Did Yahshua Rise on the 7th Day Shabbat...

[Yeshua HaDerekh]

Have you considered why the pilgrims returned to Emmaus, was it because the feast was over, after the 21st or did they not stay the week of the unleavened bread, being the 16th?

It was late the same day of His rising from the dead. They do not say why they were going to Emmaus. It was only 7 miles from Jerusalem.

 

[Yeshua HaDerekh]

I agree with you we cant ignore the historical evidence. They defined it on Sunday.

Easter is defined to fall on the first Sunday after the Full Moon that falls on or after the equinox or March 21. If the Full Moon is on a Sunday, Easter is celebrated on the following Sunday.

This means, we are looking for the first full moon on or after March 21, the NEXT Sunday is Easter.

Now understanding that the 15th of the first month, the 1st day of Passover week, is always the full moon when using the Lunar calendar.

It is called Pascha. The point of the discussion we were having was that it was on a SUNDAY...not which date was Passover.

 

[Filippus]

Month 1
01 02 03 04 05 06 07
_________01 02 03 04
05 06 07 08 09 10 11
12 13 14 15 16 17 18 (Passover/1st Day of Unleavened Bread)
19 20 21 22 23 24 25 (7th/8th Day of Unleavened Bread)
26 27 28 29 30______ (Wave Sheaf Offering)

It appears you are placing it on the 26. Like the Essenes? Is that to line it up with Ex19:1

Can you please give more detail?

Shalom

 

[Filippus]

It is called Pascha. The point of the discussion we were having was that it was on a SUNDAY...not which date was Passover.

Me to, I am just confirming your point that they placed Easter on a Sunday.

The Sunday after the full moon, after equinox.

And is done the same way today.

 

[Humble Penny]

It appears you are placing it on the 26. Like the Essenes? Is that to line it up with Ex19:1

Can you please give more detail?

Shalom

I'm not making it fit. I am simply taking th words of Moses from Leviticus where he tells us to end our our count on the morrow after the Sabbath, and to begin our 50 Day count on the morrow after the Sabbath. So if you count from the Sabbaths of the 1st or 7th Days of the Feast of Unleavened Bread then your 50th Day will never end on the day after the Sabbath, or the 1st Day/Sunday. You won't even get their if you count from the 19th Day of the 1st Month on the 1st Day of the Week. Therefore the only date which qualifies is the 26th Day of Abib.

Count begins on the Sunday after the Saturday and ends the day after Satuday...50 Days.

 

[Yeshua HaDerekh]

Me to, I am just confirming your point that they placed Easter on a Sunday.

The Sunday after the full moon, after equinox.

And is done the same way today.

Yes, a way for everyone to conform to one date. Many Christians were keeping it on differing dates at the time. But yes, it was always to be on a Sunday.

 

[Torah Keeper]

Welll...Feast of First Fruits is on the 15th Day of the 3rd Month..

Humble Penny, while I appreciate your conversations, this calendar of yours is in error. I am not new to the so called "Essene/Enoch/Jubilees" or whatever you call it calendar. But I do not believe it is Biblical.

I think you are confusing what you call "Wave Sheaf Offering", which is Yom HaBikkurim (Day of Firstfruits) with Shavuot (Feast of Weeks/Pentecost). And there is nowhere in the Bible that says Shavuot is on the 15th of the 3rd month.

Hebrew reads RoSH CHoDeSH or "new month" The actual Hebrew word for moon is YeReACH.

Yes I know, thanks. But why do months exist on your calendar at all? Really there is no point because you completely ignore the moon. And why are your solar "months" 30 days anyway? Why not 15 or 60 day "months"? Why 30? Because that is the same as a usual lunar month (moon). Hmm. Think about that. Let that sink in and steep awhile. Chew on it. Why 30? Why are months 30 days? Could it be because the moon's cycle is 30 days?

Your dates only line up "perfectly" because you make them do so. But they don't. They don't line up with the moon at all.

And you have played a trick to get it to work. You pretend the first 3 days of creation were "before time", which is nonsense. The 1st day was the 1st day, regardless of whether the sun or moon existed. There was evening and there was morning, the first day. But you say "Nope! The first day was the 4th day!" Humble Penny, think about what you are following here. Yahweh counted one, two, three, four...and we all count along too. But you count zero, zero, zero, one....and that is not how Yahweh counted the first week of creation. You think the sun was needed for Yahweh to count time? He already was counting days before the sun was created. Time does not stop when we can't see the sun. The luminaries just help us keep track of time. They are not time itself.

This is almost the exact same thing lunar sabbath keepers do with their 8 and 9 day weeks. They say those extra days are not counted. Why not just admit that it is wrong?

Your calendar has blank spaces under the first 3 days of the month, and a 04 paired with a 01. You need to shift those numbers so the 01 is 01 and the rest will follow accordingly.

I don't mean to sound arrogant but I don't think you are going to convince me or probably anyone here to follow your solar 364 day calendar.

 

[Filippus]

I'm not making it fit. I am simply taking th words of Moses from Leviticus where he tells us to end our our count on the morrow after the Sabbath, and to begin our 50 Day count on the morrow after the Sabbath. So if you count from the Sabbaths of the 1st or 7th Days of the Feast of Unleavened Bread then your 50th Day will never end on the day after the Sabbath, or the 1st Day/Sunday. You won't even get their if you count from the 19th Day of the 1st Month on the 1st Day of the Week. Therefore the only date which qualifies is the 26th Day of Abib.

Count begins on the Sunday after the Saturday and ends the day after Saturday...50 Days.

I am not implying you did, I am just excited that you have noticed this.

From the way, you talk you are following the Enoch calendar?

I have noticed Ex19:1 and is exploring that this is a confirmation that the 15th of the third month was the 50th day of the count?
Shalom

 

[Humble Penny]

I am not implying you did, I am just excited that you have noticed this.

From the way, you talk you are following the Enoch calendar?

I have noticed Ex19:1 and is exploring that this is a confirmation that the 15th of the third month was the 50th day of the count?
Shalom

Sorry for the misunderstanding, but yes Exodus 19:1 is the exact time of FIrst Fruits!

 

[Humble Penny]

I am not implying you did, I am just excited that you have noticed this.

From the way, you talk you are following the Enoch calendar?

I have noticed Ex19:1 and is exploring that this is a confirmation that the 15th of the third month was the 50th day of the count?
Shalom

And yes Enoch/Zadok/Priestly Order/Dead Sea Scrolls are all referring back to the same calendar introduced in Genesis 1:1-2:3:

The only way to make sense out of why the Qumran community started out the year on the 4th Day/Wednesday is if they understood that because God created the luminaries on that day is the exact time the 1st Day of Abib of the 1st Year of the world begins!

 

[Filippus]

Yes, a way for everyone to conform to one date. Many Christians were keeping it on differing dates at the time. But yes, it was always to be on a Sunday.

I agree and don't like it and in the process we have lost a great deal of detail

 

[Filippus]

Sorry for the misunderstanding, but yes Exodus 19:1 is the exact time of FIrst Fruits!

No worries.

Trying to share something the HS have shared with you isn't always easy, because not everyone follows your chain of though, I understand.

Shalom

 

[Filippus]

And yes Enoch/Zadok/Priestly Order/Dead Sea Scrolls are all referring back to the same calendar introduced in Genesis 1:1-2:3:

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The only way to make sense out of why the Qumran community started out the year on the 4th Day/Wednesday is if they understood that because God created the luminaries on that day is the exact time the 1st Day of Abib of the 1st Year of the world begins!

This was also supported by the Essenes, am I correct? Starting the count on the 26th

 

[Humble Penny]

No worries.

Trying to share something the HS have shared with you isn't always easy, because not everyone follows your chain of though, I understand.

Shalom

Lol that's exactly why I created this thread dealing with that issue ha ha ha! People have to be initiated into the Mysteries of God and Christ:

Initiation into the Mysteries

This was also supported by the Essenes, am I correct? Starting the count on the 26th

Honestly I don't know the actual name of the group, though I have heard the Essene theory is quite popular, but yes it is the exact same calendar the Qumran community was using.

 

[Torah Keeper]

Joshua 5:10-11 puts the nail in the coffin for the "Essene" calendar:
While the people of Israel were encamped at Gilgal, they kept the Passover on the fourteenth day of the month in the evening on the plains of Jericho. 11 And the day after the Passover, on that very day, they ate of the produce of the land, unleavened cakes and parched grain.

Leviticus 23:14
And bread and parched grain and ripe grain you shall not eat until this very day, until you bring the sacrifice of your God; it shall be an eternal statute for your generations in all your habitations."

Notice anything? They were not allowed to eat the produce of the land until after they made the First Fruits offering. Since they ate the produce of the land the day after Passover, it can only mean First Fruits was the day after Passover! There is no other way! First Fruits can never be the day after Passover on the "Essene" calendar. But if Joshua the prophet caused the Israelites to eat the produce before the First Fruits offering, he was guilty of causing all Israel to sin before Yahweh! Obviously he was not causing them to sin. First Fruits was the day after Passover.

 

[HARK!]

I see a potential problem right out of the gate.

‘After three days I am to rise again.’ T

Notice the emphasis on everything being accomplished on the 3rd Day,

 

[HARK!]

It appears you are placing it on the 26. Like the Essenes? Is that to line it up with Ex19:1

Can you please give more detail?

Shalom

Just as a point of reference, there is strong evidence that the Essenes were not at Betharaba. I try to avoid calling Betharaba, Qumran. Betharaba was renamed Qumran by Islam.

It is however found in scripture that this is where Yochanan the Immerser lived. There are huge mikvehs there. It is also where Yahshua began his ministry.

The Essenes living there is a die hard myth. There is strong evidence, even within the scrolls, that when the rightful Zadok Priesthood was ousted from the Temple; that they took the temple scrolls to Betharaba.

Rachel Elior presents a brilliant dissertation on this subject.

 

[Yeshua HaDerekh]

I agree and don't like it and in the process we have lost a great deal of detail

The other problem is the RCC and Eastern Orthodox are on different calendars!Some times they are on the same date while other times they are different. Many EO before 325 AD were keeping Pesakh on the 14th.

 

[Humble Penny]

The other problem is the RCC and Eastern Orthodox are on different calendars!Some times they are on the same date while other times they are different. Many EO before 325 AD were keeping Pesakh on the 14th.

Yes I remember reading a bit about this in the Church histories of Eusebius. It seemed the conflict originated out of people not accurately following the Law of Moses in terms of the exact date for Passover. And as time went by the newer believers simply followed the traditions handed down to them, and this caused a controversy between new followers and those who had studied directly under the Apostles. Theophilus of Caesarea was on such voice who openly opposed the other observances of Easter which didn't fall on Abib 14.

 

[Yeshua HaDerekh]

Yes I remember reading a bit about this in the Church histories of Eusebius. It seemed the conflict originated out of people not accurately following the Law of Moses in terms of the exact date for Passover. And as time went by the newer believers simply followed the traditions handed down to them, and this caused a controversy between new followers and those who had studied directly under the Apostles. Theophilus of Caesarea was on such voice who openly opposed the RCC)

Yes it was handed down to the Eastern churches originally from John through Polycarp (Quartodecimenism). Theophilus of Caesarea was an Eastern bishop...one of our guys The Western churches (the RCC) of Rome and Alexandria always kept "Easter" on a Sunday. In the end everyone compromised...