Refusing to be vaccinated against Covid-19 is a ’sin’ & anti-vaxxers must spend their life repenting

Andrei D said:

Well, there's an observation and there is a possible mechanism that has been shown. Therefore, the claim is at least plausible.

Abstract 10712: Mrna COVID Vaccines Dramatically Increase Endothelial Inflammatory Markers and ACS Risk as Measured by the PULS Cardiac Test: a Warning | Circulation (ahajournals.org)

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I was just looking at that journal entry this morning. The last sentence of the abstract is key:

We conclude that the mRNA vacs dramatically increase inflammation on the endothelium and T cell infiltration of cardiac muscle and may account for the observations of increased thrombosis, cardiomyopathy, and other vascular events following vaccination.

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What does it mean if the monks on Mt. Athos are getting the vaccine now?

Greece's Mount Athos elders trust God and science to protect them from COVID

GreekOrthodox said:

What does it mean if the monks on Mt. Athos are getting the vaccine now?

Greece's Mount Athos elders trust God and science to protect them from COVID

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Some of them have. Most of them haven't. Does anyone have a breakdown on vaccination per monastery?

GreekOrthodox said:

What does it mean if the monks on Mt. Athos are getting the vaccine now?

Greece's Mount Athos elders trust God and science to protect them from COVID

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There is a premise being offered here that can easily be the result of rational deception. Scientists who are atheists are not against elective abortion, which is where the fetal tissues come from for doing the research to create modern medicine. If one is able to make the connection between modern day child murder with ancient day child sacrifice, and to connect atheism with "false religion/idolatry" (consider that scientism may be idolatry, because it is an ideology), then one may realize that these medicines are inspired by the demons (false gods), and not in fact given to us by God, and that the scientists are in fact not "Gods people Israel", but are the priests of the Beelzebub, and their products are a form of "unholy Communion" of which we, as God's people Israel, are forbidden to partake of.

If the above is found to be the case, then those monastics err, tragically, and are at risk of misleading God's people.

truefiction1 said:

There is a premise being offered here that can easily be the result of rational deception. Scientists who are atheists are not against elective abortion, which is where the fetal tissues come from for doing the research to create modern medicine. If one is able to make the connection between modern day child murder with ancient day child sacrifice, and to connect atheism with "false religion/idolatry" (consider that scientism may be idolatry, because it is an ideology), then one may realize that these medicines are inspired by the demons (false gods), and not in fact given to us by God, and that the scientists are in fact not "Gods people Israel", but are the priests of the Beelzebub, and their products are a form of "unholy Communion" of which we, as God's people Israel, are forbidden to partake of.

If the above is found to be the case, then those monastics err, tragically, and are at risk of misleading God's people.

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Ah... so let me get this straight.

We have to trust the church that it is making the Godly decisions. BUT if priests, bishops, hierarchs, and monastics are all misleading us, then we need to disobey them and find the non-canonical priests, bishops, and monastics that agree with us to follow.

“Here I stand, I can do no other, so help me God. Amen." - Martin Luther

Dorothea said:

According to what I've watched yesterday, it probably has to do with keeping up the profits by Gates and Big Pharma. They don't allow negative news because Gates doesn't want to look bad.

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Does Gates really have that much to do with the covid vaccines?

GreekOrthodox said:

Ah... so let me get this straight.

We have to trust the church that it is making the Godly decisions. BUT if priests, bishops, hierarchs, and monastics are all misleading us, then we need to disobey them and find the non-canonical priests, bishops, and monastics that agree with us to follow.

“Here I stand, I can do no other, so help me God. Amen." - Martin Luther

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No, not at all. We only have to do as instructed by all the saints who left us their wisdom on how to proceed in these times, which is to study the Scriptures and teachings of the Holy Fathers, and to live by them, and to reflect upon the lives of the saints and strive to imitate them, so as not to be mislead on account of an overall absence of spiritual guides that will exist in the days preceding the false prophet and the Beast.

What we see now, is an incapacity for much of anyone to see their world through the eyes of the Word of God and the Spirit of God, and thus, the capacity for being able to discern what is good and what is evil has become rare among the hierarchy and the people. There is another factor in play also. Many in these times will not be able to bear the truth because of their friendship with the world. I have seen and heard bishops and priests do and say things that would have been unthinkable in times past. For example, one priest taped a sign over an image of the Cross of Christ that was on one of the entry doors to a parish. The sign that was made to cover the sign of the Cross stated that entry into the Church was forbidden without express permission of either the Rector or the Bishop. Christ suffered and died upon that Cross in order to invite us to Holy Communion and the Rector covered over that sign with one that uninvited Christ's sheep from coming to Holy Communion. What sort of depraved lack of devoutness is this? What that priest did was an abomination (of desolation) and it is a sign that great human sufferings are just over the horizon. Yet, neither this priest nor the bishop to whom he answers knew that what they were doing was evil. They believed that what they were doing was good. So, as we can see, some people have understanding about things that are happening all about, but many do not.

GreekOrthodox said:

then we need to disobey them and find the non-canonical priests, bishops, and monastics that agree with us to follow.

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Where did you get any suggestion of seeking out non-canonical hierarchs from the above?

Yeshua HaDerekh said:

Does Gates really have that much to do with the covid vaccines?

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Apparently he does. If you watched the video, the investigative reporter explains Gates' history with financially supporting certain vaccines in Africa and India, and the fact that he's basically bought off our media, universities, scientists and health agencies such as the WHO and others, it shows that for him and others with power and money are milking this pandemic to the nines. And he wants to keep it going to continue profiting from his "investments". Him and all the other powerful people who are on the same page as him and work with him.

Yeshua HaDerekh said:

Does Gates really have that much to do with the covid vaccines?

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I would bet anything that he does. His foundation was a major host of Event 201 in October 2019 at John Hopkins U in NY, which wargamed the response of the government’s and big business to the virus in advance. The probability seems overwhelming.

rusmeister said:

I would bet anything that he does. His foundation was a major host of Event 201 in October 2019 at John Hopkins U in NY, which wargamed the response of the government’s and big business to the virus in advance. The probability seems overwhelming.

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He also gave his personal endorsement of the so called bible on vaccination that was written by the so called godfather of vaccines. He's obviously very involved in promotion of vaccination for some reason.

My dad is in a convalescent hospital for about a month now. He requested a COVID booster from Moderna. The guy is on his third shot now. He’s 74. My best friend's dad just turned 73. He had his third shot. He’s doing great. I know teachers that are on their third, and doing fine.

My point is not that I want another shot, but that not everyone is getting myocarditis and having exploding heads. I don’t want a booster, but I’m also not seeing any problems around these here parts. We are, however, getting huge spikes in hospital capacity beds filled from COVID.

gurneyhalleck1 said:

My dad is in a convalescent hospital for about a month now. He requested a COVID booster from Moderna. The guy is on his third shot now. He’s 74. My best friend's dad just turned 73. He had his third shot. He’s doing great. I know teachers that are on their third, and doing fine.

My point is not that I want another shot, but that not everyone is getting myocarditis and having exploding heads. I don’t want a booster, but I’m also not seeing any problems around these here parts. We are, however, getting huge spikes in hospital capacity beds filled from COVID.

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Hi! I get that's what you see. As I've said before, I think your point of view quite understandable.
And for that reason, I wouldn't suggest that you are seeking to "follow antichrist", or other such accusations, because I understand that essentially none of us are acting out of bad faith or evil intention; we all honestly think what we think. Conversely, I don't see any doubters of the official narrative claiming that anyone's head is exploding. I don't even think you are saying that anyone here did, I just think it's shorthand on your part for describing the view you think mistaken as leaning toward the absurd.

My own perspective is quite different. A teacher at the school I used to work at here in town died of covid - AFTER having been vaccinated. We are aware of multiple cases here of people that we know catching it or having serious complications after said vaccinations and boosters, while a large number of people have either not been vaccinated and remained healthy or gotten covid with only mild symptoms. The official numbers of severe cases and deaths reported are very large, and have absolutely no relation to what we can see around us. That perspective strongly suggests that, at the very least, most people are better off NOT getting these new vaccines, which have had no observation of long-term effects at all. It's a different perspective, leading to a different conclusion, Gurney. I think you're the bee's knees, but I think there is enough variation of perspective to say with confidence that what you see is NOT what an awful lot of people see, and that's taking into account your wife's experience, which I by no means deny, and even respect. It's legitimate experience. But the overall picture is much broader than that relatively narrow perspective.

gurneyhalleck1 said:

My dad is in a convalescent hospital for about a month now. He requested a COVID booster from Moderna. The guy is on his third shot now. He’s 74. My best friend's dad just turned 73. He had his third shot. He’s doing great. I know teachers that are on their third, and doing fine.

My point is not that I want another shot, but that not everyone is getting myocarditis and having exploding heads. I don’t want a booster, but I’m also not seeing any problems around these here parts. We are, however, getting huge spikes in hospital capacity beds filled from COVID.

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My mum is dead now due to adverse reactions to the Covid vaccine. My daughter's husband suffered heart problems from his Covid vaccination. Two work colleagues almost died from adverse reactions to covid vaccination, one suffering a serious stroke and the other getting myocarditis. The former is now required to get a booster shot if he wants to keep his job, the latter is now on medication for the rest of his life to keep from having a heart attack. Regardless of your own experience there are hundreds of thousands of people who have suffered adverse reactions to the covid vaccinations including death.

Dorothea said:

Apparently he does. If you watched the video, the investigative reporter explains Gates' history with financially supporting certain vaccines in Africa and India, and the fact that he's basically bought off our media, universities, scientists and health agencies such as the WHO and others, it shows that for him and others with power and money are milking this pandemic to the nines. And he wants to keep it going to continue profiting from his "investments". Him and all the other powerful people who are on the same page as him and work with him.

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Hmmm...just saw a new book for sale called "The real Anthony Fauci" that seems to discuss that. It says "Bill Gates, Big Pharma and the global war on democracy and public health" by Robert F Kennedy Jr!

truefiction1 said:

He also gave his personal endorsement of the so called bible on vaccination that was written by the so called godfather of vaccines. He's obviously very involved in promotion of vaccination for some reason.

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Reminds me of a certain X-files episode...

prodromos said:

My mum is dead now due to adverse reactions to the Covid vaccine. My daughter's husband suffered heart problems from his Covid vaccination. Two work colleagues almost died from adverse reactions to covid vaccination, one suffering a serious stroke and the other getting myocarditis. The former is now required to get a booster shot if he wants to keep his job, the latter is now on medication for the rest of his life to keep from having a heart attack. Regardless of your own experience there are hundreds of thousands of people who have suffered adverse reactions to the covid vaccinations including death.

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I am sorry to hear that prodromos. Which vaccine did they get?

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Yeshua HaDerekh said:

Reminds me of a certain X-files episode...

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I think that is one of the difficulties. I would compare Hollywood movies of the 1990’s about NY under siege or terrorist attack to what actually happened on September 11th, 2001. What actually happened was so hard to believe because it was more dramatic than the Hollywood scripts. It was hard to believe, but it was really true.

And there is nothing inherently absurd about callous men of wealth and power seeking to control world events (and making themselves vastly wealthier and more powerful in the process).