Colorado baker fined for refusing to bake cake for transgender woman

durangodawood · Jun 17, 2021

Quartermaine said:
like a sign that says "whites only" ?

No. I said you have to list every one you refuse.

FireDragon76 · Jun 17, 2021

Does he make similar cakes for other people, or is the problem with the person's gender identity? Because if its the latter, it's probably in violation of the law and not protected speech.

chevyontheriver · Jun 17, 2021

FireDragon76 said:
Does he make similar cakes for other people, or is the problem with the person's gender identity? Because if its the latter, it's probably in violation of the law and not protected speech.

If he doesn't make transgender coming out cakes for everybody then he is in trouble.

FireDragon76 · Jun 17, 2021

chevyontheriver said:
If he doesn't make transgender coming out cakes for everybody then he is in trouble.

The customer asked for a birthday cake that happens to be pink and blue. He doesn't seem incapable of making one, so it's hard not to conclude there is animus against someone because of their gender identity.

Pommer · Jun 17, 2021

Here’s the decision itself.

The bakery would have made the cake as specified right up the time Ms. Scardina told them why she wanted it made like this:

“Mrs. Phillips confirmed that the Bakery would have made a pink cake with blue frosting if Ms. Scardina had not then shared her protected status and the meaning of the colors to her. Only after Mrs. Phillips stated that the Bakery could make the requested item did Ms. Scardina then share that she had chosen those colors to reflect and celebrate her transition from a male to a female.”

FireDragon76 · Jun 17, 2021

Pommer said:
Here’s the decision itself.

The bakery would have made the cake as specified right up the time Ms. Scardina told them why she wanted it made like this:

“Mrs. Phillips confirmed that the Bakery would have made a pink cake with blue frosting if Ms. Scardina had not then shared her protected status and the meaning of the colors to her. Only after Mrs. Phillips stated that the Bakery could make the requested item did Ms. Scardina then share that she had chosen those colors to reflect and celebrate her transition from a male to a female.”

Of course, this doesn't surprise me. This has never been about artistic expression, but about denying service. Artistic expression is just a red herring invented by lawyers.

Metaethicist said:
If there is a checkmate, then by definition there was goading to lead to it, as admits a strategy to force that outcome. Right? But I've not goaded.

Civil rights cases have usually involved a degree of contrivance to present the court with a test case, but that hardly makes the cases bogus in doing so.

FireDragon76 · Jun 17, 2021

Metaethicist said:
When homosexualist push their propaganda through kids shows or through 'model policies' in the department of education, they hurt kids.

When they do drag, parade in front of children, or otherwise exhibit perversity in front of children, they hurt kids.

Whatever may be said of errant perverse married couples, they aren't pushing for institutionalized child sex abuse like what forms a bulk of homosexualist political action. So, the rates are very high at that level.

It's not our courts job to define sin, especially when the majority of Americans, including many on the Court, don't agree with your views of gay and trans people.

FireDragon76 · Jun 17, 2021

Metaethicist said:
It is the point of the law itself to uphold universal morality and if not the law is divided against itself. The majority is influenced, especially by state or corporate sponsored propaganda, and a majority under such influence is not exempt from morality.

There is no universal morality concerning homosexuality or transsexualism. There's plenty of cultures where both have been accepted.

Ceallaigh · Jun 17, 2021

He refused to make a cake because of its symbolism. A cake that was blue on the outside and pink on the inside to celebrate gender transition.

What if he refused to make a cake that was white on the outside and white on the inside to celebrate white supremacy?

chevyontheriver · Jun 17, 2021

FireDragon76 said:
The customer asked for a birthday cake that happens to be pink and blue. He doesn't seem incapable of making one, so it's hard not to conclude there is animus against someone because of their gender identity.

I think the animus against someone because of gender identity would be if he would sell a pink and blue transgender coming out cake to anyone but a transgender person.

Ceallaigh · Jun 17, 2021

So someone goes to a baker, who won a partial victory at the U.S. Supreme Court in 2018 for refusing to make a wedding cake to celebrate same-sex marriage, and tells him to make a cake to celebrate transgenderism. Looks like an agenda to me.

Pommer · Jun 17, 2021

MMXX said:
What if he refused to make a cake that was white on the outside and white on the inside to celebrate white supremacy?

He wouldn’t be selling cakes long.

RDKirk · Jun 17, 2021

pescador said:
Suppose you were refused service because you're single. The business required you to be married before you could buy there, Would you still say that it's up to him/her whom they do business with?

Actually, that would be legal.

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