Florida continues to kill it!

Sophrosyne said:

But that isn't allowable by the left.... voter ID is racist you know.

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It doesn't have to be, it is just that the attempts by the GOP have been.

But if that's the concern, I'd be OK with requiring proof of vaccination before voting only from white people. I mean, the GOP and supporters would have to be fine with it, given that it addresses the very very real problem of voter fraud, and does it in a way which doesn't disenfranchise minority voters, which this post seems "genuinely" concerned about. So a winner all around, obviously.

Sophrosyne said:

As the infection rates and death rates fall, precautions have become more and more unreasonable. If you are in an area that once was a gangland war zone with bullets flying wearing a vest and hiding in your homes protecting yourself is a given but if you are not in an area where no bullets are flying, nobody is shooting at anyone and it is quiet and some people are walking the streets unarmed with nobody attacking them for months then maybe wearing a vest and hiding in your home isn't reasonable precautions any more and having the media tell you that it is unsafe out there isn't reality any more.

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Like I said, there seems to be a need among some to prove how tough they are by not being afraid. I'm impressed by how well this messaging hits its marks.

Sophrosyne said:

Keep you safe is 3 words and tells it all.

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On which vaccine website or package insert are those?

Sophrosyne said:

It is hard to say if people really voluntary wear seat belts because of safety concerns when most states ticket people for not wearing them basically the choice could be considered a financial instead of safety one.

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True -- but you don't see a lot of people protesting seat belt laws, do you?

People are doing the right thing, even if it's not always for the right reasons. As a Christian, you've probably seen plenty of people being good not so much because they "want" to, but because they were told to... or because they think God is going to drop-kick them into the Inferno if they don't.

Do you think it matters?

KCfromNC said:

It doesn't have to be, it is just that the attempts by the GOP have been.

But if that's the concern, I'd be OK with requiring proof of vaccination before voting only from white people. I mean, the GOP and supporters would have to be fine with it, given that it addresses the very very real problem of voter fraud, and does it in a way which doesn't disenfranchise minority voters, which this post seems "genuinely" concerned about. So a winner all around, obviously.

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Since vaccine IDs are not state controlled and issued I think it likely would be a huge advantage for those in power in the federal government so the GOP would not be fine with it and the Dems would be all giggly over having more and more control over non legal citizens voting for them as they would likely make ANY one with a new GLOBAL ID able to vote in our elections if they reside in the
US at the time. They could invite a few thousand vaccine carded "guests" from a third world country and entice them to vote for them with promises of citizenship.... oh wait, they are already doing that they just need to use vaccine cards to force states who don't accept that as a valid ID to vote and require state issued ID to vote that defeat VID (vaccine ID).

Sophrosyne said:

Since vaccine IDs are not state controlled and issued I think it likely would be a huge advantage for those in power in the federal government so the GOP would not be fine with it and the Dems would be all giggly over having more and more control over non legal citizens voting for them as they would likely make ANY one with a new GLOBAL ID able to vote in our elections if they reside in the
US at the time. They could invite a few thousand vaccine carded "guests" from a third world country and entice them to vote for them with promises of citizenship.... oh wait, they are already doing that they just need to use vaccine cards to force states who don't accept that as a valid ID to vote and require state issued ID to vote that defeat VID (vaccine ID).

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I'm sorry, but this is just coming off like a total word salad. What?

Mayzoo said:

On which vaccine website or package insert are those?

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If you haven't heard the constant drumming of keep/keeping you safe or similar phrases that insist if you
do this or that you are "safe" then you won't connect it in your mind (or refuse to do so). Fauci himself has talked about "keeping you safe". It is an illogical premise to first tell everyone that they are not safe from Covid, tell them that 2 million will die if we do nothing and then insist we are kept safe with over half a million die many after doing all the stuff that promises to "keep you safe".
To put it short 1)you aren't safe from Covid 19, using a mask enforces(keeps) your safety, vaccines enforces (keeps) you safe (from getting C19, death).
You can't start at a negative and keep that negative and end up with a positive if that negative still exists that you started with. If you are broke you can't keep your money, you have none, if you do things that don't give you money then you aren't keeping money still, and if you have a lingering chance of losing any money you have but still have no money does it matter? No money, no keeping money. If you aren't safe, you can't keep safe and vaccines don't keep you safe as the narrative parrots. I watched a Covid 19 vaccine commercial on TV put out by the CDC I think (or another government agency) that starts with the premise of a normal life doing normal things and then ends with the idea that getting vaccinated "promises" a return to this. Now if this isn't an example of keeping you safe then what is? The problem is the commercial doesn't mention herd immunity, not the risks of taking the vaccine just plays as a dream and entices you to buy into it.

Sophrosyne said:

If you haven't heard the constant drumming of keep/keeping you safe or similar phrases that insist if you
do this or that you are "safe" then you won't connect it in your mind (or refuse to do so). Fauci himself has talked about "keeping you safe". It is an illogical premise to first tell everyone that they are not safe from Covid, tell them that 2 million will die if we do nothing and then insist we are kept safe with over half a million die many after doing all the stuff that promises to "keep you safe".
To put it short 1)you aren't safe from Covid 19, using a mask enforces(keeps) your safety, vaccines enforces (keeps) you safe (from getting C19, death).
You can't start at a negative and keep that negative and end up with a positive if that negative still exists that you started with. If you are broke you can't keep your money, you have none, if you do things that don't give you money then you aren't keeping money still, and if you have a lingering chance of losing any money you have but still have no money does it matter? No money, no keeping money. If you aren't safe, you can't keep safe and vaccines don't keep you safe as the narrative parrots. I watched a Covid 19 vaccine commercial on TV put out by the CDC I think (or another government agency) that starts with the premise of a normal life doing normal things and then ends with the idea that getting vaccinated "promises" a return to this. Now if this isn't an example of keeping you safe then what is? The problem is the commercial doesn't mention herd immunity, not the risks of taking the vaccine just plays as a dream and entices you to buy into it.

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I recommend folks get their information from a package insert, their doctor or directly from the vaccine website. I do not recommend folks get their information from anything they see on TV including the news, or commercials (from any source).

No, I have not heard any "drumming" about safety as I read the news and get medical information straight from the source (package inserts, medical journals etc....). I also simply don't make time for TV. Not against it, just won't make time for it.

Mayzoo said:

I recommend folks get their information from a package insert, their doctor or directly from the vaccine website. I do not recommend folks get their information from anything they see on TV including the news, or commercials (from any source).

No, I have not heard any "drumming" about safety as I read the news and get medical information straight from the source (package inserts, medical journals etc....). I also simply don't make time for TV. Not against it, just won't make time for it.

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You are more cautious than most who eagerly are too lazy to check into things, they are like impulse buyers that "buy into" the vaccine based up the selling point of "safe" constantly repeated everywhere.
We have been as a whole treated like a herd of sheep with this pandemic by people who are just throwing ideas out there and trying them and acting like they are cures to solve the problem and the results are all over the place a lot of opinions masquerading as facts went on. Sadly the person who made all the vaccines possible is not given any credit for making it happen instead the vaccines are being used as a tool to again control people by offering them more freedom than non vaccinated people even when the statistics don't support the excessive limitations at this time in some areas. Requiring vaccines to do anything that are not mandated by the goverments is essentially playing a game of "shopping" for doctors that agree with you and using them to discount those who do not.
I'm not saying that it is altogether wrong to agree with someone that seems to make sense but to discount another that also makes sense but different sense and based upon one doctor over the other you make mandates that limit the quality of life for some over concerns that should be a matter of choice than mandate is not a good thing. I applaud shutting down the "vaccine only" events entirely especially when there is essentially NO curve at all to flatten now any new outbreak likely will be limited and only affect a few people not the whole crowd otherwise states would see no drop in deaths or infections at all.
I just read a news title on Newsmax where a majority of fans ditched their masks at the game. If there is no outbreak does that mean they should still be shamed? Does that mean if a lot of them aren't vaccinated they should also be shamed? Time will tell on people starting to push back on unrealistic restrictions.

Oompa Loompa said:

If the vaccine works as well as they claim, who exactly is endangered?

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95% effectiveness is not 100%.

And then there are the other non-vaccinated passengers.

I am in the medical field, and while it was not required, I got the vaccine anyway. Too many people in my life whose immune systems would allow this virus to cause too much trouble for them. I also got it to make sure I can travel to see my children who live 1200 miles away. Wanted to be sure that if there was a requirement, I was covered.

I also did my research and am confident in the vaccine's safety!

Sophrosyne said:

If you haven't heard the constant drumming of keep/keeping you safe or similar phrases that insist if you
do this or that you are "safe" then you won't connect it in your mind (or refuse to do so). Fauci himself has talked about "keeping you safe". It is an illogical premise to first tell everyone that they are not safe from Covid, tell them that 2 million will die if we do nothing and then insist we are kept safe with over half a million die many after doing all the stuff that promises to "keep you safe".
To put it short 1)you aren't safe from Covid 19, using a mask enforces(keeps) your safety, vaccines enforces (keeps) you safe (from getting C19, death).
You can't start at a negative and keep that negative and end up with a positive if that negative still exists that you started with. If you are broke you can't keep your money, you have none, if you do things that don't give you money then you aren't keeping money still, and if you have a lingering chance of losing any money you have but still have no money does it matter? No money, no keeping money. If you aren't safe, you can't keep safe and vaccines don't keep you safe as the narrative parrots. I watched a Covid 19 vaccine commercial on TV put out by the CDC I think (or another government agency) that starts with the premise of a normal life doing normal things and then ends with the idea that getting vaccinated "promises" a return to this. Now if this isn't an example of keeping you safe then what is? The problem is the commercial doesn't mention herd immunity, not the risks of taking the vaccine just plays as a dream and entices you to buy into it.

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Safety is relative, not absolute.

Less than a quarter of Floridians (24%) agree with their governor’s position that cruise lines should not be allowed to require guests to show proof of vaccination, according to a new statewide survey from the University of South Florida School of Public Affairs. A combined majority either believe that proof of vaccination should be mandated on cruise ships sailing from Florida (43%) or that cruise lines should decide for themselves (33%).

BBAS 64 said:

Good Day,

SNIP.... "The about-face is an apparent submission to Gov. Ron DeSantis, who has insisted that there will be no exception made for cruise companies to a newly passed Florida law that fines companies $5,000 each time they ask a patron to provide proof of vaccination. Royal Caribbean International’s sister brand Celebrity Cruises (both owned by Royal Caribbean Group) is still requiring all passengers 16 years old or older be vaccinated on its seven-night Caribbean cruises that are restarting from Port Everglades on June 26."


https://www.miamiherald.com/news/bu...0tLQhZG2oYJ42l-uVnuy-8hAvKx-om8VuqySiT0w-1_o0

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seeking.IAM said:

I suspect we won't fully understand how the phrase "Florida continues to kill it" applies until reports are back from the first few Royal Carribean cruises. Best wishes to them all.

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This thread aged well.
Florida COVID: 2,579,701 Cases and 38,840 Deaths - Worldometer

They refused to publish their stats for a few days. Yesterday they had 12000+ new cases. SMH.

BBAS 64 said:

Good Day,

Given the age of the residents... not so bad.

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Not so bad? Their daily number of new infections is approaching all-time highs and the rate of growth of new infections is higher than it was last summer.

BBAS 64 said:

Good Day,

Given the age of the residents... not so bad.

Just got back from there not to long ago (much better down there then).... off to Mexico and Florida again in the late fall, then Punta Cana in the spring.

Cheap flights easy travel.

As too the OP how many 500.00 (if any) fines will/ have been issued by the state of Florida

In Him,

Bill

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Folks in NH, VT and ME are all older, and they have among the lowest rates in the country.

BBAS 64 said:

Good Day,

Ok...never really paid that close of attention thanks for that, and that has to do with the OP how?

In Him,

Bill

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Because "Florida continues to kill it" is taking on a new, though predictable, meaning.