It is important for Gentiles to comprehend the "grafting in" analogy of Ro 11

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Romans 11:
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For I speak to you Gentiles; inasmuch as I am an apostle to the Gentiles,
I magnify my ministry....

19 You will say then, Branches were broken off that I might be grafted in.
20 Well said. Because of unbelief they were broken off, and you stand by faith.
Do not be haughty, but fear.
21
For if God did not spare the natural branches, He may not spare you either.
22
Therefore consider the goodness and severity of God: on those who fell, severity;
but toward you, goodness, if you continue in His goodness. Otherwise you also
will be cut off
.
23 And they also, if they do not continue in unbelief, will be grafted in, for God is able
to graft them in again.
24 For if you were cut out of the olive tree which is wild by nature, and were grafted
contrary to nature into a cultivated olive tree, how much more will these, who are natural
branches, be grafted into their own olive tree?
 
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Romans 11:
13
For I speak to you Gentiles; inasmuch as I am an apostle to the Gentiles,
I magnify my ministry....

19 You will say then, Branches were broken off that I might be grafted in.
20 Well said. Because of unbelief they were broken off, and you stand by faith.
Do not be haughty, but fear.
21
For if God did not spare the natural branches, He may not spare you either.
22
Therefore consider the goodness and severity of God: on those who fell, severity;
but toward you, goodness, if you continue in His goodness. Otherwise you also
will be cut off
.
23 And they also, if they do not continue in unbelief, will be grafted in, for God is able
to graft them in again.
24 For if you were cut out of the olive tree which is wild by nature, and were grafted
contrary to nature into a cultivated olive tree, how much more will these, who are natural branches, be grafted into their own olive tree?

Yes, chapter 11 is very difficult for a first time Christian to understand but once you unlocked it, it really shows you how wonderful God's plan was from Israel to gentiles, and back to Israel again.
 
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It's important for Gentiles and Jews to understand that.
Considering this teaching in terms of God's purpose as Paul states here:
Romans 11:
11
I say then, have they stumbled that they should fall? Certainly not! But through their fall,
to provoke them to jealousy, salvation has come to the Gentiles.
12 Now if their fall is riches for the world, and their failure riches for the Gentiles, how much
more their fullness!
13 For I speak to you Gentiles; inasmuch as I am an apostle to the Gentiles, I magnify my ministry,
14 if by any means I may provoke to jealousy those who are my flesh and save some of them.
15 For if their being cast away is the reconciling of the world, what will their acceptance be but life
from the dead?

Also considering that the church in its infancy was Jew and Gentile together, can Gentile churches
today fulfill this intent to provoke unbelieving Jews to jealousy, or is this one reason for the growth
in Messianic fellowships in our day. Paul points out a culmination of this work later in the chapter.


25 For I do not desire, brethren, that you should be ignorant of this mystery, lest you should be wise
in your own opinion, that blindness in part has happened to Israel until the fullness of the Gentiles
has come in.
26 And so all Israel will be saved, as it is written:
The Deliverer will come out of Zion,
And He will turn away ungodliness from Jacob;
27 For this is My covenant with them,
When I take away their sins.

This seems to be a prerequisite to:
Luke 21:24 And they will fall by the edge of the sword, and be led away captive into all nations.
And Jerusalem will be trampled by Gentiles until the times of the Gentiles are fulfilled.

I realize that in typing this, I just pushed this thread into eschatology, LOL.
If you move
it, I won't be shocked.
 
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Romans 11:
13
For I speak to you Gentiles; inasmuch as I am an apostle to the Gentiles,
I magnify my ministry....

19 You will say then, Branches were broken off that I might be grafted in.
20 Well said. Because of unbelief they were broken off, and you stand by faith.
Do not be haughty, but fear.
21
For if God did not spare the natural branches, He may not spare you either.
22
Therefore consider the goodness and severity of God: on those who fell, severity;
but toward you, goodness, if you continue in His goodness. Otherwise you also
will be cut off
.
23 And they also, if they do not continue in unbelief, will be grafted in, for God is able
to graft them in again.
24 For if you were cut out of the olive tree which is wild by nature, and were grafted
contrary to nature into a cultivated olive tree, how much more will these, who are natural branches, be grafted into their own olive tree?
I believe so . The Gentiles were getting self righteous and they needed to know that salvation was through the Jews. This is an excellent way to explain it ! Be blessed.
 
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Also considering that the church in its infancy was Jew and Gentile together


At first the church was only Jews, then later Gentiles were added/grafted.

, can Gentile churches
today fulfill this intent to provoke unbelieving Jews to jealousy

I don't think that's meant for today. I think it would be related to the fall Paul mentioned which happened in the past.
 
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Yes, chapter 11 is very difficult for a first time Christian to understand but once you unlocked it, it really shows you how wonderful God's plan was from Israel to gentiles, and back to Israel again
Belief/unbelief is not a light switch, and to be cutoff goes beyond unbelief.
Unbelief that leads to disobedience is called rebellion!

Mark 9:
23
Jesus said to him, If you can believe, all things are possible to him who believes.
24 Immediately the father of the child cried out and said with tears, Lord, I believe; help my unbelief!

All believers have points of struggle, such as Thomas, and the resurrection.
All the apostles had their moments...

Matthew 17:
19
Then the disciples came to Jesus privately and said, Why could we not cast it out?
20 So Jesus said to them, Because of your unbelief; for assuredly, I say to you, if you have faith as a mustard seed, you will say to this mountain, Move from here to there,’and it will move; and nothing will be impossible for you.
21 However, this kind does not go out except by prayer and fasting.

Hebrews 3:19 So we see that they could not enter in because of unbelief.
Out of context, this becomes a very generic and frightening statement about unbelief.
14 For we have become partakers of Christ if we hold the beginning of our confidence
steadfast to the end,
15 while it is said:
Today, if you will hear His voice,
Do not harden your hearts as in the rebellion.
16
For who, having heard, rebelled? Indeed, was it not all who came out of Egypt,
led by Moses?
17 Now with whom was He angry forty years? Was it not with those who sinned, whose
corpses fell in the wilderness?
18 And to whom did He swear that they would not enter His rest,
but to those who did not obey?

I offered a link earlier for all the places in the OT where the words 'cut off' are used,
and the context states 'rebelliousness against God and His chosen leaders.
In the context of Romans 11, Paul is providing a very specific warning toward Gentiles
concerning becoming arrogant towards the Jews who had been cut off because of their
unbelief. They rejected the Messiah and put Him to an open shame and had Him put to
death by crucifixion! Therefore He warned them merely days before "all the righteous
blood will be accounted for upon this generation"!
As to the context of the thread, the reason for the threat to being cut off is arrogance toward
natural Israel.

Romans 11:
19 You will say then, Branches were broken off that I might be grafted in.
20 Well said. Because of unbelief they were broken off, and you stand by faith.
Do not be haughty, but fear.
21 For if God did not spare the natural branches, He may not spare you either.
22 Therefore consider the goodness and severity of God: on those who fell,
severity; but toward you, goodness, if you continue in His goodness. Otherwise,
you also will be cut off.
23 And they also, if they do not continue in unbelief, will be grafted in, for God is able
to graft them in again.

When Paul says "continue" in His Goodness, he uses [G1961=epimeno] a strengthened
form of [G3306-meno] meaning to abide, remain, continue with steadfast perseverance.
[G3306-meno] is used repeatedly by John in his Gospel and first epistle.

John 15:
4 Abide in Me, and I in you. As the branch cannot bear fruit of itself, unless it abides in
the vine, neither can you, unless you abide in Me.
5 I am the vine, you are the branches. He who abides in Me, and I in him, bears much fruit;
for without Me you can do nothing.
6 If anyone does not abide in Me, he is cast out as a branch and is withered; and they
gather them and throw them into the fire, and they are burned. [i.e. cut off]
7 If you abide in Me, and My words abide in you, you will ask what you desire, and it shall be
done for you.
8 By this My Father is glorified, that you bear much fruit; so you will be My disciples.

Those who are cut off and cast into the fire attain salvation, only by fire.
1 Corinthians 3:
14 If anyone’s work which he has built on it endures, he will receive a reward.

15 If anyone’s work is burned, he will suffer loss; but he himself will be saved,
yet so as through fire.
 
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Romans 11:
13
For I speak to you Gentiles; inasmuch as I am an apostle to the Gentiles,
I magnify my ministry....

19 You will say then, Branches were broken off that I might be grafted in.
20 Well said. Because of unbelief they were broken off, and you stand by faith.
Do not be haughty, but fear.
21
For if God did not spare the natural branches, He may not spare you either.
22
Therefore consider the goodness and severity of God: on those who fell, severity;
but toward you, goodness, if you continue in His goodness. Otherwise you also
will be cut off
.
23 And they also, if they do not continue in unbelief, will be grafted in, for God is able
to graft them in again.
24 For if you were cut out of the olive tree which is wild by nature, and were grafted
contrary to nature into a cultivated olive tree, how much more will these, who are natural branches, be grafted into their own olive tree?
Amen, I will be grafting Japanese maples and citrus trees next week onto native root stocks. The fruit trees will be 4 in 1 mandarin varieties. :)

I love reading about agriculture in scripture, sowing/reaping, planting, soils, water, sunlight, pH, fertilizer, weeds, plowing etc........

I have 45 different varieties of fruit trees, 12 cane varieties of berries, mulberries, blueberries, strawberries, raspberries, boysenberries, 4 grape varieties, etc....... So my spare time is tending to my backyard garden.

Thayer's Greek Lexicon
STRONGS NT 1461: ἐγκεντρίζω

ἐγκεντρίζω (T WH ἐνκεντρίζω, see ἐν, III. 3): 1 aorist ἐνεκεντρισα; passive, 1 aorist ἐνεκεντρίσθην; 1 future ἐγκεντρισθήσομαι; to cut into for the sake of inserting a scion; to inoculate, ingraft, graft in, (Aristotle quoted in Athen. 14, 68 (p. 653 d.); Theophrastus, h., p. 2, 2, 5; Antoninus 11, 8): τινα, Romans 11:17, 19, 23, 24 (cf. Winers Grammar, § 52, 4, 5); in these passages Paul likens the heathen who by becoming Christians have been admitted into fellowship with the people for whom the Messianic salvation is destined, to scions from wild trees inserted into a cultivated stock; (cf. Beet on verse 24; B. D. under the word ).
 
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