according to your calendar?

And I have just read some of it and Uriel seems to warn that it should not be intercalated. Also I read that the Essenes did not intercalate it. They kept the Feasts at wrong times of the year. Your idea of adding an extra week to fix it is a modern invention not kept by the Essenes. Somebody found some scrolls at Qumran and now look. And I have heard these scrolls were forgeries too. Maybe there was a real Book of Enoch and Jubilees and Jasher. But I don't think the Qumran scrolls are it. I think the Essenes were a heretical sect and Yeshua and His followers were not Essenes and they did not follow the Essene calendar. I am not sure the Essenes did either, because Josephus makes no mention of their calendar, yet he wrote about them in perhaps the most detailed description we have.

The Essenes did not believe in going to Jerusalem for the Feasts. Yeshua went to Jerusalem for the Feasts. The Essenes did not use money. Yeshua approved of using money. The Essenes had weird prayers to angels, like the angel of water and other weird things. Yeshua taught only to pray to Yahweh. The list goes on.

Yeshua also said to obey the Jewish leaders in Moses' seat. Do as they say, but not as they do. Well, they were not following the Essene calendar. So did Yeshua tell His followers to keep the wrong calendar?

Thank you!

No one misquoted you brother and I thoroughly answered your questions and objections in the appropriate posts in this thread. Your main contention is with the solar calendar presented in Scripture.

Your whole argument rests on assumptions that the calendar is lunar, or whatever calendar you follow without even having established it biblically from Genesis 1:1-2:3 to be so.

Furthermore the priests, not the rabbis, are in charge of all of the Temple duties and carrying out of holy days. Clearly the Gospels tell us that wherever there was a conflict between what the Jews were doing and the Law of Moses He never failed to call them out.

It is interesting to note that He is contsantly rebuking the hypocritical nature of the Pharisees and the Sadducees, and the scribes. If there was a problem with the observances of the feasts we would have heard the voice of our Lord and read of Him taking action, but it is cler from the narrative that Yeshua approved of the timing of the feast days during His 30 Years on the earth.

This means that the Jews were not observing any non-solar calendar. Therefore all proponents of non-solar calendars will have to show which calendar is being spoken of in Genesis 1:1-2:3. I have made my point quite clear it is solar and gave all the proofs necessary in post #104.

Moses says twice in Dueteronomy to not add or take away from the Law he has given the children of Israel...but how many traditions have the rabbis and scribes added to be observed by the people which Moses never prescribed? And how many Laws of Moses did they have to corrupt by adding and taking away in order to make their traditions fit?

This is why Jesus says to listen to what hypocrites have to say but not to follow there hypocritical example. A rabbi is not a priest...period.

Torah Keeper · Jan 20, 2022

HARK! said:
This raises some valid questions; but I'll say it again, The Essenes were not living at Betharaba where John the Baptist lived, and Yahshua started his ministry. The Essenes lived in En Gedi, some 30 miles walk or so through the hostile wilderness in flip flops. They were Gnostics; and none of their doctrine was found at Betharaba (Qumran for those who prefer the Muslim name).

It's my understanding that scripture was read from the Moses seat; that Yahshua was telling his disciples to obey scripture.

Is it your understanding that they were keeping the solar calendar? Because I cannot find any evidence they were.

Humble Penny said:
The Feast of First-fruits Circumcision instituted. The Promise of Isaac's Birth. Circumcision ordained for all Israel (xv. 1-34; cf. Gen. xvii.)

"XV. And in the 5th year of the week of this jubilee, in the 3rd month, in the middle of the month, Abram celebrated the feast of the first-fruits of the grain harvest. And he offered new offerings on the altar, the first-fruits of the produce, unto the Lord, an heifer and a goat and a sheep on the altar as a burnt sacrifice unto the Lord; their fruit-offerings and their drink-offerings he offered upon the altar with frankincense."

Was the Angel of the Presence who gave the Law to Moses on Mount Sinai mistaken in his understanding of the Laws of God? The only way to land in the middle of the month is if each month is a solar month of 30 Days:

30 Days / 2 = 15 Days

And what does Moses tell us in the Torah?

"You shall celebrate the Feast of Weeks, that is, the first fruits of the wheat harvest, and the Feast of Ingathering at the turn of the year."
Exodus 34:22 NASB1995 (emphasis added mine)

Moses explicity says Feast of Weeks = First Fruits.

What else does Jubilees tell us?

Noah's Sacrifice; God's Covenant with him (cf. Gen. viii. 20-ix. 17). Instructions to Moses about eating of Blood, the Feast of Weeks, etc., and Division of the Year (vi. 1-38).

"V1. And on the new month of the 3rd month he went forth from the ark, and built an altar on that mountain. And he made atonement for the earth, and took a kid and made atonement by its blood for all the guilt of the earth; for everything that had been on it had been destroyed, save those that were in the ark with Noah. And he placed the fat thereof on the altar, and he took an ox, and a goat, and a sheep and kids, and salt, and a turtle-dove, and the young of a dove, and placed a burnt sacrifice on the altar, and poured thereon an offering mingled with oil, and sprinkled wine and strewed frankincense over everything, and caused a goodly savour to arise, acceptable before the Lord[...]"

"And He gave to Noah and his sons a sign that there should not again be a flood on the earth. He set His bow in the cloud for a sign of the eternal covenant that there should not again be a flood on the earth to destroy it all the days of the earth.

For this reason it is ordained and written on the heavenly tables, that they should celebrate the feast in this month once a year, to renew the covenant every year And this whole festival was celebrated in heaven from the day of creation till the days of Noah 26 jubilees and 5 weeks of years: and Noah and his sons observed it for 7 jubilees and one week of years, till the day of Noah's death, and from the day of Noah's death his sons did away with (it) until the days of Abraham, and they ate blood.

But Abraham observed it, and Isaac and Jacob and his children observed it up to thy days, and in thy days the children of Israel forgot it until ye celebrated it anew on this mountain. And do thou command the children of Israel to observe this festival in all their generations for a commandment unto them: one day in the year in this month they shall celebrate the festival. For it is the feast of weeks and the feast of first-fruits: this feast is twofold and of a double nature: according to what is written and engraven concerning it celebrate it.

These words here are pretty clear...

For I have written in the book of the first law, in that which I have written for thee, that thou shouldst celebrate it in its season, one day in the year, and I explained to thee its sacrifices that the children of Israel should remember and should celebrate it throughout their generations in this month, one day in every year."

Moses explicity says Feast of Weeks = First Fruits.

No Humble Penny. First Fruits is the name given to the day of the wave sheaf offering of barley. On the first Sunday after Passover. This is the day called First Fruits. That is it's name.

The Feast of Weeks is 50 days later. On this day, a wave sheaf offering of wheat is presented. This is the first fruits of the wheat, just as there can be a first fruits of grapes, or any crop.

But the day specifically called Yom HaBikkurim (Day of First Fruits) is the first Sunday after Passover.

I showed you in Leviticus 23. This is important to understand Joshua 5.

As for what Jubilees says, I don't agree with it as being Holy Scripture. You may as well be quoting the book of Mormon.

Look at Leviticus 23:9-14

Torah Keeper said:
Can somebody please explain to Humble Penny that Yom HaBikkurim is not Shavuot?

Feasts of the Lord
23 The Lord spoke to Moses, saying, 2 “Speak to the people of Israel and say to them, These are the appointed feasts of the Lord that you shall proclaim as holy convocations; they are my appointed feasts.

The Sabbath
3 “Six days shall work be done, but on the seventh day is a Sabbath of solemn rest, a holy convocation. You shall do no work. It is a Sabbath to the Lord in all your dwelling places.

The Passover
4 “These are the appointed feasts of the Lord, the holy convocations, which you shall proclaim at the time appointed for them. 5 In the first month, on the fourteenth day of the month at twilight, is the Lord's Passover. 6 And on the fifteenth day of the same month is the Feast of Unleavened Bread to the Lord; for seven days you shall eat unleavened bread. 7 On the first day you shall have a holy convocation; you shall not do any ordinary work. 8 But you shall present a food offering to the Lord for seven days. On the seventh day is a holy convocation; you shall not do any ordinary work.”

The Feast of Firstfruits
9 And the Lord spoke to Moses, saying, 10 “Speak to the people of Israel and say to them, When you come into the land that I give you and reap its harvest, you shall bring the sheaf of the firstfruits of your harvest to the priest, 11 and he shall wave the sheaf before the Lord, so that you may be accepted. On the day after the Sabbath the priest shall wave it. 12 And on the day when you wave the sheaf, you shall offer a male lamb a year old without blemish as a burnt offering to the Lord. 13 And the grain offering with it shall be two tenths of an ephah of fine flour mixed with oil, a food offering to the Lord with a pleasing aroma, and the drink offering with it shall be of wine, a fourth of a hin. 14 And you shall eat neither bread nor grain parched or fresh until this same day, until you have brought the offering of your God: it is a statute forever throughout your generations in all your dwellings.

The Feast of Weeks
15 “You shall count seven full weeks from the day after the Sabbath, from the day that you brought the sheaf of the wave offering. 16 You shall count fifty days to the day after the seventh Sabbath. Then you shall present a grain offering of new grain to the Lord. 17 You shall bring from your dwelling places two loaves of bread to be waved, made of two tenths of an ephah. They shall be of fine flour, and they shall be baked with leaven, as firstfruits to the Lord. 18 And you shall present with the bread seven lambs a year old without blemish, and one bull from the herd and two rams. They shall be a burnt offering to the Lord, with their grain offering and their drink offerings, a food offering with a pleasing aroma to the Lord. 19 And you shall offer one male goat for a sin offering, and two male lambs a year old as a sacrifice of peace offerings. 20 And the priest shall wave them with the bread of the firstfruits as a wave offering before the Lord, with the two lambs. They shall be holy to the Lord for the priest. 21 And you shall make a proclamation on the same day. You shall hold a holy convocation. You shall not do any ordinary work. It is a statute forever in all your dwelling places throughout your generations.

Humble Penny · Jan 20, 2022

@HARK! This thread is getting a bit out of hand and off topic. I propose that if anyone decides to claim whatever calendar they believe is the biblical one, then they must prove from Genesis 1:1-2:3 what calendar is being discussed and which of the luminaries God made leader of the year. And once they have made their points they need to show how their theories "views" add up to the 3 Days and 3 Nights required by Yeshua to rise from the dead.

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