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Interesting point. Care to expand on it?When Christ suddenly comes to His temple, the man of sin is revealed.
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Interesting point. Care to expand on it?When Christ suddenly comes to His temple, the man of sin is revealed.
So, your contention is that the events of Revelation have already occurred?The 666 of scripture was Nero. There are many antichrists, namely those who are not believers.
Having said that, we Christians would be better served studying theology, working on personal holiness and spreading the faith. Spending our time trying to predict future events is a waste and has proven to be little more than idle speculation.
Don’t know about that. I heard it’s a very western Christian take on end times - quite American. Don’t know myself though - I haven’t studied the subject at a high enough levelWhat I'm referring to is a specific figure that appears in Scripture, one that is known to usher in the end times. A person can be antichrist, but the Antichrist is someone entirely different.
It's John's bias, not mine:Why did you bias it to the 1st century?
You tell me.No antichrist in the last 1900 years at all?
What if John is actually alive today? Are you insinuating the possibility, or just denying any antichrist in the last 1900 years?
1st John 2:18Children, it is the last hour, and as you have heard that antichrist (singular) is coming, so now many antichrists have come.
It's true there are many you have the AC spirit. But, there is one coming. It's clear from the passage above that the readers had been taught this and were expecting him.
It's biblical.
Some of them.So, your contention is that the events of Revelation have already occurred?
Again, How do we know this beyond unbiblical added tradition?In Daniel 9, there is a prince described who is the one we know as "The Antichrist",
Again, How do we know this beyond unbiblical added tradition?This person is also who Jesus referred to as the Abomination of Desolation in Matt. 24:15 and Mark 13:14. Add to this what Daniel said in the 11th chapter, verses 36-39,
Again, How do we know this beyond unbiblical added tradition?Moving forward to Revelation, the Antichrist is the first beast, while the false Messiah is the second (Rev. 13). This is also consistent with Daniel 7, and the prophecy of the beasts found from verse one to verse eight.
The second question applies because they [muslims] deny Jesus' divinity. According to the Qur'an, Jesus is nothing more than a human prophet.
It was already in the world back then and there were already many antichrists back then (as there still are today), but people don't read what the scriptures say about antichrist, so they look forward to an individual Antichrist instead of accepting what John wrote.Rather, they were expecting the singular IT. And John affirms to them that the singular IT they were expecting, had arrived:
1 John 4:3
and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.
The descriptions found in Revelation and Daniel seem to bely that idea. In both instances, the description points to a specific human being, not our nature as humans.antichrist is not a man but man, as in a state of mind .... Adam in picture
Again, How do we know this beyond unbiblical added tradition?
Scripture teaches no such thing.
Again, How do we know this beyond unbiblical added tradition?
Scripture teaches no such thing.
Again, How do we know this beyond unbiblical added tradition?
Scripture teaches no such thing.
As you point out, Muslims ABSOLUTELY affirm Christ came in the flesh, which alone disqualifies them form John's specific criteria for identifying antichrist.
I urge you to stick with scripture and abandon the unbiblical traditions of fallible men.
Well, at least I appreciate your admission that Man made tradition is all you have to support applying the term antichrist to these other Biblical figures.I have stuck to Scripture. Virtually all that I have pointed to thus far IS Scripture, and they all describe a single person that we commonly refer to as The Antichrist.
According to your logic, the Trinity doesn't exist because the word "Trinity" doesn't appear anywhere in Scripture. The same applies to the words "omniscient", "omnipotent", and "omnipresent". Yet, one can study Scripture and see where the concept behind God's Triune nature is readily apparent, in addition to the fact that He states repeatedly that He is All-Knowing, All-Powerful, and All-Present.
Satan will be bound in the pit and the FP and beast in the Lake of Fire by that point. Which nation is going to produce this image that will replace humanity that looks and will be a better version of the human body, and intelligence?So right now we do not know, but not a Muslim more likely European or North American. Ask me in 20 years and I might change my mind and say Chinese.
Satan will breathe life into this image (making it his), and my auto correct does not seem to like using a small "m" with that word. God allows it all to happen. This will not be the best of times, so being quick to judge anything Satan does, is a mute point. That God let's Satan have any control is enough said.Please don't call him "his messiah", and especially not with capital "m". "The devil's false messiah" would work.
I think he will come from the New Age movement.
Did you know that beasts in Daniel and Revelation are kingdoms?The descriptions found in Revelation and Daniel seem to bely that idea. In both instances, the description points to a specific human being, not our nature as humans.
So, you deny that there is a specific Antichrist figure who will come in the end of times?Well, at least I appreciate your admission that Man made tradition is all you have to support using the term antichrist for these other Biblical figures.
False analogy because unlike those terms you cite, antichrist DOES APPEAR in our Bibles!
We actually have EXPLICIT BIBLICAL TEACHING on what antichrist is, and none of that explicit biblical teaching supports your contentions.
A better analogy is if I were to claim that Moses IS Peter.
Using your Logic, I could easily show this to be true:
Moses appears in our Bibles, was a servant of God, was a leader of God's People.
Peter appears in our Bibles, was a servant of God, was a leader of God's People.
Using your Logic, Moses therefore IS Peter.
The born again experience must happen. A great deal of the New Testament deals with this very important subject. Even Peter denied Christ before he was born again.Interesting point. Care to expand on it?
I'm not sure what this has to do with my question. I'm making reference to a specific person who will be involved in the end times.
Using the bible - identify the Dajaal person in the text of him opposing Jesus (Isa). Also identify the muslim Isa in Revelation.Not necessarily. The Muslim idea of Dajaal, their antichrist, comes as opposition to a returned Jesus (Isa). The Hadith bears this out, considering it declares that the most awful name in Allah's sight on Judgment Day will be a man calling himself Malik al-Amlak, or King of Kings.
Having said that, we Christians would be better served studying theology, working on personal holiness and spreading the faith. Spending our time trying to predict future events is a waste and has proven to be little more than idle speculation.