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There is no scripture in the entire bible telling us that God's Ten Commandments was abolished

You are correct.

They were not "abolished".

The scripture below says they were made "obsolete".

My chainsaw has made my ax "obsolete", instead of "abolished".

Heb 8:13 In that He says, "A NEW COVENANT," He has made the first obsolete. Now what is becoming obsolete and growing old is ready to vanish away.


Did the children of Israel keep the Sabbath day while they were in bondage in Egypt?


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You are correct.

They were not "abolished".

The scripture below says they were made "obsolete".

My chainsaw has made my ax "obsolete", instead of "abolished".

Heb 8:13 In that He says, "A NEW COVENANT," He has made the first obsolete. Now what is becoming obsolete and growing old is ready to vanish away.

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The agreement was abolished not the laws. You seem to not include this important scripture “This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, says the LORD: I will put My laws into their hearts, and in their minds I will write them,” Hebrews 10:16 The new covenant which still include God's laws are based on better promises.
 
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Hello BABerean2, some comments provided from the scriptures for your consideration.
Then what day of the week is the "Lord's Day", in your opinion? Rev 1:10 I was in the Spirit on the Lord's Day, and I heard behind me a loud voice, as of a trumpet,
As demonstrated from the scriptures already according to the bible Revelation 1:10 "the Lords day" in the Greek word meanings of τῇ κυριακῇ ἡμέρᾳ translated as "the Lords day" means (1) the Lords ownership of the day. According to the scriptures alone Jesus claims he is (2) Lord of the Sabbath day because he is the creator of it *Matthew 12:8; Mark 2:28; Luke 6:5; John 1:1-4; 14; Colossians 1:16; Genesis 2:1-3 and Jesus and God (3) claim ownership of the Sabbath day in Isaiah 58:13; Exodus 31:12-18; Leviticus 19:30; Ezekiel 20:12; Deuteronomy 5:15; Leviticus 23:3; Exodus 31:15; Exodus 20:10. All of the above scriptures are evidence that agree to the interpretation provided from the scriptures alone in Revelation 1:10 that the day the Lord claims ownership over is the Sabbath day. On the other hand, there is no scripture that says "the Lords day" of Revelation 1:10 is Sunday or the first day of the week. This is a man-made teaching and tradition of some in the early Church only found outside of the scriptures that is not supported anywhere in the bible. As shown above according to the scriptures as shown above "the Lord's day" or the day that Jesus claims to be Lord of and claims ownership of is the Sabbath day.
Col 2:16 Let no one, then, judge you in eating or in drinking, or in respect of a feast, or of a new moon, or of sabbaths, Col 2:17 which are a shadow of the coming things, and the body is of the Christ;
Afraid not dear friend Colossians 2:16-17 does not say that the "Lords day" of Revelation 1:10 is Sunday or the first day of the week and neither do they say that Gods' 4th commandment has been abolished and we are now commanded to keep Sunday as a holy day of rest. The context of Colossians 2:16 is in reference to the meat and drink offerings and the new moons and the ceremonial annual sabbaths (plural; genitive neuter plural) in the annual Feast days not God's 4th commandment of the 10 commandments that give us the knowledge of what sin if when we break them in the new covenant *Romans 3:20; Romans 7:7; 1 John 3:4. You do know that there are many different kinds of annual sabbaths (plural not singular) in the annual Feast days that could fall on any day of the week right depending on the yearly cycle? These annual ceremonial sabbaths in the Feast days included; (1) Feast of Unleavened Bread (first and last day) *Leviticus 23:6-8 (2) Feast of Trumpets *Leviticus 23:24-25 (3) Day of Atonement *Leviticus 23:27-32 (4) Feast of Booths *Leviticus 23:34-36 (5) Feast of First Fruits *Leviticus 23:39 (6) Feast days of Holy convocation of no work (sabbaton Colossians 2:16 *Leviticus 23:7-8; 21;24; 27; 35-36 that were all shadows of things to come pointing to Jesus as the promised Messiah and Savoir of the world and not God's 4th commandment that points backwards to the finished work of creation (Genesis 2:1-3; Exodus 20:8-11) not forwards to things to come (Colossians 2:17). Now back to the OP topic please. Where is the scripture that says that Sunday or the first day of the week is "the Lords day" from Revelation 1:10?
Heb 8:13 In that He says, "A NEW COVENANT," He has made the first obsolete. Now what is becoming obsolete and growing old is ready to vanish away.
Absolutely! We are in the new covenant now not the old covenant. In the old covenant Gods' 10 commandments were written on two tables of stone. In the new covenant God's law is written on the heart.

Here are the rest of the scriptures you left out of you post that define what the new covenant is here...

Hebrews 8:10-12 [10], For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people: [11], And they shall not teach every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for all shall know me, from the least to the greatest. [12], For I will be merciful to their unrighteousness, and their sins and their iniquities will I remember no more. (Paul is quoting from Jeremiah 31:31-34. See also Ezekiel 36:24-27)

The new covenant is not a covenant of lawlessness (without law). The new covenant is a covenant of obedience to God's law in all those who have been born again through the Spirit to walk in God's Word and obey it *1 John 3:6-9; Galatians 5:16; Romans 3:31; Romans 8:4; Romans 13:8-10. According to the new covenant scriptures the purpose of God's law has the same role it always had and that is to give us the knowledge of what sin is when broken *Romans 3:20; Romans 7:7; 1 John 3:4 and if we break anyone of God's 10 commandments we stand guilty before God of sin *James 2:10-11. According to John the new covenant is not a covenant of lawlessness and those who claim it is are not telling the truth in 1 John 2:3-4. According to the scriptures sin is defined as breaking anyone of God's 10 commandments in James 2:10-11; 1 John 3:4 and not believing and following God's Word in Romans 14:23 and sin (breaking God's law) according to John is the difference between the children of God and the children of the devil in 1 John 3:9-10; 1 John 2:3-4; Revelation 12:17; Revelation 14:12 and Revelation 22:14.
Early Church Fathers who lived before the Council of Nicaea comment on the Sabbath:

Ignatius of Antioch (Letter to the Magnesians(shorter) Chapter IX.—Let us live with Christ [A.D. 110]).

(The Epistle of Ignatius to the Trallians Longer Versions. Chapter IX.—Reference to the history of Christ.)

Justin Martyr (Dialogue with Trypho the Jew Chapter XII.—The Jews violate the eternal law, and interpret ill that of Moses.)

(Dialogue with Trypho the Jew Chapter XVIII.—Christians would observe the law, if they did not know why it was instituted. [A.D. 155]).

(First Apology Chapter LXVII.—Weekly worship of the Christians. [A.D. 155]).

(The Second Apology of Justin for the Christians Addressed to the Roman Senate. Chapter XXIII.—The opinion of the Jews regarding the law does an injury to God.)

(The Second Apology of Justin for the Christians Addressed to the Roman Senate. Chapter XLIII.—He concludes that the law had an end in Christ, who was born of the Virgin.)

Tertullian (An Answer to the Jews Chapter II.—The Law Anterior to Moses. [A.D. 203]).

(An Answer to the Jews Chapter IV.—Of the Observance of the Sabbath.)

(An Answer to the Jews Chapter VI.—Of the Abolition and the Abolisher of the Old Law. [A.D. 203]).

(Apology Chapter XVI.).
Please read the OP. As posted already in the OP and earlier throughout this thread we already know what the man-made teachings and traditions of the early church are in relation to it's claims that "the Lords day" of Revelation 1:10 is Sunday or the first day of the week. The purpose of this OP is to examine if these claims are true or not according to the scriptures. Now do you have any scripture that supports your teaching that Sunday or the first day of the week is "the Lords day" of Revelation 1:10? If not whose words are you following Gods' Word or the teachings and traditions of men outside of God's Word?

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You are correct. They were not "abolished". The scripture below says they were made "obsolete". My chainsaw has made my ax "obsolete", instead of "abolished". Heb 8:13 In that He says, "A NEW COVENANT," He has made the first obsolete. Now what is becoming obsolete and growing old is ready to vanish away. Did the children of Israel keep the Sabbath day while they were in bondage in Egypt?

Perhaps you may need to revisit your understanding of what the old and new covenants are. The scriptures state nowhere that Gods' 10 commandments are obsolete. It is the old covenant that is obsolete not Gods' 10 commandments. Gods 10 commandments in the new covenant have the same role they always had and that is to give us the knowledge of good (moral right doing) and evil (moral wrong doing); sin (moral wrong doing) and righteousness (moral right doing) *Romans 3:20; Romans 7:7; 1 John 3:4; Psalms 119:172. God's new covenant promise is that he will write His laws in our heart so that we can obey them by faith that works by love (see Romans 3:31 and Romans 13:8-10).

Hebrews 8:10-12 [10], For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people: [11], And they shall not teach every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for all shall know me, from the least to the greatest. [12], For I will be merciful to their unrighteousness, and their sins and their iniquities will I remember no more. (Paul is quoting from Jeremiah 31:31-34. See also Ezekiel 36:24-27)

The new covenant is not a covenant of lawlessness (without law). The new covenant is a covenant of obedience to God's law in all those who have been born again through the Spirit to walk in God's Word and obey it *1 John 3:6-9; Galatians 5:16; Romans 3:31; Romans 8:4; Romans 13:8-10. According to the new covenant scriptures the purpose of God's law has the same role it always had and that is to give us the knowledge of what sin is when broken *Romans 3:20; Romans 7:7; 1 John 3:4 and if we break anyone of God's 10 commandments we stand guilty before God of sin *James 2:10-11.

According to John the new covenant is not a covenant of lawlessness (without law) and those who claim it is are not telling the truth in 1 John 2:3-4. According to the scriptures sin is defined as breaking anyone of God's 10 commandments in James 2:10-11; 1 John 3:4 and not believing and following God's Word in Romans 14:23 and sin (breaking God's law) according to John is the difference between the children of God and the children of the devil in 1 John 3:9-10; 1 John 2:3-4; Revelation 12:17; Revelation 14:12 and Revelation 22:14.

So according to the new covenant scriptures Gods' people are born of the Spirit to keep all the commandments of God *1 John 3:6-9; Hebrews 8:10-12 and of course this includes Gods' 4th commandment "seventh day" Sabbath which is one of God's 10 commandments that give us the knowledge of what sin is when broken *Romans 3:20; Romans 7:7; Exodus 20:8-11)

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Now back to the OP. Do you have any scripture that supports the man-made teaching and tradition of the early church that Sunday is "the Lords day" of Revelation 1:10?

Take Care
 
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Do you understand what a shadow of things to come is? It's a representation of a deeper truer reality to come, so I suggest you study all God most highs feast days and the prophetic message they symbolize. Also read Colossians in context very heedfully don't let man tell you what it means let the Spirit and God's word do the talking.
 
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Do you understand what a shadow of things to come is? It's a representation of a deeper truer reality to come, so I suggest you study all God most highs feast days and the prophetic message they symbolize. Also read Colossians in context very heedfully don't let man tell you what it means let the Spirit and God's word do the talking.
Typo high's showing possession because they belong to him.
 
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Heb 7:12 For the priesthood being changed, of necessity there is also a change of the law.


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Change doesn't mean abolish, some of you people are so careless with your interpretations of God most high's word.
 
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The context of Colossians 2:16 is in reference to the meat and drink offerings and the new moons and the ceremonial annual sabbaths (plural; genitive neuter plural) in the annual Feast days not God's 4th commandment of the 10 commandments


Based on your logic, it is still OK to judge people on some foods, and some feasts, and some sabbaths.

Col 2:16 Let no one, then, judge you in eating or in drinking, or in respect of a feast, or of a new moon, or of sabbaths,
Col 2:17 which are a shadow of the coming things, and the body is of the Christ;


Apparently, you get to pick and choose to make your SDA doctrine work.

And then you ignore what the early Church Fathers said before the Council of Nicaea. You appear to believe you know more about the early Church than they do.



Early Church Fathers who lived before the Council of Nicaea comment on the Sabbath:


Ignatius of Antioch

If, therefore, those who were brought up in the ancient order of things have come to the possession of a new hope, no longer observing the Sabbath, but living in the observance of the Lord’s Day, on which also our life has sprung up again by Him and by His death—whom some deny, by which mystery we have obtained faith, and therefore endure, that we may be found the disciples of Jesus Christ, our only Master(Letter to the Magnesians(shorter) Chapter IX.—Let us live with Christ [A.D. 110]).

During the Sabbath He continued under the earth in the tomb in which Joseph of Arimathæa had laid Him. At the dawning of the Lord’s day He arose from the dead, according to what was spoken by Himself, “As Jonah was three days and three nights in the whale’s belly, so shall the Son of man also be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.” The day of the preparation, then, comprises the passion; the Sabbath embraces the burial; the Lord’s Day contains the resurrection(The Epistle of Ignatius to the Trallians Longer Versions. Chapter IX.—Reference to the history of Christ.)

Justin Martyr

The Lawgiver is present, yet you do not see Him; to the poor the Gospel is preached, the blind see, yet you do not understand. You have now need of a second circumcision, though you glory greatly in the flesh. The new law requires you to keep perpetual sabbath, and you, because you are idle for one day, suppose you are pious, not discerning why this has been commanded you: and if you eat unleavened bread, you say the will of God has been fulfilled. The Lord our God does not take pleasure in such observances: if there is any perjured person or a thief among you, let him cease to be so; if any adulterer, let him repent; then he has kept the sweet and true sabbaths of God. If any one has impure hands, let him wash and be pure.(Dialogue with Trypho the Jew Chapter XII.—The Jews violate the eternal law, and interpret ill that of Moses.)

For we too would observe the fleshly circumcision, and the Sabbaths, and in short all the feasts, if we did not know for what reason they were enjoined you,—namely, on account of your transgressions and the hardness of your hearts. For if we patiently endure all things contrived against us by wicked men and demons, so that even amid cruelties unutterable, death and torments, we pray for mercy to those who inflict such things upon us, and do not wish to give the least retort to any one, even as the new Lawgiver commanded us: how is it, Trypho, that we would not observe those rites which do not harm us, —I speak of fleshly circumcision, and Sabbaths, and feasts?(Dialogue with Trypho the Jew Chapter XVIII.—Christians would observe the law, if they did not know why it was instituted. [A.D. 155]).

And we afterwards continually remind each other of these things. And the wealthy among us help the needy; and we always keep together; and for all things wherewith we are supplied, we bless the Maker of all through His Son Jesus Christ, and through the Holy Ghost. And on the day called Sunday,1 all who live in cities or in the country gather together to one place, and the memoirs of the apostles or the writings of the prophets are read, as long as time permits; then, when the reader has ceased, the president verbally instructs, and exhorts to the imitation of these good things. Then we all rise together and pray, and, as we before said, when our prayer is ended, bread and wine and water are brought, and the president in like manner offers prayers and thanksgivings, according to his ability, and the people assent, saying Amen; and there is a distribution to each, and a participation of that over which thanks have been given, and to those who are absent a portion is sent by the deacons. And they who are well to do, and willing, give what each thinks fit; and what is collected is deposited with the president, who succours the orphans and widows and those who, through sickness or any other cause, are in want, and those who are in bonds and the strangers sojourning among us, and in a word takes care of all who are in need. But Sunday is the day on which we all hold our common assembly, because it is the first day on which God, having wrought a change in the darkness and matter, made the world; and Jesus Christ our Saviour on the same day rose from the dead. For He was crucified on the day before that of Saturn (Saturday); and on the day after that of Saturn, which is the day of the Sun, having appeared to His apostles and disciples, He taught them these things, which we have submitted to you also for your consideration.(First Apology Chapter LXVII.—Weekly worship of the Christians. [A.D. 155]).

“Wherefore, Trypho, I will proclaim to you, and to those who wish to become proselytes, the divine message which I heard from that man. Do you see that the elements are not idle, and keep no Sabbaths? Remain as you were born. For if there was no need of circumcision before Abraham, or of the observance of Sabbaths, of feasts and sacrifices, before Moses; no more need is there of them now, after that, according to the will of God, Jesus Christ the Son of God has been born without sin, of a virgin sprung from the stock of Abraham. For when Abraham himself was in uncircumcision, he was justified and blessed by reason of the faith which he reposed in God, as the Scripture tells. Moreover, the Scriptures and the facts themselves compel us to admit that He received circumcision for a sign, and not for righteousness.(The Second Apology of Justin for the Christians Addressed to the Roman Senate. Chapter XXIII.—The opinion of the Jews regarding the law does an injury to God.)

“As, then, circumcision began with Abraham, and the Sabbath and sacrifices and offerings and feasts with Moses, and it has been proved they were enjoined on account of the hardness of your people’s heart, so it was necessary, in accordance with the Father’s will, that they should have an end in Him who was born of a virgin, of the family of Abraham and tribe of Judah, and of David; in Christ the Son of God, who was proclaimed as about to come to all the world, to be the everlasting law and the everlasting covenant, even as the forementioned prophecies show.(The Second Apology of Justin for the Christians Addressed to the Roman Senate. Chapter XLIII.—He concludes that the law had an end in Christ, who was born of the Virgin.)

Tertullian

“[L]et him who contends that the Sabbath is still to be observed as a balm of salvation, and circumcision on the eighth day . . . teach us that, for the time past, righteous men kept the Sabbath or practiced circumcision, and were thus rendered ‘friends of God.’ For if circumcision purges a man, since God made Adam uncircumcised, why did he not circumcise him, even after his sinning, if circumcision purges? . . . Therefore, since God originated Adam uncircumcised and unobservant of the Sabbath, consequently his offspring also, Abel, offering him sacrifices, uncircumcised and unobservant of the Sabbath, was by him [God] commended [Gen. 4:1–7, Heb. 11:4]. . . . Noah also, uncircumcised—yes, and unobservant of the Sabbath—God freed from the deluge. For Enoch too, most righteous man, uncircumcised and unobservant of the Sabbath, he translated from this world, who did not first taste death in order that, being a candidate for eternal life, he might show us that we also may, without the burden of the law of Moses, please God”(An Answer to the Jews Chapter II.—The Law Anterior to Moses. [A.D. 203]).

It follows, accordingly, that, in so far as the abolition of carnal circumcision and of the old law is demonstrated as having been consummated at its specific times, so also the observance of the Sabbath is demonstrated to have been temporary.For the Jews say, that from the beginning God sanctified the seventh day, by resting on it from all His works which He made; and that thence it was, likewise, that Moses said to the People: “Remember the day of the sabbaths, to sanctify it: every servile work ye shall not do therein, except what pertaineth unto life.” Whence we (Christians) understand that we still more ought to observe a sabbath from all “servile work” always, and not only every seventh day, but through all time. And through this arises the question for us, what sabbath God willed us to keep? For the Scriptures point to a sabbath eternal and a sabbath temporal. For Isaiah the prophet says, “Your sabbaths my soul hateth;” and in another place he says, “My sabbaths ye have profaned.”9 Whence we discern that the temporal sabbath is human, and the eternal sabbath is accounted divine; concerning which He predicts through Isaiah: “And there shall be,” He says, “month after month, and day after day, and sabbath after sabbath; and all flesh shall come to adore in Jerusalem, saith the Lord;” which we understand to have been fulfilled in the times of Christ, when “all flesh”—that is, every nation—“came to adore in Jerusalem” God the Father, through Jesus Christ His Son, as was predicted through the prophet: “Behold, proselytes through me shall go unto Thee.” Thus, therefore, before this temporal sabbath, there was withal an eternal sabbath foreshown and foretold; just as before the carnal circumcision there was withal a spiritual circumcision foreshown. In short, let them teach us, as we have already premised, that Adam observed the sabbath; or that Abel, when offering to God a holy victim, pleased Him by a religious reverence for the sabbath; or that Enoch, when translated, had been a keeper of the sabbath; or that Noah the ark-builder observed, on account of the deluge, an immense sabbath; or that Abraham, in observance of the sabbath, offered Isaac his son; or that Melchizedek in his priesthood received the law of the sabbath

But the Jews are sure to say, that ever since this precept was given through Moses, the observance has been binding. Manifest accordingly it is, that the precept was not eternal nor spiritual, but temporary, which would one day cease. In short, so true is it that it is not in the exemption from work of the sabbath—that is, of the seventh day—that the celebration of this solemnity is to consist, that Joshua the son of Nun, at the time that he was reducing the city Jericho by war, stated that he had received from God a precept to order the People that priests should carry the ark of the testament of God seven days, making the circuit of the city; and thus, when the seventh day’s circuit had been performed, the walls of the city would spontaneously fall. Which was so done; and when the space of the seventh day was finished, just as was predicted, down fell the walls of the city. Whence it is manifestly shown, that in the number of the seven days there intervened a sabbath-day. For seven days, whencesoever they may have commenced, must necessarily include within them a sabbath-day; on which day not only must the priests have worked, but the city must have been made a prey by the edge of the sword by all the people of Israel. Nor is it doubtful that they “wrought servile work,” when, in obedience to God’s precept, they drave the preys of war. For in the times of the Maccabees, too, they did bravely in fighting on the sabbaths, and routed their foreign foes, and recalled the law of their fathers to the primitive style of life by fighting on the sabbaths. Nor should I think it was any other law which they thus vindicated, than the one in which they remembered the existence of the prescript touching “the day of the sabbaths.” Whence it is manifest that the force of such precepts was temporary, and respected the necessity of present circumstances; and that it was not with a view to its observance in perpetuity that God formerly gave them such a law.(An Answer to the Jews Chapter IV.—Of the Observance of the Sabbath.)

Therefore, since it is manifest that a sabbath temporal was shown, and a sabbath eternal foretold; a circumcision carnal foretold, and a circumcision spiritual pre-indicated; a law temporal and a law eternal formally declared; sacrifices carnal and sacrifices spiritual foreshown; it follows that, after all these precepts had been given carnally, in time preceding, to the people Israel, there was to supervene a time whereat the precepts of the ancient Law and of the old ceremonies would cease, and the promise3 of the new law, and the recognition of spiritual sacrifices, and the promise of the New Testament, supervene;4 while the light from on high would beam upon us who were sitting in darkness, and were being detained in the shadow of death.5 And so there is incumbent on us a necessity6 binding us, since we have premised that a new law was predicted by the prophets, and that not such as had been already given to their fathers at the time when He led them forth from the land of Egypt,7 to show and prove, on the one hand, that that old Law has ceased, and on the other, that the promised new law is now in operation.

And, indeed, first we must inquire whether there be expected a giver of the new law, and an heir of the new testament, and a priest of the new sacrifices, and a purger of the new circumcision, and an observer of the eternal sabbath, to suppress the old law, and institute the new testament, and offer the new sacrifices, and repress the ancient ceremonies, and suppress8 the old circumcision together with its own sabbath, and announce the new kingdom which is not corruptible. Inquire, I say, we must, whether this giver of the new law, observer of the spiritual sabbath, priest of the eternal sacrifices, eternal ruler of the eternal kingdom, be come or no: that, if he is already come, service may have to be rendered him; if he is not yet come, he may have to be awaited, until by his advent it be manifest that the old Law’s precepts are suppressed, and that the beginnings of the new law ought to arise. And, primarily, we must lay it down that the ancient Law and the prophets could not have ceased, unless He were come who was constantly announced, through the same Law and through the same prophets, as to come.(An Answer to the Jews Chapter VI.—Of the Abolition and the Abolisher of the Old Law. [A.D. 203]).

But you, many of you, also under pretence sometimes of worshipping the heavenly bodies, move your lips in the direction of the sunrise. In the same way, if we devote Sun-day to rejoicing, from a far different reason than Sun-worship, we have some resemblance to those of you who devote the day of Saturn to ease and luxury, though they too go far away from Jewish ways, of which indeed they are ignorant.(Apology Chapter XVI.)

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Based on your logic, it is still OK to judge people on some foods, and some feasts, and some sabbaths.

Col 2:16 Let no one, then, judge you in eating or in drinking, or in respect of a feast, or of a new moon, or of sabbaths,
Col 2:17 which are a shadow of the coming things, and the body is of the Christ;


Apparently, you get to pick and choose to make your SDA doctrine work.

And then you ignore what the early Church Fathers said before the Council of Nicaea. You appear to believe you know more about the early Church than they do.



Early Church Fathers who lived before the Council of Nicaea comment on the Sabbath:


Ignatius of Antioch

If, therefore, those who were brought up in the ancient order of things have come to the possession of a new hope, no longer observing the Sabbath, but living in the observance of the Lord’s Day, on which also our life has sprung up again by Him and by His death—whom some deny, by which mystery we have obtained faith, and therefore endure, that we may be found the disciples of Jesus Christ, our only Master(Letter to the Magnesians(shorter) Chapter IX.—Let us live with Christ [A.D. 110]).

During the Sabbath He continued under the earth in the tomb in which Joseph of Arimathæa had laid Him. At the dawning of the Lord’s day He arose from the dead, according to what was spoken by Himself, “As Jonah was three days and three nights in the whale’s belly, so shall the Son of man also be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.” The day of the preparation, then, comprises the passion; the Sabbath embraces the burial; the Lord’s Day contains the resurrection(The Epistle of Ignatius to the Trallians Longer Versions. Chapter IX.—Reference to the history of Christ.)

Justin Martyr

The Lawgiver is present, yet you do not see Him; to the poor the Gospel is preached, the blind see, yet you do not understand. You have now need of a second circumcision, though you glory greatly in the flesh. The new law requires you to keep perpetual sabbath, and you, because you are idle for one day, suppose you are pious, not discerning why this has been commanded you: and if you eat unleavened bread, you say the will of God has been fulfilled. The Lord our God does not take pleasure in such observances: if there is any perjured person or a thief among you, let him cease to be so; if any adulterer, let him repent; then he has kept the sweet and true sabbaths of God. If any one has impure hands, let him wash and be pure.(Dialogue with Trypho the Jew Chapter XII.—The Jews violate the eternal law, and interpret ill that of Moses.)

For we too would observe the fleshly circumcision, and the Sabbaths, and in short all the feasts, if we did not know for what reason they were enjoined you,—namely, on account of your transgressions and the hardness of your hearts. For if we patiently endure all things contrived against us by wicked men and demons, so that even amid cruelties unutterable, death and torments, we pray for mercy to those who inflict such things upon us, and do not wish to give the least retort to any one, even as the new Lawgiver commanded us: how is it, Trypho, that we would not observe those rites which do not harm us, —I speak of fleshly circumcision, and Sabbaths, and feasts?(Dialogue with Trypho the Jew Chapter XVIII.—Christians would observe the law, if they did not know why it was instituted. [A.D. 155]).

And we afterwards continually remind each other of these things. And the wealthy among us help the needy; and we always keep together; and for all things wherewith we are supplied, we bless the Maker of all through His Son Jesus Christ, and through the Holy Ghost. And on the day called Sunday,1 all who live in cities or in the country gather together to one place, and the memoirs of the apostles or the writings of the prophets are read, as long as time permits; then, when the reader has ceased, the president verbally instructs, and exhorts to the imitation of these good things. Then we all rise together and pray, and, as we before said, when our prayer is ended, bread and wine and water are brought, and the president in like manner offers prayers and thanksgivings, according to his ability, and the people assent, saying Amen; and there is a distribution to each, and a participation of that over which thanks have been given, and to those who are absent a portion is sent by the deacons. And they who are well to do, and willing, give what each thinks fit; and what is collected is deposited with the president, who succours the orphans and widows and those who, through sickness or any other cause, are in want, and those who are in bonds and the strangers sojourning among us, and in a word takes care of all who are in need. But Sunday is the day on which we all hold our common assembly, because it is the first day on which God, having wrought a change in the darkness and matter, made the world; and Jesus Christ our Saviour on the same day rose from the dead. For He was crucified on the day before that of Saturn (Saturday); and on the day after that of Saturn, which is the day of the Sun, having appeared to His apostles and disciples, He taught them these things, which we have submitted to you also for your consideration.(First Apology Chapter LXVII.—Weekly worship of the Christians. [A.D. 155]).

“Wherefore, Trypho, I will proclaim to you, and to those who wish to become proselytes, the divine message which I heard from that man. Do you see that the elements are not idle, and keep no Sabbaths? Remain as you were born. For if there was no need of circumcision before Abraham, or of the observance of Sabbaths, of feasts and sacrifices, before Moses; no more need is there of them now, after that, according to the will of God, Jesus Christ the Son of God has been born without sin, of a virgin sprung from the stock of Abraham. For when Abraham himself was in uncircumcision, he was justified and blessed by reason of the faith which he reposed in God, as the Scripture tells. Moreover, the Scriptures and the facts themselves compel us to admit that He received circumcision for a sign, and not for righteousness.(The Second Apology of Justin for the Christians Addressed to the Roman Senate. Chapter XXIII.—The opinion of the Jews regarding the law does an injury to God.)

“As, then, circumcision began with Abraham, and the Sabbath and sacrifices and offerings and feasts with Moses, and it has been proved they were enjoined on account of the hardness of your people’s heart, so it was necessary, in accordance with the Father’s will, that they should have an end in Him who was born of a virgin, of the family of Abraham and tribe of Judah, and of David; in Christ the Son of God, who was proclaimed as about to come to all the world, to be the everlasting law and the everlasting covenant, even as the forementioned prophecies show.(The Second Apology of Justin for the Christians Addressed to the Roman Senate. Chapter XLIII.—He concludes that the law had an end in Christ, who was born of the Virgin.)

Tertullian

“[L]et him who contends that the Sabbath is still to be observed as a balm of salvation, and circumcision on the eighth day . . . teach us that, for the time past, righteous men kept the Sabbath or practiced circumcision, and were thus rendered ‘friends of God.’ For if circumcision purges a man, since God made Adam uncircumcised, why did he not circumcise him, even after his sinning, if circumcision purges? . . . Therefore, since God originated Adam uncircumcised and unobservant of the Sabbath, consequently his offspring also, Abel, offering him sacrifices, uncircumcised and unobservant of the Sabbath, was by him [God] commended [Gen. 4:1–7, Heb. 11:4]. . . . Noah also, uncircumcised—yes, and unobservant of the Sabbath—God freed from the deluge. For Enoch too, most righteous man, uncircumcised and unobservant of the Sabbath, he translated from this world, who did not first taste death in order that, being a candidate for eternal life, he might show us that we also may, without the burden of the law of Moses, please God”(An Answer to the Jews Chapter II.—The Law Anterior to Moses. [A.D. 203]).

It follows, accordingly, that, in so far as the abolition of carnal circumcision and of the old law is demonstrated as having been consummated at its specific times, so also the observance of the Sabbath is demonstrated to have been temporary.For the Jews say, that from the beginning God sanctified the seventh day, by resting on it from all His works which He made; and that thence it was, likewise, that Moses said to the People: “Remember the day of the sabbaths, to sanctify it: every servile work ye shall not do therein, except what pertaineth unto life.” Whence we (Christians) understand that we still more ought to observe a sabbath from all “servile work” always, and not only every seventh day, but through all time. And through this arises the question for us, what sabbath God willed us to keep? For the Scriptures point to a sabbath eternal and a sabbath temporal. For Isaiah the prophet says, “Your sabbaths my soul hateth;” and in another place he says, “My sabbaths ye have profaned.”9 Whence we discern that the temporal sabbath is human, and the eternal sabbath is accounted divine; concerning which He predicts through Isaiah: “And there shall be,” He says, “month after month, and day after day, and sabbath after sabbath; and all flesh shall come to adore in Jerusalem, saith the Lord;” which we understand to have been fulfilled in the times of Christ, when “all flesh”—that is, every nation—“came to adore in Jerusalem” God the Father, through Jesus Christ His Son, as was predicted through the prophet: “Behold, proselytes through me shall go unto Thee.” Thus, therefore, before this temporal sabbath, there was withal an eternal sabbath foreshown and foretold; just as before the carnal circumcision there was withal a spiritual circumcision foreshown. In short, let them teach us, as we have already premised, that Adam observed the sabbath; or that Abel, when offering to God a holy victim, pleased Him by a religious reverence for the sabbath; or that Enoch, when translated, had been a keeper of the sabbath; or that Noah the ark-builder observed, on account of the deluge, an immense sabbath; or that Abraham, in observance of the sabbath, offered Isaac his son; or that Melchizedek in his priesthood received the law of the sabbath

But the Jews are sure to say, that ever since this precept was given through Moses, the observance has been binding. Manifest accordingly it is, that the precept was not eternal nor spiritual, but temporary, which would one day cease. In short, so true is it that it is not in the exemption from work of the sabbath—that is, of the seventh day—that the celebration of this solemnity is to consist, that Joshua the son of Nun, at the time that he was reducing the city Jericho by war, stated that he had received from God a precept to order the People that priests should carry the ark of the testament of God seven days, making the circuit of the city; and thus, when the seventh day’s circuit had been performed, the walls of the city would spontaneously fall. Which was so done; and when the space of the seventh day was finished, just as was predicted, down fell the walls of the city. Whence it is manifestly shown, that in the number of the seven days there intervened a sabbath-day. For seven days, whencesoever they may have commenced, must necessarily include within them a sabbath-day; on which day not only must the priests have worked, but the city must have been made a prey by the edge of the sword by all the people of Israel. Nor is it doubtful that they “wrought servile work,” when, in obedience to God’s precept, they drave the preys of war. For in the times of the Maccabees, too, they did bravely in fighting on the sabbaths, and routed their foreign foes, and recalled the law of their fathers to the primitive style of life by fighting on the sabbaths. Nor should I think it was any other law which they thus vindicated, than the one in which they remembered the existence of the prescript touching “the day of the sabbaths.” Whence it is manifest that the force of such precepts was temporary, and respected the necessity of present circumstances; and that it was not with a view to its observance in perpetuity that God formerly gave them such a law.(An Answer to the Jews Chapter IV.—Of the Observance of the Sabbath.)

Therefore, since it is manifest that a sabbath temporal was shown, and a sabbath eternal foretold; a circumcision carnal foretold, and a circumcision spiritual pre-indicated; a law temporal and a law eternal formally declared; sacrifices carnal and sacrifices spiritual foreshown; it follows that, after all these precepts had been given carnally, in time preceding, to the people Israel, there was to supervene a time whereat the precepts of the ancient Law and of the old ceremonies would cease, and the promise3 of the new law, and the recognition of spiritual sacrifices, and the promise of the New Testament, supervene;4 while the light from on high would beam upon us who were sitting in darkness, and were being detained in the shadow of death.5 And so there is incumbent on us a necessity6 binding us, since we have premised that a new law was predicted by the prophets, and that not such as had been already given to their fathers at the time when He led them forth from the land of Egypt,7 to show and prove, on the one hand, that that old Law has ceased, and on the other, that the promised new law is now in operation.

And, indeed, first we must inquire whether there be expected a giver of the new law, and an heir of the new testament, and a priest of the new sacrifices, and a purger of the new circumcision, and an observer of the eternal sabbath, to suppress the old law, and institute the new testament, and offer the new sacrifices, and repress the ancient ceremonies, and suppress8 the old circumcision together with its own sabbath, and announce the new kingdom which is not corruptible. Inquire, I say, we must, whether this giver of the new law, observer of the spiritual sabbath, priest of the eternal sacrifices, eternal ruler of the eternal kingdom, be come or no: that, if he is already come, service may have to be rendered him; if he is not yet come, he may have to be awaited, until by his advent it be manifest that the old Law’s precepts are suppressed, and that the beginnings of the new law ought to arise. And, primarily, we must lay it down that the ancient Law and the prophets could not have ceased, unless He were come who was constantly announced, through the same Law and through the same prophets, as to come.(An Answer to the Jews Chapter VI.—Of the Abolition and the Abolisher of the Old Law. [A.D. 203]).

But you, many of you, also under pretence sometimes of worshipping the heavenly bodies, move your lips in the direction of the sunrise. In the same way, if we devote Sun-day to rejoicing, from a far different reason than Sun-worship, we have some resemblance to those of you who devote the day of Saturn to ease and luxury, though they too go far away from Jewish ways, of which indeed they are ignorant.(Apology Chapter XVI.)

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You really think those man fabricated claims change God's commandments, also study the feast days they all have a symbolic prophetic message, if you try to abolish them which is what your doing you deny what is to come.
 
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Heb 7:12 For the priesthood being changed, of necessity there is also a change of the law..

The change in law in Hebrews 7:12 is the change of the law of the Priesthood because the law stated that only those of the tribe of Levi could become high Priest and Jesus was of the tribe of Judah. This scripture has nothing to do with God's 10 commandments. Here is the context you left out that proves what has been shared with you here...

Hebrews 7:12-28
[12], For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the law.
[13], For he of whom these things are spoken pertaineth to another tribe, of which no man gave attendance at the altar.
[14], For it is evident that our Lord sprang out of Juda; of which tribe Moses spake nothing concerning priesthood.
[15], And it is yet far more evident: for that after the similitude of Melchisedec there ariseth another priest,
[16], Who is made, not after the law of a carnal commandment, but after the power of an endless life.
[17], For he testifieth, Thou art a priest for ever after the order of Melchisedec.
[18], For there is verily a disannulling of the commandment going before for the weakness and unprofitableness thereof.
[19], For the law made nothing perfect, but the bringing in of a better hope did; by the which we draw nigh unto God.
[20], And inasmuch as not without an oath he was made priest:
[21], For those priests were made without an oath; but this with an oath by him that said unto him, The Lord sware and will not repent, Thou art a priest for ever after the order of Melchisedec.
[22], By so much was Jesus made a surety of a better testament.
[23], And they truly were many priests, because they were not suffered to continue by reason of death:
[24], But this man , because he continueth ever, hath an unchangeable priesthood.
[25], Wherefore he is able also to save them to the uttermost that come unto God by him, seeing he ever liveth to make intercession for them.
[26], For such an high priest became us, who is holy, harmless, undefiled, separate from sinners, and made higher than the heavens;
[27], Who needeth not daily, as those high priests, to offer up sacrifice, first for his own sins, and then for the people's: for this he did once, when he offered up himself.
[28], For the law maketh men high priests which have infirmity; but the word of the oath, which was since the law, maketh the Son, who is consecrated for evermore.

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As shown above, it is the law of the Priesthood that is changed in the new covenant not God's 10 commandments. We should be careful not to pull the scriptures from their context and read into them what they are not saying or teaching.

Take Care.
 
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Based on your logic, it is still OK to judge people on some foods, and some feasts, and some sabbaths.

Col 2:16 Let no one, then, judge you in eating or in drinking, or in respect of a feast, or of a new moon, or of sabbaths,
Col 2:17 which are a shadow of the coming things, and the body is of the Christ;

Apparently, you get to pick and choose to make your SDA doctrine work.

And then you ignore what the early Church Fathers said before the Council of Nicaea. You appear to believe you know more about the early Church than they do.

Early Church Fathers who lived before the Council of Nicaea comment on the Sabbath:

Ignatius of Antioch
(Letter to the Magnesians(shorter) Chapter IX.—Let us live with Christ [A.D. 110]).(The Epistle of Ignatius to the Trallians Longer Versions. Chapter IX.—Reference to the history of Christ.)

Justin Martyr
(Dialogue with Trypho the Jew Chapter XVIII.—Christians would observe the law, if they did not know why it was instituted. [A.D. 155]).
(First Apology Chapter LXVII.—Weekly worship of the Christians. [A.D. 155]).
(The Second Apology of Justin for the Christians Addressed to the Roman Senate. Chapter XXIII.—The opinion of the Jews regarding the law does an injury to God.)
(The Second Apology of Justin for the Christians Addressed to the Roman Senate. Chapter XLIII.—He concludes that the law had an end in Christ, who was born of the Virgin.)

Tertullian
(An Answer to the Jews Chapter II.—The Law Anterior to Moses. [A.D. 203]).
(An Answer to the Jews Chapter IV.—Of the Observance of the Sabbath.)(An Answer to the Jews Chapter VI.—Of the Abolition and the Abolisher of the Old Law. [A.D. 203])..(Apology Chapter XVI.)

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You have re-posted the exact same post here you posted earlier (from post # 519). A detailed scripture response was provided to this exact post of yours that your repeating in posts # 523 linked and post # 524 linked that you simply ignored while repeating the same post. I am still waiting a response from you. Are you going to respond to my posts to you from the linked posts above that prove why, from the scriptures that your post here is not biblical? If you agree with my responses to this exact post or disagree with my responses to you from the scriptures provided in posts # 523 linked and post # 524 linked please show why from the scriptures.

As posted earlier Colossians 2:16-17 is talking about the meat and drink offerings, the new moons and the ceremonial annual sabbaths in the Feast days not God's 4th commandment of the 10 commandments that give us the knowledge of what sin if when we break them in the new covenant *Romans 3:20; Romans 7:7; 1 John 3:4. You do know that there are many different kinds of annual sabbaths (plural not singular) in the annual Feast days that could fall on any day of the week right depending on the yearly cycle? These annual ceremonial sabbaths in the Feast days included; (1) Feast of Unleavened Bread (first and last day) *Leviticus 23:6-8 (2) Feast of Trumpets *Leviticus 23:24-25 (3) Day of Atonement *Leviticus 23:27-32 (4) Feast of Booths *Leviticus 23:34-36 (5) Feast of First Fruits *Leviticus 23:39 (6) Feast days of Holy convocation of no work (sabbaton Colossians 2:16 *Leviticus 23:7-8; 21;24; 27; 35-36 that were all shadows of things to come pointing to Jesus as the promised Messiah and Savoir of the world and not God's 4th commandment that points backwards to the finished work of creation (Genesis 2:1-3; Exodus 20:8-11) not forwards to things to come (Colossians 2:17). Now back to the OP topic please. Where is the scripture that says that Sunday or the first day of the week is "the Lords day" from Revelation 1:10?

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Please read the OP. As posted already in the OP and earlier throughout this thread we already know what the man-made teachings and traditions of the early church are in relation to it's claims that "the Lords day" of Revelation 1:10 is Sunday or the first day of the week. The purpose of this OP is to examine if these claims are true or not according to the scriptures. Now do you have any scripture that supports your teaching that Sunday or the first day of the week is "the Lords day" of Revelation 1:10? If not whose words are you following Gods' Word or the teachings and traditions of men outside of God's Word?

Take Care :)
 
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As posted earlier Colossians 2:16-17 is talking about the meat and drink offerings, the new moons and the ceremonial annual sabbaths in the Feast days not God's 4th commandment of the 10 commandments

The word "annual" is not found in the passage.

You have added to God's Word to make your SDA doctrine work.

The God's Word translation directly contradicts your claim.


G4521
σάββατον
sabbaton
sab'-bat-on
Of Hebrew origin [H7676]; the Sabbath (that is, Shabbath), or day of weekly repose from secular avocations (also the observance or institution itself); by extension a se'nnight, that is, the interval between two Sabbaths; likewise the plural in all the above applications: - sabbath (day), week.
Total KJV occurrences: 68



Colossians 2:16

(ESV) Therefore let no one pass judgment on you in questions of food and drink, or with regard to a festival or a new moon or a Sabbath.

(ESV+) Therefore let no one R7pass judgment on you R8in questions of food and drink, or with regard to R9a festival or R10a new moon or a Sabbath.

(Geneva) Let no man therefore condemne you in meate and drinke, or in respect of an holy day, or of the newe moone, or of the Sabbath dayes,

(GW) Therefore, let no one judge you because of what you eat or drink or about the observance of annual holy days, New Moon Festivals, or weekly worship days.

(KJV) Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:

(KJV+) Let noG3361 manG5100 thereforeG3767 judgeG2919 youG5209 inG1722 meat,G1035 orG2228 inG1722 drink,G4213 orG2228 inG1722 respectG3313 of an holyday,G1859 orG2228 of the new moon,G3561 orG2228 of the sabbathG4521 days:

(NKJV) So let no one judge you in food or in drink, or regarding a festival or a new moon or sabbaths,

(NLT) So don’t let anyone condemn you for what you eat or drink, or for not celebrating certain holy days or new moon ceremonies or Sabbaths.

(YLT) Let no one, then, judge you in eating or in drinking, or in respect of a feast, or of a new moon, or of sabbaths,

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The word "annual" is not found in the passage.

You have added to God's Word to make your SDA doctrine work.

The God's Word translation directly contradicts your claim.


G4521
σάββατον
sabbaton
sab'-bat-on
Of Hebrew origin [H7676]; the Sabbath (that is, Shabbath), or day of weekly repose from secular avocations (also the observance or institution itself); by extension a se'nnight, that is, the interval between two Sabbaths; likewise the plural in all the above applications: - sabbath (day), week.
Total KJV occurrences: 68



Colossians 2:16

(ESV) Therefore let no one pass judgment on you in questions of food and drink, or with regard to a festival or a new moon or a Sabbath.

(ESV+) Therefore let no one R7pass judgment on you R8in questions of food and drink, or with regard to R9a festival or R10a new moon or a Sabbath.

(Geneva) Let no man therefore condemne you in meate and drinke, or in respect of an holy day, or of the newe moone, or of the Sabbath dayes,

(GW) Therefore, let no one judge you because of what you eat or drink or about the observance of annual holy days, New Moon Festivals, or weekly worship days.

(KJV) Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:

(KJV+) Let noG3361 manG5100 thereforeG3767 judgeG2919 youG5209 inG1722 meat,G1035 orG2228 inG1722 drink,G4213 orG2228 inG1722 respectG3313 of an holyday,G1859 orG2228 of the new moon,G3561 orG2228 of the sabbathG4521 days:

(NKJV) So let no one judge you in food or in drink, or regarding a festival or a new moon or sabbaths,

(NLT) So don’t let anyone condemn you for what you eat or drink, or for not celebrating certain holy days or new moon ceremonies or Sabbaths.

(YLT) Let no one, then, judge you in eating or in drinking, or in respect of a feast, or of a new moon, or of sabbaths,

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As posted earlier, the context of Colossians 2:16 is to the meat and drink offerings, the new moons and the sabbaths (plural GNP) in the Feast days (G1859 ἑορτή). The annual sabbaths (plural not singular) in the annual Feast days that could fall on any day of the week depending on the yearly cycle include all the annual ceremonial sabbaths in the Feast days from (1) Feast of Unleavened Bread (first and last day) *Leviticus 23:6-8 (2) Feast of Trumpets *Leviticus 23:24-25 (3) Day of Atonement *Leviticus 23:27-32 (4) Feast of Booths *Leviticus 23:34-36 (5) Feast of First Fruits *Leviticus 23:39 (6) Feast days of Holy convocation of no work (sabbaton Colossians 2:16 *Leviticus 23:7-8; 21;24; 27; 35-36 that were all shadows of things to come pointing to Jesus as the promised Messiah and Savoir of the world and not God's 4th commandment that points backwards to the finished work of creation (Genesis 2:1-3; Exodus 20:8-11) not forwards to things to come (Colossians 2:17). Do you know what old testament scripture Paul is quoting from here? (see Ezekiel 45:17)

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Now back to the OP topic please. Where is the scripture that says that Sunday or the first day of the week is "the Lords day" from Revelation 1:10?

Take Care :)
 
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The agreement was abolished not the laws. You seem to not include this important scripture “This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, says the LORD: I will put My laws into their hearts, and in their minds I will write them,” Hebrews 10:16 The new covenant which still include God's laws are based on better promises.
You seem to confuse the fact that God said the new covenant would not like the one made at Sinai. So God's laws for Christians are whatever He commands through the gospel we can read what His commands "are", not "was" under Moses.
 
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You have re-posted the exact same post here you posted earlier (from post # 519). A detailed scripture response was provided to this exact post of yours that your repeating in posts # 523 linked and post # 524 linked that you simply ignored while repeating the same post. I am still waiting a response from you. Are you going to respond to my posts to you from the linked posts above that prove why, from the scriptures that your post here is not biblical? If you agree with my responses to this exact post or disagree with my responses to you from the scriptures provided in posts # 523 linked and post # 524 linked please show why from the scriptures.

As posted earlier Colossians 2:16-17 is talking about the meat and drink offerings, the new moons and the ceremonial annual sabbaths in the Feast days not God's 4th commandment of the 10 commandments that give us the knowledge of what sin if when we break them in the new covenant *Romans 3:20; Romans 7:7; 1 John 3:4. You do know that there are many different kinds of annual sabbaths (plural not singular) in the annual Feast days that could fall on any day of the week right depending on the yearly cycle? These annual ceremonial sabbaths in the Feast days included; (1) Feast of Unleavened Bread (first and last day) *Leviticus 23:6-8 (2) Feast of Trumpets *Leviticus 23:24-25 (3) Day of Atonement *Leviticus 23:27-32 (4) Feast of Booths *Leviticus 23:34-36 (5) Feast of First Fruits *Leviticus 23:39 (6) Feast days of Holy convocation of no work (sabbaton Colossians 2:16 *Leviticus 23:7-8; 21;24; 27; 35-36 that were all shadows of things to come pointing to Jesus as the promised Messiah and Savoir of the world and not God's 4th commandment that points backwards to the finished work of creation (Genesis 2:1-3; Exodus 20:8-11) not forwards to things to come (Colossians 2:17). Now back to the OP topic please. Where is the scripture that says that Sunday or the first day of the week is "the Lords day" from Revelation 1:10?

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Please read the OP. As posted already in the OP and earlier throughout this thread we already know what the man-made teachings and traditions of the early church are in relation to it's claims that "the Lords day" of Revelation 1:10 is Sunday or the first day of the week. The purpose of this OP is to examine if these claims are true or not according to the scriptures. Now do you have any scripture that supports your teaching that Sunday or the first day of the week is "the Lords day" of Revelation 1:10? If not whose words are you following Gods' Word or the teachings and traditions of men outside of God's Word?

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They don't understand what a shadow of things to come means, they've been fed their man fabricated doctrines which are a lie.
 
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They don't understand what a shadow of things to come means, they've been fed their man fabricated doctrines which are a lie.
Very true Hezekiah. I think what is worse I have had some conversations in the past with some people I have spoken to elsewhere and it really does not matter what scriptures you share with them they just do not want to know the scriptures that are shared with them no matter what. According to the scriptures the same thing happened to Jesus and the Apostles when they were sharing God's Word in fulfillment of the scriptures in *Isaiah 6:9-10 that Jesus and Paul quoted from to those who did not believe Gods' Word written as written in Matthew 13:14-15; Acts of the Apostles 28:26-27 and John 3:19-21. That said according to the very Words of Jesus, Gods' sheep hear His Voice (the Word) and follow Him but those who do not hear His voice (believe) are not His sheep in John 10:26-27. This is a warning to all of us (I include myself) we should be careful not to ignore God's Word as ignoring Gods' Word does not make it disappear, as it will become our judge come judgement day according to the scriptures in *John 12:47-48; Hebrews 10:26-31.

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and not God's 4th commandment that points backwards to the finished work of creation (Genesis 2:1-3; Exodus 20:8-11)

Did the children of Israel keep the 4th commandment while they were in bondage in Egypt, which was a time before the Sinai Commandment was given by God?


Deu 5:1 And Moses called all Israel, and said unto them, Hear, O Israel, the statutes and judgments which I speak in your ears this day, that ye may learn them, and keep, and do them.
Deu 5:2 The LORD our God made a covenant with us in Horeb.
Deu 5:3 The LORD made not this covenant with our fathers, but with us, even us, who are all of us here alive this day.
Deu 5:4 The LORD talked with you face to face in the mount out of the midst of the fire,
Deu 5:5 (I stood between the LORD and you at that time, to shew you the word of the LORD: for ye were afraid by reason of the fire, and went not up into the mount;) saying,
Deu 5:6 I am the LORD thy God, which brought thee out of the land of Egypt, from the house of bondage.
Deu 5:7 Thou shalt have none other gods before me.



Exo 20:1 And God spake all these words, saying,
Exo 20:2 I am the LORD thy God, which have brought thee out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage.
Exo 20:3 Thou shalt have no other gods before me.
Exo 20:4 Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth:
Exo 20:5 Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the LORD thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me;
Exo 20:6 And shewing mercy unto thousands of them that love me, and keep my commandments.
Exo 20:7 Thou shalt not take the name of the LORD thy God in vain; for the LORD will not hold him guiltless that taketh his name in vain.
Exo 20:8 Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.
Exo 20:9 Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work:
Exo 20:10 But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates:
Exo 20:11 For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.


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Did the children of Israel keep the 4th commandment while they were in bondage in Egypt, which was a time before the Sinai Commandment was given by God?


Deu 5:1 And Moses called all Israel, and said unto them, Hear, O Israel, the statutes and judgments which I speak in your ears this day, that ye may learn them, and keep, and do them.
Deu 5:2 The LORD our God made a covenant with us in Horeb.
Deu 5:3 The LORD made not this covenant with our fathers, but with us, even us, who are all of us here alive this day.
Deu 5:4 The LORD talked with you face to face in the mount out of the midst of the fire,
Deu 5:5 (I stood between the LORD and you at that time, to shew you the word of the LORD: for ye were afraid by reason of the fire, and went not up into the mount;) saying,
Deu 5:6 I am the LORD thy God, which brought thee out of the land of Egypt, from the house of bondage.
Deu 5:7 Thou shalt have none other gods before me.



Exo 20:1 And God spake all these words, saying,
Exo 20:2 I am the LORD thy God, which have brought thee out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage.
Exo 20:3 Thou shalt have no other gods before me.
Exo 20:4 Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth:
Exo 20:5 Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the LORD thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me;
Exo 20:6 And shewing mercy unto thousands of them that love me, and keep my commandments.
Exo 20:7 Thou shalt not take the name of the LORD thy God in vain; for the LORD will not hold him guiltless that taketh his name in vain.
Exo 20:8 Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.
Exo 20:9 Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work:
Exo 20:10 But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates:
Exo 20:11 For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it. .

As posted earlier we are not in the old covenant we are in the new covenant now. According to the scriptures in the new covenant, Gods Israel are no longer those who are born in the flesh of the seed of Abraham but are now all those who through faith in Gods Word are born of the Spirit of God *John 3:3-7; Romans 9:6-8; Galatians 3:27-28; Romans 2:28-29. If we have not been born again in the Spirit to believe and follow Gods' Word then we are not a part of God's Israel according to the scriptures and have no part in God's new covenant promise *Hebrews 8:10-12 from Jeremiah 31:31-34; Ezekiel 36:24-27. Those who are born again according to the scriptures do not practice known unrepentant sin *1 John 3:6-9 and sin is defined in the scriptures as breaking anyone of God's 10 commandments in James 2:10-11 and 1 John 3:4 and not believing and following God's Word in Romans 14:23.

According to the scriptures in times of ignorance God winks at but when God gives us a knowledge of the truth of His Word calls all men everywhere to believe and follow it *Acts of the Apostles 17:30-31; James 4:17. According to the scriptures if God gives us a knowledge of the truth of His Word and we reject it in order to continue in known unrepentant sin (breaking God's law and not believing His Word) there remains no more sacrifice for sin but a fearful looking forward to of the judgement to come in Hebrews 10:26-27. Of course this includes Gods' 4th commandment which is one of God's 10 commandments that in the new covenant give us the knowledge of what sin is when broken *Romans 3:20; Romans 7:7; 1 John 3:4. Sin (knowingly breaking anyone of God's 10 commandments) is the difference between the children of God and the children of the devil according to John in 1 John 2:3-4; 1 John 3:6-10; Revelation 12:17; Revelation 14:12 and Revelation 22:14.

Perhaps you may need to revisit your understanding of what the old and new covenants are. The scriptures state nowhere that Gods' 10 commandments are abolished or obsolete. It is the old covenant that is obsolete not Gods' 10 commandments. Gods 10 commandments in the new covenant have the same role they always had and that is to give us the knowledge of good (moral right doing) and evil (moral wrong doing); sin (moral wrong doing) and righteousness (moral right doing) *Romans 3:20; Romans 7:7; 1 John 3:4; Psalms 119:172. God's new covenant promise is that he will write His laws in our heart so that we can obey them by faith that works by love (see Romans 3:31 and Romans 13:8-10).

The new covenant is not a covenant of lawlessness (without law). The new covenant is a covenant of obedience to God's law in all those who have been born again through the Spirit to walk in God's Word and obey it *1 John 3:6-9; Galatians 5:16; Romans 3:31; Romans 8:4; Romans 13:8-10. According to the new covenant scriptures the purpose of God's law has the same role it always had and that is to give us the knowledge of what sin is when broken *Romans 3:20; Romans 7:7; 1 John 3:4 and if we break anyone of God's 10 commandments we stand guilty before God of sin *James 2:10-11. According to John the new covenant is not a covenant of lawlessness (without law) and those who claim it is are not telling the truth in 1 John 2:3-4. According to the scriptures sin is defined as breaking anyone of God's 10 commandments in James 2:10-11; 1 John 3:4 and not believing and following God's Word in Romans 14:23 and sin (breaking God's law) according to John is the difference between the children of God and the children of the devil in 1 John 3:9-10; 1 John 2:3-4; Revelation 12:17; Revelation 14:12 and Revelation 22:14.

So according to the new covenant scriptures Gods' people are born of the Spirit to keep all the commandments of God *1 John 3:6-9; Hebrews 8:10-12 and of course this includes Gods' 4th commandment "seventh day" Sabbath which is one of God's 10 commandments that give us the knowledge of what sin is when broken *Romans 3:20; Romans 7:7; Exodus 20:8-11)

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Now back to the OP. Do you have any scripture that supports the man-made teaching and tradition of the early church that Sunday is "the Lords day" of Revelation 1:10? This is an important question because this man-made teaching and tradition has led many to turn away, forget and break Gods' 4th commandment when God says "Remember" the Sabbath do to keep it Holy.

Jesus also says in His own words if we follow the teachings and traditions of men that break the commandments of God in Matthew 15:3-9 we are not worshiping God. Therefore the question should be considered if we are following man-made teachings and traditions that break the commandments of God who are we following; God or man? According to the scriptures BABYLON has fallen *Revelation 14:8-12; Revelation 18:1-5.

God is calling us all out from following man-made teachings and traditions that break the commandments of God back to the pure Word of God. According to the scriptures God's people are in every Church living up to all the light that God has revealed to them *John 10:16 but according to Jesus the hour is coming and now is that the true worshipers will worship the father in Spirit and in truth. God is a Spirit and those who worship Him must worship Him in Spirit and in truth *John 4:23-24.

In times of ignorance when we do not know any better God winks at but when he gives us a knowledge of the truth of His Word he calls all men everywhere to believe and follow what His Word says *Acts of the Apostles 5:29. "For if we sin willfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remains no more sacrifice for sins, but a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries." (Hebrews 10:26-27). "Fear God therefore and give glory to him; for the hour of his judgment is come: and worship him that made heaven, and earth, and the sea, and the fountains of waters." (Revelation 14:7).

Take Care :)
 
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Very true Hezekiah. I think what is worse I have had some conversations in the past with some people I have spoken to elsewhere and it really does not matter what scriptures you share with them they just do not want to know the scriptures that are shared with them no matter what. According to the scriptures the same thing happened to Jesus and the Apostles when they were sharing God's Word in fulfillment of the scriptures in *Isaiah 6:9-10 that Jesus and Paul quoted from to those who did not believe Gods' Word written as written in Matthew 13:14-15; Acts of the Apostles 28:26-27 and John 3:19-21. That said according to the very Words of Jesus, Gods' sheep hear His Voice (the Word) and follow Him but those who do not hear His voice (believe) are not His sheep in John 10:26-27. This is a warning to all of us (I include myself) we should be careful not to ignore God's Word as ignoring Gods' Word does not make it disappear, as it will become our judge come judgement day according to the scriptures in *John 12:47-48; Hebrews 10:26-31.

God bless :wave:
I think people just got comfortable with their one commandment man fabricated doctrine and everything else is abolished in their eyes so they can compromise with the world.
 
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