Lost Ten Tribes Are Still God's Israel

BABerean2 said:

Do you think Paul changed his mind?

Rom 1:16 For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.


Gal 1:6 I marvel that ye are so soon removed from him that called you into the grace of Christ unto another gospel:
Gal 1:7 Which is not another; but there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ.
Gal 1:8 But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.
Gal 1:9 As we said before, so say I now again, If any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.


One Gospel, One New Covenant Church, One People of God.

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Even your Paul knows better than that: Galatians 2:7-9, Romans 15:8.
Jesus confirms the New Covenant with His 12 Disciples at the Last Passover.

And Jesus couldn't have preached Paul's "christ crucified" gospel... because Jesus hadn't been murdered for His inheritance yet, Matthew 21:37-38.
Jesus calls His good news the Gospel of the Kingdom of God, Matthew 4:23, which 1 Peter 4:17 repeats, knowing the truth of John 12:48-50.

Apparently Paul never heard Jesus preach the Gospel of the Kingdom... which may be why he tried to curse Jesus and His 11 Apostles from Galilee... because, clearly, Galatians 3:2 is pointing directly at the Gospel of God... no other Gospel says that you must keep the Commandments to be given the Holy Spirit, John 14:15-17, which doctrine both 1 Peter 1:23 and James 1:18 repeat.

Ligurian said:

These are the Lost Ten Tribes

Osee 1:6 And she conceived again, and bore a daughter. And He said to him, Call her name, Unpitied: for I will no more have mercy on the house of Israel, but will surely set myself in array against them. 7 But I will have mercy on the house of Juda, and will save them by the Lord their God, and will not save them with bow, nor with sword, nor by war, nor by horses, nor by horsemen. 8 And she weaned Unpitied; and she conceived again, and bore a son. 9 And he said, Call his name, Not My people: for ye are not My people, and I am not your God. 10 Yet the number of the children of Israel was as the sand of the sea, which shall not be measured nor numbered: and it shall come to pass, that in the place where it was said to them, Ye are not My people, even they shall be called the sons of the living God.LXX

1 Peter 1:1-2 Peter, an apostle of Jesus Christ, to the alien Diaspora throughout Pontus, Galatia, Cappadocia, Asia, and Bithynia, 1:2 Elect according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, through sanctification of the Spirit, unto obedience and sprinkling of the blood of Jesus Christ: Grace unto you, and peace, be multiplied.
1 Peter 2:9-10 But ye [are] a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises of Him who hath called you out of darkness into His marvellous light: 10 Which in time past [were] not a people, but [are] now the people of God: which had not obtained mercy, but now have obtained mercy.

Matthew 4:12-17 Now when Jesus had heard that John was cast into prison, He departed into Galilee; 4:13 And leaving Nazareth, He came and dwelt in Capernaum, which is upon the sea coast, in the borders of Zabulon and Nephthalim: 4:14 That it might be fulfilled which was spoken by Esaias the prophet, saying, 4:15 The land of Zabulon, and the land of Nephthalim, by the way of the sea, beyond Jordan, Galilee of the nation; 4:16 The people which sat in darkness saw great light; and to them which sat in the region and shadow of death light is sprung up. 4:17 From that time Jesus began to preach, and to say, Repent: for the Kingdom of Heaven is at hand.

The Lost Ten Tribes are the Lost Sheep of the House of Israel

Matthew 10:5 These twelve Jesus sent forth, and commanded them, saying, Go not into the way of the Gentiles, and into any city of the Samaritans enter ye not: 10:6 But go rather to the Lost Sheep of the House of Israel. 10:7 And as ye go, preach, saying, The Kingdom of Heaven is at hand.

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Esaias 65:11 But ye are they that have left Me, and forget My holy mountain, and prepare a table for the devil, and fill up the drink-offering to Fortune. 12 I will deliver you up to the sword, ye shall all fall by slaughter: for I called you, and ye hearkened not; I spoke, and ye refused to hear; and ye did evil in My sight, and chose the things wherein I delighted not. 13 Therefore thus saith the Lord, Behold, My servants shall eat, but ye shall hunger: behold, My servants shall drink, but ye shall thirst: behold, My servants shall rejoice, but ye shall be ashamed: 14 behold, My servants shall exult with joy, but ye shall cry for the sorrow of your heart, and shall howl for the vexation of your spirit. 15 For ye shall leave your name for a loathing to My chosen, and the Lord shall destroy you: but My servants shall be called by a new name, 16 which shall be blessed on the earth; for they shall bless the true God: and they that swear upon the earth shall swear by the true God; for they shall forget the former affliction, it shall not come into their mind.LXX

Davy said:

Your first error... is how you failed to properly quote the Bible source about Ephraim, which was from Jeremiah 31, which was God talking about him. That's what I was covering.

Your second error is men's false doctrine of Hyper-Dispensationalism, which is the leaven idea that there is more than one Gospel of Jesus Christ. A 'stewardship' is not ANOTHER GOSPEL. It's just an administration of the SAME GOSPEL OF JESUS CHRIST. Thus it's SO... SILLY to think just because Israelites believe on Jesus, and Gentiles believe on Jesus, means two separate Gospels! It's stupid really!

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John 6:67 Then said Jesus unto The Twelve, Will ye also go away? 6:68 Then Simon Peter answered Him, Lord, to whom shall we go? Thou hast the words of eternal life.

John 12:44 Jesus cried and said, He that believeth on Me, believeth not on Me, but on Him that sent Me. 12:45 And he that seeth Me seeth him that sent Me. 12:46 I am come a light into the world, that whosoever believeth on Me should not abide in darkness. 12:47 And if any man hear My words, and believe not, I judge him not: for I came not to judge the world, but to save the world. 12:48 He that rejecteth Me, and receiveth not My words, hath one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day. 12:49 For I have not spoken of Myself; but the Father which sent Me, He gave Me a commandment, what I should say, and what I should speak. 12:50 And I know that His Commandment is Life Everlasting: whatsoever I speak therefore, even as the Father said unto Me, so I speak.

Deuteronomy 18:18 I will raise them up a Prophet from among their brethren, like unto thee, and will put My words in His mouth; and He shall speak unto them all that I shall command Him. 19 And it shall come to pass, [that] whosoever will not hearken unto My words which He shall speak in My name, I will require [it] of him.

Clare73 said:

Simple is not the issue.
Your "explanations" are your interpretation of metaphor and allegory in God's riddles (dark sayings--Numbers 12:8), which intepretation is in disagrement with authoritative NT teaching in 1 Corinthians 10:11; 1 Peter 1:20; Hebrews 1:2, Hebrews 9:26.

That is the issue.

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Davy said:

You're 'projecting', which is about one who blames others with what 'they' are actually guilty of doing.

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Non-responsive to the Scriputures presented above.

Davy said:

When you said the following in an earlier post, you IMPLIED the times of the Gentiles was fulfilled right after the 70 A.D. destruction of Jerusalem, and that is how I understood you...

BABerean2:
"Almost all Bible scholars agree that the first part of Luke 21:24 is about the destruction of Jerusalem during 70 AD. The times of the Gentiles are fulfilled after that event."

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The "first part" of the verse was accomplished in 70 AD.


Luk 21:24 And they shall fall by the edge of the sword, and shall be led away captive into all nations:


The "second part" of the verse is below, and is fulfilled at the future Second Coming of Christ.

and Jerusalem shall be trodden down of the Gentiles, until the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled.

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Davy said:

Call them what you want as believers on Christ, even Christian, but they are still Jews of the seed of Israel I'm talking about. Those who are converts to Judaism are not real Jews. The title of 'Jew' came from those of the seed of the tribe of Judah long ago (as per the Jewish historian Josephus who lived around 100 A.D.).

Also, FYI -- the Jews originally only made up the 3 tribes of Judah, Benjamin, and Levi in the southern "kingdom of Judah" right after Solomon's days. The rest of the tribes, 10 in the northern "kingdom of Israel" were not known as Jews. So really in the New Testament, many times when it uses the term 'Jew' it's really pointing to the idea of Israelites in general of all 12 tribes. The reason the title of 'Jew' began to be used to represent Israel, was because after God removed and scattered the ten northern tribes, those 10 tribes became lost... literally, to the Jews of the southern kingdom, and to the world. To this day Jewish scholars are divided over whether the ten lost tribes will ever return to the holy land. Yet God promised in His Word He would return them in final (i.e., when Jesus returns).

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Amen.

Anglo Israelism? Please...

Davy said:

No, it is based on the Scriptures that I posted AS PROOF in my post #28, which is Scripture you obviously reject.

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Never confuse the rejection of anyone's personal interpretation of Scripture with a rejection of the Scripture itself.

Davy said:

But there are those here that are Anti-Semitic, and hate all Jews, even the title of Jew, and attach the devil with that name! And it's not hard to see those working right here with another spirit in them.

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When all else fails, call names.

Davy said:

That's an idiotic Yoda riddle, right?

How does one do reading comprehension without interpreting? It's impossible not to do both... at the same time!

So what you actually... should be pointing to, is whether or not one is 'properly' doing 'reading comprehension' IN ORDER to do a 'proper' Biblical interpretation... as written.

That's one of main problems I see on forums like this one, many failing to do proper reading comprehension, illiteracy with many words in English even. How can one do proper Bible interpretation of the written Scripture if they failed simple English grammar?

But hey, God knew that would happen with many lazy people who don't like to study His Word line upon line, chapter by chapter, so He provided a system to make study of His Holy Writ even easier! He provided many analogies, allegories, parables, idioms, and expressions that pretty much everyone is familiar with. That accomplished two main things. It confused the haughty uppity I know everything academic types. But among those who study to show themselves approved of God, He caused all those allegories, parables, idioms, expressions, etc., to make sense simply by looking at their everyday lives! He made His Word more simple for the pure in heart, but confusion for the 'hirelings' that He did not call.

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Remember that when any of us points 1 finger at someone else, there are three fingers pointing back in our direction.

The commandment of Christ found below also tells us to apply our criticism of others to ourselves.


Mat_22:39 And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.


"That's an idiotic Yoda riddle, right..."

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Davy said:

So you are speaking from the Orthodox Jew perspective I see.

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Nope, I'm Anglican.

No such thing as 'Anglo Israelism'.[ That's a term used by the "synagogue of Satan" who think to steal Christ's inheritance (Matthew 21 parable of the vineyard).

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OK, Euro-Israelism, then? Which branch of White Folks are Israel?

Davy said:

It's apparent you've never read the Psalms 2 Scripture about that future event of Christ's literal reign over the wicked at His return.

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Don't you assert Satan is locked in the Pit and unable to decieve anyone during this time?

If so how can there be any "wicked" dwelling upon the earth during that time if Satan has been Bound away and is unable to decieve anyone into wickedness?

How does someone Born 300 or 500 years into this thousand year period learn to be wicked when there is no satanic deception anywhere to tempt, deceive or entice them into wickedness?

Conversely, do the wicked and unrepentant then somehow share in Christ's victory over Satan during the 1000 years?

Davy said:

There's the Jewish fables again.

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Well, the notion that Europeans are the Lost Tribes of Israel is a fable right eough.

If I was gonna pick out the people who most likely to be the Lost Tribes, I'd opt for the Chinese. And FWIW, "Chinese" describes an ethnicity, not a "race". Buncha those folks, too, almost like the sands of the sea, knowhutimean?

The Jews always try to inject the 'race' card into a Biblical subject they are against, which is evidence of the old Canaanite tamperings among God's people.

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It's really a matter of little import to me what the Jews do or don't do, although I'll admit that I reckon you're a fairly dubious source of information of that kind anyway.

As a for my ancestry, sword side it's English/Welsh/Scots as far as I've cared to look, and distaff it's Korean all the way back to Hwanung and Hanja. Nary a Hebrew in sight, although I do betray some of my ursine ancestry from time to time. How about yours? You related to King David on your mama's side?