Florida continues to kill it!

Desantis is exceeding his constitutional authority. Cruise companies have every right to take steps to ensure the safety of their passangers. I expect a court challenge. In the interim, he is actually endangering the cruise industry by putting it at risk.

Isilwen said:

Please no! I have enough Covid patients that I have transported, don't need those who were dumb enough enough not to protect themselves!

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You drive (or ride in) a whaaaaambulance? How can you stand it!?!

essentialsaltes said:

You drive (or ride in) a whaaaaambulance? How can you stand it!?!

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I'm an EMT, so every shift I am in an ambulance, or uber taxi, or as you have called it a whaaaaambulance.

It's my chosen profession, and some days, just barely!

Kentonio said:

Wow. Even setting aside how incredibly callous that is, it's also scary to discover that to you human lives are nothing more than just currency basically to be spent or replaced like that.

Please don't ever share what you just said with one of the family members of people lost to Covid.

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It is less callous than tossing aborted fetuses in the dumpster or selling them for profit by the hundreds of thousands a year IMO. People die it is a fact of live but not allowing people to ever be born is a lot more callous a crime. It is like saying that these people are WORTHLESS.... period. Compare that with trying to save older folks without having to lose everything you have and be homeless because of fear some 80 year old will die from C19.
There are people starving in Africa and Dying in concentration camps in China that nobody seem to care about. Feigning you "care" about every life when honestly NONE of us really does, and as we are not God to have the capacity to love 7 billion people at a time I don't expect anyone to care about 100 million people that they won't ever know in this life likely most of us will never know even a few thousand people let along "love them" and "care for them" personally so a lot of this is more along the line of "correct virtue signaling).
Did you donate a kidney and part of your liver to save someone? Since I didn't I must not be a good Christian because I could possibly save a few lives. Did I not eat out ever or buy nicer stuff or never go see a movie and spend all the money saved to help the homeless? No, so I don't care about those people.
I'm not bothered by the fact we have limits to how unselfish we can be so we can care about everyone.

FireDragon76 said:

Desantis is exceeding his constitutional authority. Cruise companies have every right to take steps to ensure the safety of their passangers. I expect a court challenge. In the interim, he is actually endangering the cruise industry by putting it at risk.

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I think he is banking on other states not having infrastructure to accommodate them and lack of cash reserves making the companies tap out.

KCfromNC said:

Not anyone who understands the reality of each situation. Voter fraud is virtually non-existent, unlike covid.

But as a compromise, I'd be in favor of restricting voting to only people who have been vaccinated.

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If it is non existent then investigating it shouldn't be a problem... but wait we have a huge fight going on to halt any investigations of it so maybe there is a lot more fraud than realized.

BUT ABORTION! The perfect way to muddy the waters and derail any thread regardless of topic.

KCfromNC said:

Yeah, I've heard it from posts attempting to minimize (for some strange reason) the risk of something which killed well over half a million Americans last year.

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My problem is not with minimizing..... but exaggerating the amount as if the livelihood of the whole country is at risk. It is like Chicken Little her with C19.... the world is DYING!!!.... C19 will kill us all if you don't go hide under a rock!. Abotion is equally IGNORED and minimized and kills the same number year after year after year and these future people could have 80 years ahead of them GONE, instead of just a few. Some of those aborted could have done great things like come up with a cure for cancer or maybe better energy solutions but nope, we don't want those minds to ever exist. Black lives only matter after they are born, in the wombs that don't matter at all.
So me telling the truth about not destroying a thousand peoples lives who are in their prime to give some senior citizen another year of life before he has a heart attack to dote on his grandchildren who are stuck at home because fear of Covid and their parents who struggle to keep from being evicted because people at work are afraid of DEATH by covid and refuse to work. Those who tout death death death over COVID when confronted with statistics appeal to emotion..... and accuse people of being uncaring but people not at risk are losing quality of life far far beyond what savings from death have been from putting people almost in concentration camps over a disease that kills a lot less than those who die of hunger every year. Did you know about 9 million people starve to death a year? Where is your outrage over that number we could probably feed 5 million people for a year on what we have spent to save perhaps a half million likely older people. Don't you care about those people. I will admit if I could do something substantial I may care more but sadly often these people starve because they have children that they know they can't support in poor countries and we cannot care for everyone.
You can call me callous for not caring about the starving people if you want, I know I'm not God I cannot care about every life on the planet and every person suffering so whatever number you throw at me doesn't phase me that much because statistics to me means using what we can afford to help those who we can help them most and throwing trillions at saving a half a million lives vs probably a couple of hundred billions to save several million lives where does care begin? To me yes, people are Americans vs foreigners starving does that mean as a Christian I have to "care" for people based upon sort of tribal affiliation or does the "good samaritan" thinking apply that we are to love strangers even enemies and not stop at just our neighbor.

If you can't care for everyone about everything then you have to resort to statistics and do what you can with what you can afford and that at times leaves you caring about some people and seemingly not about others.
One could easily accuse a person that has enough extra to buy one meal for one person about not caring about the second person that is starving needing a meal especially what that person you buy the meal for is... yourself.

Desk trauma said:

BUT ABORTION! The perfect way to muddy the waters and derail any thread regardless of topic.

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Death is death.... when you start appealing to numbers of death and caring and calling people callous (appealing to emotion) you open the door to counter arguments about equal caring and death statistics.
Anyway this is drifting way off course here. There isn't going to be any substantial covid deaths on cruise ships if they were to let ALL unvaccinated people on board as the virus has made its way through the population and got to most of the people that haven't been hiding in their basement since early 2020.

Desk trauma said:

BUT ABORTION! The perfect way to muddy the waters and derail any thread regardless of topic.

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It only muddies the waters in the Evangelicals limited understanding of the world. Everybody else recognizes womens wombs don't belong to the state or to clerics.

renniks said:

Yes, loss of freedom to move freely about anywhere.

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The freedom to move "anywhere" is not absolute.
The Constitution does not establish your right to get on a cruise ship.

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Sophrosyne said:

It is less callous than tossing aborted fetuses in the dumpster or selling them for profit by the hundreds of thousands a year IMO. People die it is a fact of live but not allowing people to ever be born is a lot more callous a crime. It is like saying that these people are WORTHLESS.... period. Compare that with trying to save older folks without having to lose everything you have and be homeless because of fear some 80 year old will die from C19.
There are people starving in Africa and Dying in concentration camps in China that nobody seem to care about. Feigning you "care" about every life when honestly NONE of us really does, and as we are not God to have the capacity to love 7 billion people at a time I don't expect anyone to care about 100 million people that they won't ever know in this life likely most of us will never know even a few thousand people let along "love them" and "care for them" personally so a lot of this is more along the line of "correct virtue signaling).
Did you donate a kidney and part of your liver to save someone? Since I didn't I must not be a good Christian because I could possibly save a few lives. Did I not eat out ever or buy nicer stuff or never go see a movie and spend all the money saved to help the homeless? No, so I don't care about those people.
I'm not bothered by the fact we have limits to how unselfish we can be so we can care about everyone.

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"Caring" is highly selective and modulated by self interest. Honesty demands this admission. I find the current climate of "weaponized caring" abhorrent.

Isilwen said:

I'm an EMT, so every shift I am in an ambulance, or uber taxi, or as you have called it a whaaaaambulance.

It's my chosen profession, and some days, just barely!

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Thanks for your service. I have known a few EMT's and it can be a really tough job.

wing2000 said:

The freedom to move "anywhere" is not absolute.
The Constitution does not establish your right to get on a cruise ship.

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It's amazing how people keep inventing mythical rights.

durangodawood said:

The "ME generation" is alive and well.

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I find selfishness lies at the heart of these arguments. Individual "rights", including the right to get on a cruise ship, surpases all other considerations.

wing2000 said:

I find selfishness lies at the heart of these arguments. Individual "rights", including the right to get on a cruise ship, surpases all other considerations.

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This is from the same school of thought that thinks of Gordon Gecko as a hero, after all, and not some kind of dark commentary on Wall Street's predatory ways. You mostly see thing sort of thing among boomers that feel entitled.

wing2000 said:

The freedom to move "anywhere" is not absolute.
The Constitution does not establish your right to get on a cruise ship.

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There is potentially much more at stake than cruise ships in all this. Desantis, being in the conservative cause, is attempting to throw a wrench in the left's plans to consolidate power over everyone via "vaccine passports". I side with him totally, as the language of the left has become coercive and anti-freedom.

They are now working with the globalists to subvert our Founders' warnings against centralized power. They play around the letter, then violate the spirit, of their writings. (IMO, of course.)

GOD Shines Forth! said:

There is potentially much more at stake than cruise ships in all this. Desantis, being in the conservative cause, is attempting to throw a wrench in the left's plans to consolidate power over everyone via "vaccine passports". I side with him totally, as the language of the left has become coercive and anti-freedom.

They are now working with the globalists to subvert our Founders' warnings against centralized power. They play around the letter, then violate the spirit, of their writings. (IMO, of course.)

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Wow... you actually believe this... why?

GOD Shines Forth! said:

"Caring" is highly selective and modulated by self interest. Honesty demands this admission. I find the current climate of "weaponized caring" abhorrent.

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A agree as Covid restrictions are shaming people with the notion they don't care to submit to them. The fact is most people that care about people around them in their community have a disconnect about people not around them regardless of what they say about it. When you attach "you don't care" when someone rejects your demands it is sort of an emotional blackmail of sorts something that a lot of teens use against their parents growing up to try and get their way.