Do you think there's a difference between being saved and being a disciple?

Ceallaigh · Jan 10, 2021

What do you think of the idea out there that certain things Jesus said were directed at those who were and would become his disciples, but when massive conversions started taking place in Acts and forward, not everybody saved was expected to be a disciple.

I should written do you think there's a difference between being a follower and a disciple.

dqhall · Jan 10, 2021

What level of discipleship can one attain? Paul and Barnabas traveled together teaching in synagogues. John wrote a Gospel. Matthew the tax collector wrote a Gospel. The church at Macedonia provided Paul with material support. Peter organized the church in Jerusalem. Miracles happened as a result.

If one is saved, will one testify on behalf of Jesus?

marc b · Jan 10, 2021

I see it reversed. I see no difference in who we could be in Christ. Everyone saved are supposed to be full-on disciples. But most fail because of the deceitfulness of our hearts, and we end up never living up to our full potential. Only the grace of God keeps us saved. Now the calling to the 5 fold ministries, diversification of gifts etc, thats different for each of us.

Joyous Song · Jan 10, 2021

According to Paul, salvation is the first step and works grow from faith. This too is found in the Beatitudes. You must realize your poor in spirit, a beggar for it first, mourn your sins, become meek in heart before the hunger and thirst for righteousness which brings good works can take root. The Gospels and letters are not a history either. They are a synopsis of what each writer felt we needed to know, not documentaries. Thus certain facts have to be inferred such as those doing great things were saved and those falling greatly into sin were not.

HTacianas · Jan 10, 2021

This will probably answer your question:

1Co 12:28 And God hath set some in the church, first apostles, secondarily prophets, thirdly teachers, after that miracles, then gifts of healings, helps, governments, diversities of tongues.

1Co 12:29 Are all apostles? are all prophets? are all teachers? are all workers of miracles?

Co 12:30 Have all the gifts of healing? do all speak with tongues? do all interpret?

Monksailor · Jan 10, 2021

Jesus, God the Son, took on unimaginable torture, torture that killed many, humiliation off the scale, betrayal not transcended, and death on the cross of a criminal, though He be the Creator and Sustainer, just to redeem each one who believes in Christ unto a rightful standing with God, the Father, and to secure a place in heaven for all eternity. Jesus did so much more than just take a bullet in the head for you and me. Do you think that such a wonderful and miraculous salvation and provided escape from the continually burning fires of hell for all eternity should be taken for granted or be handled with the attitude of entitlement??? Or possibly treated with great gratitude and thanksgiving beyond measure desiring and constantly trying to live a life as our Savior clearly prescribed He wanted us to live???

Mr. M · Jan 10, 2021

Matthew 22:14. For many are called, but few are chosen.
Romans 1:6. Among whom are you also the called of Jesus Christ:
2 Peter 1:10. Wherefore the rather, brethren, give diligence to make your calling and election sure:
for if you do these things, you shall never fall:

election=chosen [Acts 9:15]

Ceallaigh · Jan 10, 2021

I think maybe the thinking might be that Jesus called his apostles His disciples and perhaps the two terms get thought of as synonymous. Like Apollos, Barnabas and Timothy were disciples and Zacchaeus, Nicodemus and Martha were followers?

I messed up with the title. I should have written a difference between being follower and being a disciple.

Aussie Pete · Jan 10, 2021

Lord Jesus commanded the gospel of the Kingdom to be preached and that the apostles should make disciples (Matthew 28:19). Every Christian should also be a disciple. I don't know how it is possible to be a Christian in reality and not be a disciple. I don't know how you arrive at your conclusion that not everyone was expected to be a disciple. Acts 4 recounts the experience of the early church:
"42They devoted themselves to the apostles’ teaching and to the fellowship, to the breaking of bread and to prayer. 43A sense of awe came over everyone, and the apostles performed many wonders and signs. 44All the believers were together and had everything in common. 45Selling their possessions and goods, they shared with anyone who was in need. 46With one accord they continued to meet daily in the temple courts and to break bread from house to house, sharing their meals with gladness and sincerity of heart, 47praising God and enjoying the favour of all the people. And the Lord added to their number daily those who were being saved."

"All the believers................"

Ceallaigh · Jan 10, 2021

Some seem have a higher calling than others. Some are pastors, lay pastors, elders, worship leaders, evangelists etc. All live a Godly life but not all have a ministry of that sort.

Aussie Pete · Jan 10, 2021

I disagree. Every Christian has a place in the body. One of the reasons the church struggles is that there is a divide between leadership and the rest of the congregation. Leadership in the church means serving the brethren. There are some high flyers who need to remember that. 1 Corinthians 12 spells out what the church as the body means.
Ephesians 4
11And it was He who gave some to be apostles, some to be prophets, some to be evangelists, and some to be pastors and teachers, 12to equip the saints for works of ministry and to build up the body of Christ,…

One of the failures of the Reformation was in maintaining a professional clergy/laity divide. Most churches that I know of maintain that divide. If anything, it is more rigid now than when I was first saved. There are exceptions, such as the church founded by Witness Lee, and some Brethren fellowships.

Jesus is YHWH · Jan 10, 2021

Yes the beginning point as the great commission declares is a disciple. You become a disciple/follower/convert first and then you are baptized as the first act of obedience to the call of being His disciple and afterwards taught- you are a learner, a disciple in training.

Matthew 28:18-20
Then Jesus came to them and said, “All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me. 19 Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, 20 and teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you. And surely I am with you always, to the very end of the age.”

Ceallaigh · Jan 10, 2021

There's another active thread coving this topic: The Elephant in the Bible (Video and Discussion)

1213 · Jan 11, 2021

In Bible Christian means a disciple of Jesus.

It was in Antioch that the disciples were first called Christians.
Acts 11:26

And Jesus said:

Therefore go, and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, teaching them to observe all things that I commanded you. Behold, I am with you always, even to the end of the age."
Mat. 28:19-20

That is why I think the idea was and still is to make people disciples of Jesus. And people who truly are, can be recognized by this:

Jesus therefore said to those Jews who had believed him, "If you remain in my word, then you are truly my disciples. You will know the truth, and the truth will make you free."
John 8:31-32

Navair2 · Jan 11, 2021

No.
They are one and the same.

Bible Highlighter · Jan 14, 2021

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