Trump Is Just Getting Sad

lasthero said:

https://twitter.com/realdonaldtrump/status/1344142388063821825?s=21

Brad Raffensperger doesn’t even have a brother.

It’s not important, really, but I just wanted to highlight this tweet for those who champion Trump as some kind of bastion of truth. The man just makes stuff up and repeats stuff he hears on the internet. He’s a total doofus, and I understand if you like him because he pushes for stuff you want, but you have to stop pretending he’s some kind of genius.

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The conservatives who support Trump know what kind of person he is and it's become quite obvious that they don't care. In the last five years, the majority of his supporters have proven this to be true. They have proven, beyond a shadow of a doubt, that they don't care when he blatantly lies through his teeth or when he disparages, insults, and ridicules other people. On the contrary, they cheer him on, praise him, and insist he tells it like it is. I've encountered some of his supporters who don't even bother denying that he has destroyed the public perception of Christianity and has made a mockery of their faith. It doesn't seem to bother them that supporting Trump has damaged their personal witness.

Albion said:

Of some tiny fringe that most people have never heard of?

But go ahead and show us how they have held him up as a genius.

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Most people in this case not including 56% of Republicans?

Majority Of Republicans Believe The QAnon Conspiracy Theory Is Partly Or Mostly True, Survey Finds

President of the United States: Brad R has a brother.
Anonymous dude/dudette on the internet without even an icon: He doesn't.

I'd like to think that if this were an important issue, I would check the facts for myself. But honestly, I spent 0 seconds on considering this matter.

tturt said:

Never pretended that he's a genius. As long as he is pro-life, pro-Israel, and against socialism (which is against Christianity), he has more intelligence than some others.

Here's just a few Scriptures to support -
God has a plan for the time and place of our births:
-“And he made from one man every race of men to live on all the face of the earth, having determined allotted epochs and the fixed boundaries of the places where they would live;” (Acts 17:26)

He formed us:
-“For You formed my innermost parts; You knit me [together] in my mother’s womb” Psa 139:13
-“Have we not all one father? hath not one God created us? why do we deal treacherously every man against his brother, by profaning the covenant of our fathers?” Mal 2;10
-“The spirit of God hath made me, and the breath of the Almighty hath given me life.” Job 33:4
"I will put ligaments on you, place muscles on you, and cover you with skin. I will put breath in you, and you will live. Then you will know that I am Yahweh." Eze 37:6

Israel:
-"And I will bless them that bless thee, and curse him that curseth thee: and in thee shall all families of the earth be blessed." Gen 12:3

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I am born-again, evangelical American, but I never thought this “pro-life” movement by Evangelical Christian was ever genuine. My suspicion became very clear in past 10 months during this pandemic. Evangelical Christian has ZERO respect for human life, they have Zero respect for other human, past 10 months showed very clearly that Evangelical Christian care more about “economic prosperity” then human lives.. past 10 months proved Evangelical Christian care more about “power” then human lives.. past 10 months revealed Evangelical Christian care more about “ personal freedom” then human life. So when evangelical Christian in America talk about “ Sanctity of life in mother’s womb” please don’t believe that for a second that they really care or believe any of that that .

When evangelical Christian say “ Socialism is against Christianity “ , again don’t believe that either. Evangelical Christians like to mix up “communism of early 1900 in Russia” with modern day economic socialism. In early 1900 Russia , communist movement killed millions of Christians.. that has nothing to do with modern day “economic socialism” . I am a conservative who believe in “free market “ and “ capitalism” ..but I don’t believe reducing “ income inequality” is evil , helping poor is against Biblical teaching .. as a Capitalist I don’t think ”free education for all “ will solve all our problem, but the idea is not anti Biblical.. I don’t think America can afford “ universal healthcare “, but that doesn’t make it against Christianity, Bible talks more about helping the needy , providing those who are poor, taking care the weak and widow more then any other teaching . Jesus’ teaching is close to “ Economic socialism” . Book of Acts starts with the culture of early Christian, Christians who were led by disciples.. new believer would sell all their belongings and give it to church, and the church would distribute it according to the needs. Socialism!

Yes, the verse Gen 12:3 talks about supporting Israel but the verse doesn’t give blank-check for people to support Israel. You can support Israel but not their violent and aggressive foreign policy, you can support Israel but not their inhuman policy toward Arabs. Gen 12:3 never gave blank-check to support evil doers.

Tiberius Lee said:

I don’t think America can afford “ universal healthcare “,

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I can't address most of your post, as I have no ideas on what evangelical christians should or shouldn't consider biblical, but I did want to address the point about American not being able to "afford" universal healthcare.

Yes, health care costs are sky high, but consider this: at the moment, private for-profit health insurance takes billions (yes, billions) of dollars a year out of the system as profits. Especially during the pandemic. In fact, in 2020, they doubled the profits from the previous year! This money goes into the pockets of shareholders.

If these billions of dollars generated every year were put back into the health care system, instead of removed from it, then how can it be said we can't afford to allow every American access to health care?

-- A2SG, just a thought.......

A2SG said:

I can't address most of your post, as I have no ideas on what evangelical christians should or shouldn't consider biblical, but I did want to address the point about American not being able to "afford" universal healthcare.

Yes, health care costs are sky high, but consider this: at the moment, private for-profit health insurance takes billions (yes, billions) of dollars a year out of the system as profits. Especially during the pandemic. In fact, in 2020, they doubled the profits from the previous year! This money goes into the pockets of shareholders.

If these billions of dollars generated every year were put back into the health care system, instead of removed from it, then how can it be said we can't afford to allow every American access to health care?

-- A2SG, just a thought.......

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I read the Forbes article ans see how the profits doubled for the for profit insurers as people stayed away from other types of health care so they could avoid covid. The four largest companies made an extra 8 billion. Sounds like alot except i looked up how much medicare costs. So you found 1% of the total budget in some extra profit. I am not saying we can't afford to give universal coverage, but I have to be honest and say it will not come from insurers profits, there is not enough meat on the bone. To be like other nations with universal coverage, you will have to reduce the costs of care. One culprit is salaries. Yep, to get the USA like other nations, you need to reduce Dr's nurses and all the other people in health care's salaries. Here is just one occupation for sampling. 10 Countries With The Highest Nurse Salaries In The World - Naibuzz I am not saying administrative costs, pharmaceutical costs, would not have to be slashed too, but again, you will not find the savings you need in "profits." Many insurers like Blue Cross and non-profit anyway.

• Medicare spending grew 6.7% to $799.4 billion in 2019, or 21 percent of total NHE.
• Medicaid spending grew 2.9% to $613.5 billion in 2019, or 16 percent of total NHE.

Richard T said:

I read the Forbes article ans see how the profits doubled for the for profit insurers as people stayed away from other types of health care so they could avoid covid. The four largest companies made an extra 8 billion. Sounds like alot except i looked up how much medicare costs. So you found 1% of the total budget in some extra profit. I am not saying we can't afford to give universal coverage, but I have to be honest and say it will not come from insurers profits, there is not enough meat on the bone. To be like other nations with universal coverage, you will have to reduce the costs of care. One culprit is salaries. Yep, to get the USA like other nations, you need to reduce Dr's nurses and all the other people in health care's salaries. Here is just one occupation for sampling. 10 Countries With The Highest Nurse Salaries In The World - Naibuzz I am not saying administrative costs, pharmaceutical costs, would not have to be slashed too, but again, you will not find the savings you need in "profits." Many insurers like Blue Cross and non-profit anyway.

• Medicare spending grew 6.7% to $799.4 billion in 2019, or 21 percent of total NHE.
• Medicaid spending grew 2.9% to $613.5 billion in 2019, or 16 percent of total NHE.

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Granted, these billions of dollars every year (more like just under 13 billion in 2020, and that's only the top 4 insurers alone) won't cover the entire thing, but as it stands now, that's money being take out of the health care system, not being used to care for sick people. If we take the insurance companies out of the equation, I wonder how much it would cost to actually treat sick people? Maybe hospitals won't have to charge $7 per band-aid, or $622 just to use the ER facility. What if hospitals only charged normal retail prices instead of exorbitant prices as dictated by high insurance premiums?

-- A2SG, imagine what our health care system would look like if doctors were in charge, instead of insurance companies.....

lasthero said:

https://twitter.com/realdonaldtrump/status/1344142388063821825?s=21

Brad Raffensperger doesn’t even have a brother.

It’s not important, really, but I just wanted to highlight this tweet for those who champion Trump as some kind of bastion of truth. The man just makes stuff up and repeats stuff he hears on the internet. He’s a total doofus, and I understand if you like him because he pushes for stuff you want, but you have to stop pretending he’s some kind of genius.

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You might want to check your link. the "f" Word is not allowed on links posted here

A2SG said:

I can't address most of your post, as I have no ideas on what evangelical christians should or shouldn't consider biblical, but I did want to address the point about American not being able to "afford" universal healthcare.

Yes, health care costs are sky high, but consider this: at the moment, private for-profit health insurance takes billions (yes, billions) of dollars a year out of the system as profits. Especially during the pandemic. In fact, in 2020, they doubled the profits from the previous year! This money goes into the pockets of shareholders.

If these billions of dollars generated every year were put back into the health care system, instead of removed from it, then how can it be said we can't afford to allow every American access to health care?

-- A2SG, just a thought.......

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Republican who believes “Tax Cut” will not add to deficit, they say “ if you give tax cut, that will generate economy, and the supply will go up, that will create more business and create more jobs, and ultimately Government will get more tax from businesses and you will not have deficit”. It’s all about “ if” and “but” and this action will have that “chain reaction” and this action will drive that action and BINGO .. you give every one tax cut and you have no deficit.

Same thing with universal health care, liberal argue If you give back the “ profit” to the system , if more people are insured , health care price will go down, and down the road BINGO everyone has free healthcare just like every other country in EU or Canada or Australia .. again same things .. it’s all in theory .. this action will drive that action, “if” , “But” , “when” and on and on. Its all theory.

Yes, rest of the rich and western nations can afford Universal health care but America can’t.. this is because America spend 5 times more on her defense budget then 50 other rich countries combined. We spend money on defense then health care and yes that is the price you pay to be supper power.

Tiberius Lee said:

Yes, rest of the rich and western nations can afford Universal health care but America can’t.. this is because America spend 5 times more on her defense budget then 50 other rich countries combined. We spend money on defense then health care and yes that is the price you pay to be supper power.

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I think you are a bit off here. In terms of per capita spending on health care, other western industrialized nations with various forms of universal health care spend a lot less than the US does and has similar or better outcomes (overall; countries do better/worse at specific categories of care).

Arguably, moving to a universal health care system of some sort offers a lot of points of saving on costs, like cutting a lot of the overhead that is inherent in the insurance system (my wife is a PA, her group spends a LOT of money on just dealing with insurance companies. She personally also spends a good deal of her time dealing with insurance companies rather than patient care). Taxes may have to go up to cover that, but if you are getting rid of costs elsewhere, it balances out. Let's say we did a single payer health insurance system - it may mean my taxes go up $200/month and my employer may have to pay an extra $200/month for me in taxes, but at the same time neither me nor my employer are paying premiums for health insurance, which totals more than $400/month. So they cancel out on upfront costs.

Guinan said:

The conservatives who support Trump know what kind of person he is and it's become quite obvious that they don't care. In the last five years, the majority of his supporters have proven this to be true. They have proven, beyond a shadow of a doubt, that they don't care when he blatantly lies through his teeth or when he disparages, insults, and ridicules other people. On the contrary, they cheer him on, praise him, and insist he tells it like it is. I've encountered some of his supporters who don't even bother denying that he has destroyed the public perception of Christianity and has made a mockery of their faith. It doesn't seem to bother them that supporting Trump has damaged their personal witness.

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Party and politics first. Every other consideration can get in line.

A2SG said:

Granted, these billions of dollars every year (more like just under 13 billion in 2020, and that's only the top 4 insurers alone) won't cover the entire thing, but as it stands now, that's money being take out of the health care system, not being used to care for sick people. If we take the insurance companies out of the equation, I wonder how much it would cost to actually treat sick people? Maybe hospitals won't have to charge $7 per band-aid, or $622 just to use the ER facility. What if hospitals only charged normal retail prices instead of exorbitant prices as dictated by high insurance premiums?

-- A2SG, imagine what our health care system would look like if doctors were in charge, instead of insurance companies.....

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You are right to look at administrative costs, but those would never go to zero, even with single payer. Salaries in health care have to come down, as do drug prices. Lots of fat to trim to get us to where most countries spend. "The National Health Expenditure Accounts (NHEA) indicate that in 2018, 8.5 percent of health spending was for administrative activities including: “government administration,” or the administrative costs of programs such as Medicare and Medicaid; and, “net cost of health insurance,” or the difference between private insurance premiums and the benefits paid out. Yet, this estimate misses critical administrative costs, such as time spent by physicians themselves on administrative tasks. https://www.healthaffairs.org/do/10.1377/hblog20200218.375060/full/

Richard T said:

You are right to look at administrative costs, but those would never go to zero, even with single payer. Salaries in health care have to come down, as do drug prices. Lots of fat to trim to get us to where most countries spend. "The National Health Expenditure Accounts (NHEA) indicate that in 2018, 8.5 percent of health spending was for administrative activities including: “government administration,” or the administrative costs of programs such as Medicare and Medicaid; and, “net cost of health insurance,” or the difference between private insurance premiums and the benefits paid out. Yet, this estimate misses critical administrative costs, such as time spent by physicians themselves on administrative tasks. https://www.healthaffairs.org/do/10.1377/hblog20200218.375060/full/

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You're right, it'd be a monumental endeavor, and not cheap. But, I honestly feel that if we take private for-profit health insurance out of the picture (or, at least, making that an option instead of a necessity), then it becomes a lot less insurmountable than many claim. And, I might add, it would be a lot more in line with the ideals of this country for us to protect the health and well-being of all Americans just as diligently as we defend them with the military and protect its borders from people seeking a better way of life. At least, as far as I see it.

-- A2SG, but I've never been one of those people who think money matters more than lives anyway.....

disciple Clint said:

You might want to check your link. the "f" Word is not allowed on links posted here

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Where? I read right through all of that link and the only “f” words I could find were “fake” and “fraud”. You must have had to search pretty hard to find something to complain about.

The Ant said:

Where? I read right through all of that link and the only “f” words I could find were “fake” and “fraud”. You must have had to search pretty hard to find something to complain about.

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Come on! This is Trump that we are talking about. Do you seriously think that someone would not drop the f-bomb in describing him at some point? Of course that would mean almost any link from a Trump supporter of this sort would have an f-bomb buried in it somewhere.

I would not worry. I think the rule applies only when the f word is obvious.

The Ant said:

Where? I read right through all of that link and the only “f” words I could find were “fake” and “fraud”. You must have had to search pretty hard to find something to complain about.

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I am not seeing it now, it was an advertisement and there was no way not to see it. I am glad it is gone.

The last Trump burns because he's exposing y'all, fake peeps...the swamp is real, it's on fire! blahahahahahaha Burn baby burn!!!

disciple Clint said:

I am not seeing it now, it was an advertisement and there was no way not to see it. I am glad it is gone.

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Advertisements are often based on your own search history. The person that linked the article has no control over the ads you see, but you do.

Subduction Zone said:

Advertisements are often based on your own search history.

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We won’t speculate why someone might get f word including advertisements.

Guinan said:

The conservatives who support Trump know what kind of person he is and it's become quite obvious that they don't care. In the last five years, the majority of his supporters have proven this to be true. They have proven, beyond a shadow of a doubt, that they don't care when he blatantly lies through his teeth or when he disparages, insults, and ridicules other people. On the contrary, they cheer him on, praise him, and insist he tells it like it is. I've encountered some of his supporters who don't even bother denying that he has destroyed the public perception of Christianity and has made a mockery of their faith. It doesn't seem to bother them that supporting Trump has damaged their personal witness.

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I clicked "agree" on this post because i think that is where they are now. I think push has come to shove the way Trump and his supporters have been villified by the liberal democrats. I've watched from Canada all the abuse you guys have put on them from the time Trump ran until today split your country in 2. And i put it squarely in how your side has marginalized their side. And now it's come to this, the final days of Trumps term and they feel nowhere else to turn but themselves and God to assert what they believe in. When i joined, I thought there would be more unity here in a christian forum but surprisingly the split and disrespect is just as bad. There needs to be a reaching out and a healing between the 2 sides regardless what happens in the next few days/weeks/months. Since this side started the stone throwing, i think the repentance and admission of fault has to start from here.