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Well Sweden is recently rated the most gay friendly country in the world, and the next on the list is Canada. LGBT travel index puts Sweden top, and warns against some popular destinations Despite this gays are much more likely than straights than to kill themselves there.
according to the research YOU posted the difference in suicide rates between heterosexuals and homosexuals is about one suicide a year.

Ongoing research shows that rate of suicide attempts in the western world is steadily dropping. In the United states the suicide rate among LGBT individuals has dropped 54% in the last ten years

Raifman J, Moscoe E, Austin SB, McConnell M. Difference-in-Differences Analysis of the Association Between State Same-Sex Marriage Policies and Adolescent Suicide Attempts. JAMA Pediatr. 2017
Herek GM, Garnets LD. Sexual orientation and mental health. Annu Rev Clin Psychol. 2017
Hatzenbuehler ML. The social environment and suicide attempts in lesbian, gay, and bisexual youth. Pediatrics. 2019
Ramos C, Goldberg NG, Badgett MVL. The effects of marriage equality in Massachusetts: a survey of the experiences and impact of marriage on same-sex eprints 2019
and dozens of others


Plus it is more than just because of homophobia the cause of this.
the resources you cited say it is the cause

The link is not an neo nazi but a former practising gay guy but left the gay life to live as a orthodox celebrate catholic guy because the gay life nearly killed him. I guess you may consider him a neo nazi because he is a writer in a socially conservative catholic newsletter. But I never have seen any thing that indicates he is a neo nazi.
he is the one who said it in his book "swallowed By Satan" where Sciambra details his years as a member of an Idaho Neo Nazi group. HE details how he would idolized Hitler calling him the “ultimate male” and “a new messiah, superman reborn.”

Sciambra first became interested in Nazism after acquiring a Nazi soldier’s hat from a German businessman. He says the hat ended up having a power over him: “Clothed in a relic of the past, the dead ghosts of buried degenerates could take over my body”

Well I used to be gay
what are yo now?

too and know the gay world very well. I know apps like grindr, scruff, etc. I know the bars, the beats and gay affirming parishes. I been there and done that. I no longer identify gay and what is more important is how the Lord identifys me than what I identify myself with. Sure I can have temptations but through the holy spirt the Lord guides me through this.
well you aren't heterosexual

BTW I admit I even went through bouts of deep depression, yet I certainly will say that homophobia was not the primary the cause of it. Besides I live in a society where gays are treated equal, with gay marriage, and a vast majority of people do not care if one is gay or straight. In addition it is popular for schools to celebrate wear it purple to support gay people. Plus there are so much resources out there including extensive government support for gays.
considering that two thirds of LGBT youth in Australia experience abuse and violence because of their orientation i find it difficult to believe that gays are treated equally that most don't care if one is LGBT
 
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according to the research YOU posted the difference in suicide rates between heterosexuals and homosexuals is about one suicide a year.

Ongoing research shows that rate of suicide attempts in the western world is steadily dropping. In the United states the suicide rate among LGBT individuals has dropped 54% in the last ten years

Raifman J, Moscoe E, Austin SB, McConnell M. Difference-in-Differences Analysis of the Association Between State Same-Sex Marriage Policies and Adolescent Suicide Attempts. JAMA Pediatr. 2017
Herek GM, Garnets LD. Sexual orientation and mental health. Annu Rev Clin Psychol. 2017
Hatzenbuehler ML. The social environment and suicide attempts in lesbian, gay, and bisexual youth. Pediatrics. 2019
Ramos C, Goldberg NG, Badgett MVL. The effects of marriage equality in Massachusetts: a survey of the experiences and impact of marriage on same-sex eprints 2019
and dozens of others


the resources you cited say it is the cause

he is the one who said it in his book "swallowed By Satan" where Sciambra details his years as a member of an Idaho Neo Nazi group. HE details how he would idolized Hitler calling him the “ultimate male” and “a new messiah, superman reborn.”

Sciambra first became interested in Nazism after acquiring a Nazi soldier’s hat from a German businessman. He says the hat ended up having a power over him: “Clothed in a relic of the past, the dead ghosts of buried degenerates could take over my body”

what are yo now?

well you aren't heterosexual

considering that two thirds of LGBT youth in Australia experience abuse and violence because of their orientation i find it difficult to believe that gays are treated equally that most don't care if one is LGBT
What God identifies me is far more important than what you or I label myself. I identify on how Christ identifies me and that is a Child of God. Sure I could get temptations, and temptations is not sin, it is only if I act out on it that is a sin, as sexual relations outside a heterosexual marriage is sin.

I get temptations just like a heterosexual man.

Sciambra did go to a Neo Nazi group, but that was during the era when he was not a Christian, but he did not dwell long enough to be a member there. The neo Nazi group was not aware of him being gay there either when he would go to their meetings. He also was a gay inappropriate content actor and an prostitute too during his non Christian days too. Yet since he encountered the Lord Jesus Christ he abandoned that.

With gay suicide rates it is still even higher than non gay people. Even in countries were there is a low countries with low Christian traditional orthodox beliefs and a very high acceptance of gay people. So it is more than just homophobia, than many gays out there kill themselves in cases such as “intimate partner problems and arguments” before dying by suicide Study highlights differences between gay, straight suicides

Plus there are also evidence of higher rates of same sex couple homocide rates compared to opposite sex couples.
In June 2010, there were 29,000 same-sex couples and 5,192,400 opposite-sex couples identified from the Labour Force Survey (ABS 2011). In 2009–10, there was one same-sex intimate partner homicide and 59 opposite-sex intimate partner homicides recorded in the NHMP. Based on these figures, the intimate partner homicide rate calculated for the most recent year of NHMP data collection (2009–10) was 3.4 per 100,000 for same-sex couples and 1.1 per 100,000 for opposite-sex couples.

Again, NHMP findings somewhat parallel those found in the United States by Mize and Schackelford (2008), where the intimate partner homicide incident rate was highest for gay couples (63.72 per million per annum), followed by heterosexual couples (21.25 per million per annum), and lesbian couples (9.07 per million per annum).Same-sex intimate partner homicide in Australia

In addition also here is another study of this topic: The National Violence against Women Survey from July 2000, sponsored by the National Institute of Justice in the USA, found that same-sex cohabitants reported significantly more intimate partner violence than did opposite-sex cohabitants. Among women, 39.2 percent of the same-sex cohabitants and 21.7 percent of the opposite sex cohabitants reported being raped, physically assaulted, and/or stalked by a marital/cohabiting partner at some time in their lifetime. Among men, the comparable figures are 23.1 percent and 7.4 percent. 6 Extent, nature, and consequences of intimate partner violence 2000. U.S. Department of Justice: Office of Justice Programs, July, p. 30, available at: https://www.ncjrs.gov/pdffiles1/nij/181867.pdf (Accessed 12 March 2012

Even with the public endorsement of gay couples and marriages of most people out there, including a growing number of churches too, the reported homicide and domestic violence rates for gay couples are higher than opposite sex couples and gay suicide rates are higher than non gay people.


Anyway evangelicals that support same sex marriages and endorse it, is not backed by scripture. Infact there is no bible verses that affirm gay couples. In fact it is the opposite: Genesis 19:1-29; Leviticus 18:22; 20:13; Romans 1:24-32; 1 Corinthians 6:9-11, and 1 Timothy 1:8-11.




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What God identifies me is far more important than what you or I label myself. I identify on how Christ identifies me and that is a Child of God. Sure I could get temptations, and temptations is not sin, it is only if I act out on it that is a sin, as sexual relations outside a heterosexual marriage is sin.

I get temptations just like a heterosexual man.

Sciambra did go to a Neo Nazi group, but that was during the era when he was not a Christian, but he did not dwell long enough to be a member there. The neo Nazi group was not aware of him being gay there either when he would go to their meetings. He also was a gay inappropriate content actor and an prostitute too during his non Christian days too. Yet since he encountered the Lord Jesus Christ he abandoned that.
he also had a girlfriend during the time he says he was gay. So...how does that work?

With gay suicide rates it is still even higher than non gay people. Even in countries were there is a low countries with low Christian traditional orthodox beliefs and a very high acceptance of gay people. So it is more than just homophobia, than many gays out there kill themselves in cases such as “intimate partner problems and arguments” before dying by suicide Study highlights differences between gay, straight suicides
and what is the rate of suicides in those places that you call accepting compared to the accepting areas? It's a fraction the size that's what it is and it is dropping. It's all about the hate.


Plus there are also evidence of higher rates of same sex couple homocide rates compared to opposite sex couples.
In June 2010, there were 29,000 same-sex couples and 5,192,400 opposite-sex couples identified from the Labour Force Survey (ABS 2011). In 2009–10, there was one same-sex intimate partner homicide and 59 opposite-sex intimate partner homicides recorded in the NHMP. Based on these figures, the intimate partner homicide rate calculated for the most recent year of NHMP data collection (2009–10) was 3.4 per 100,000 for same-sex couples and 1.1 per 100,000 for opposite-sex couples.
has anything changed in the last decade? yeah a lot. If you use current current numbers the homicide rate for same sex couples is 0.08 per 100,000. But i can see why you wouldn't want to use current data.

Again, NHMP findings somewhat parallel those found in the United States by Mize and Schackelford (2008), where the intimate partner homicide incident rate was highest for gay couples (63.72 per million per annum), followed by heterosexual couples (21.25 per million per annum), and lesbian couples (9.07 per million per annum).Same-sex intimate partner homicide in Australia

In addition also here is another study of this topic: The National Violence against Women Survey from July 2000, sponsored by the National Institute of Justice in the USA, found that same-sex cohabitants reported significantly more intimate partner violence than did opposite-sex cohabitants. Among women, 39.2 percent of the same-sex cohabitants and 21.7 percent of the opposite sex cohabitants reported being raped, physically assaulted, and/or stalked by a marital/cohabiting partner at some time in their lifetime. Among men, the comparable figures are 23.1 percent and 7.4 percent. 6 Extent, nature, and consequences of intimate partner violence 2000. U.S. Department of Justice: Office of Justice Programs, July, p. 30, available at: https://www.ncjrs.gov/pdffiles1/nij/181867.pdf (Accessed 12 March 2012
it's really sad that you have to cherry pick through such old statistics to justify your personal prejudices.


Even with the public endorsement of gay couples and marriages of most people out there, including a growing number of churches too, the reported homicide and domestic violence rates for gay couples are higher than opposite sex couples and gay suicide rates are higher than non gay people.
try getting your information rm someplace other than hate groups.

Anyway evangelicals that support same sex marriages and endorse it, is not backed by scripture. Infact there is no bible verses that affirm gay couples. In fact it is the opposite: Genesis 19:1-29; Leviticus 18:22; 20:13; Romans 1:24-32; 1 Corinthians 6:9-11, and 1 Timothy 1:8-11.




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he also had a girlfriend during the time he says he was gay. So...how does that work?

and what is the rate of suicides in those places that you call accepting compared to the accepting areas? It's a fraction the size that's what it is and it is dropping. It's all about the hate.


has anything changed in the last decade? yeah a lot. If you use current current numbers the homicide rate for same sex couples is 0.08 per 100,000. But i can see why you wouldn't want to use current data.

it's really sad that you have to cherry pick through such old statistics to justify your personal prejudices.


try getting your information rm someplace other than hate groups.


"You can safely assume that you've created God in your own image when it turns out that God hates all the same people you do." Anne Lamott
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He did went to a female hooker for awhile, yet that did not last and went back to men, and he did have boyfriends too and was a gay activist too. The vast majority of his sexual encounters were men. His STDS and has major health problems today due to the sexual activity of men, and has to wear a adult diaper for the rest of his life due to the practises he did when he lived a gay life (this is a g rated sight so I not going to state exactly what).

He did feel different when he was a child compared to his peers growing up, and was labelled gay at school. Actually it was a gay affirming priest who molested him when he was a child and also told him he was gay. Eventually he got to believe in that.

Actually men are more likely than females to resort to homocide, even in opposite sex couples. So with same sex male relationships the homocide rates will be higher rate than opposite sex couples for male couples. Actually I did post links that were recent. Example this was published in 2019Study highlights differences between gay, straight suicides

I fully believe that a primary cause of suicide of gays are due to intimate partner problems and arguments. Infact I actually really considered suicide due to intimate partner problem I had a while ago. More research should be put on that, and the gay media and gay media press states that it is only homophobia, especially from the church that brings gays to suicide. I find that rather misleading. Sure there are many guys that commit suicide due to homophobia, and yes it is not Christ like to disown a child because they are gay, yet to love someone does not necessary mean you have to agree with everything they do. Even the Lord Jesus loves us, even when we are disobedient to him, but he is always there striving to reach out to us as he wants us to turn to him.

In addition what gays experience is a culture of Promiscuity, and when a young guy goes out and wants to explore his sexuality he will encounter a culture of promiscuity, and a culture of high drug use, alcohol abuse, and STDS. Even if he is lucky to find a partner, it is not common in the gay world for relationships to last, and even if they do last long term it is not monogamous. With all the gay couples I have ever known, not one I know of that is monogamous if the relationship last long term.

Yet long term monogamony for opposite sex couples exists and many opposite couples have married all their life and never cheated on their partner.
 
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He did went to a female hooker for awhile, [/quote] it's rather rude to call the man's girlfriend a hooker.

yet that did not last and went back to men, and he did have boyfriends too and was a gay activist too. The vast majority of his sexual encounters were men. His STDS and has major health problems today due to the sexual activity of men, and has to wear a adult diaper for the rest of his life due to the practises he did when he lived a gay life (this is a g rated sight so I not going to state exactly what).
you mean when he gave birth to a demon?

He did feel different when he was a child compared to his peers growing up, and was labelled gay at school. Actually it was a gay affirming priest who molested him when he was a child and also told him he was gay. Eventually he got to believe in that.

Actually men are more likely than females to resort to homocide, even in opposite sex couples. So with same sex male relationships the homocide rates will be higher rate than opposite sex couples for male couples. Actually I did post links that were recent. Example this was published in 2019Study highlights differences between gay, straight suicides

I fully believe that a primary cause of suicide of gays are due to intimate partner problems and arguments. Infact I actually really considered suicide due to intimate partner problem I had a while ago. More research should be put on that, and the gay media and gay media press states that it is only homophobia, especially from the church that brings gays to suicide. I find that rather misleading. Sure there are many guys that commit suicide due to homophobia, and yes it is not Christ like to disown a child because they are gay, yet to love someone does not necessary mean you have to agree with everything they do. Even the Lord Jesus loves us, even when we are disobedient to him, but he is always there striving to reach out to us as he wants us to turn to him.

In addition what gays experience is a culture of Promiscuity, and when a young guy goes out and wants to explore his sexuality he will encounter a culture of promiscuity, and a culture of high drug use, alcohol abuse, and STDS. Even if he is lucky to find a partner, it is not common in the gay world for relationships to last, and even if they do last long term it is not monogamous. With all the gay couples I have ever known, not one I know of that is monogamous if the relationship last long term.

Yet long term monogamony for opposite sex couples exists and many opposite couples have married all their life and never cheated on their partner.
again you really shouldn't get your "facts' from anti-gay hate groups.


You bring up the promiscuity myth, it's a popular one for hate groups. It's almost as popular as the "gays have a life expectancy of 42 years" lie. But the funny thing is when researchers actually go and look at the subject and actually compare straight men and gay men they find that there is no difference in levels of promiscuity.
 
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I read his book and he did seek out female prositutes for awhile, but that did not last and went back to men. I read articles as well written by him.

Sure he talks about demons and they are real and he was possessed by demons.

Well Scripture talks about demonic spirits and they can enter the human body, even through sexual intercourse and even through watching inappropriate content and it transfers from one person to another. There is a powerful transference of spirits through sex, and it is the easiest way through which evil spirits are easily transferred from one person to another. In majority of the cases of negative transference of spirits; over 85 percent are traceable to sexual activities. The Bible tells in (1 Cor. 6:16), that if you are joined sexually with a harlot, you both become one; so if you have sexual relationship with a highly demonized person(s) or member of the occult, a witch or wizard, fetish priest and marine agents, it will bring unholy transference of spirits from such a person to the unsuspecting victim.13 Ways Transference of Spirits happens - MannaEXPRESS

Scripture talks about unclean spirits
Matthew 12:43-45
“When the unclean spirit has gone out of a person, it passes through waterless places seeking rest, but finds none. Then it says, ‘I will return to my house from which I came.’ And when it comes, it finds the house empty, swept, and put in order. Then it goes and brings with it seven other spirits more evil than itself, and they enter and dwell there, and the last state of that person is worse than the first. So also will it be with this evil generation.”

I never said that gay men life span is 42 years old.

BTW do you think I am lying that there is no gay couple I know that has had relationships that have lasted long term have remained monoymous? Yet I know of cases of opposite sex couples that have lasted long term that have remained anonymous? As far as I know I even know some gay couples are just as promiscuous a typical promiscuous single same sex attracted person.

The New York times shares an article about how many married gay couples share an open secrethttps://wwhttps://www.nytimes.com/2...tmlw.nytimes.com/2010/01/29/us/29sfmetro.html

Its interesting that this article came out before the US nationwide legalised gay marriage. After all gays activists were striving to portray that gay couples are not really different from opposite sex couples and are even capable of monogamous relationships.

BTW Ricky Martin who is married to a man and has 2 young children has stated he wants to normalise open relationships: Ricky Martin is on a mission to normalise open relationships | Metro News

Yet gay couples strive to portray that same sex couples are no different from opposite sex couples. Even the liberal media portrays that even same sex couples with children function better than opposite sex couples Why Gay Parents May Be the Best Parents | Live Science
 
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Two of the same kind can never become "one flesh" before GOD, except in the imagination.
A generation ago they were saying the same thing about interracial couples. Its sad how times change but the intolerance stays the same.
 
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I read his book and he did seek out female prositutes for awhile, but that did not last and went back to men. I read articles as well written by him.

Sure he talks about demons and they are real and he was possessed by demons.
and he gave birth to one as well.

I never said that gay men life span is 42 years old.
it's a common lie used by hate groups just like the lie about promiscuity and the lie about abusing children and the lie about domestic violence and the lie about mass murders and so many others.


BTW do you think I am lying that there is no gay couple I know that has had relationships that have lasted long term have remained monoymous? Yet I know of cases of opposite sex couples that have lasted long term that have remained anonymous? As far as I know I even know some gay couples are just as promiscuous a typical promiscuous single same sex attracted person.
I only know one Australian on a personal level. He is a convicted. By your standard i can talk about how Australians are pedophiles because i have never met an Australian who has not sexually abused children. DO my limited interactions with Australians prove something about Australians?


The New York times shares an article about how many married gay couples share an open secrethttps://wwhttps://www.nytimes.com/2...tmlw.nytimes.com/2010/01/29/us/29sfmetro.html

and here are three articles about how many heterosexuals couples have open marriages.
Polyamory Works for Them - The New York Times
Is an Open Marriage a Happier Marriage? - The New York Times (nytimes.com)
Why this sex therapist says you should be in an open marriage (nypost.com)


Now did you have a point?



Its interesting that this article came out before the US nationwide legalised gay marriage. After all gays activists were striving to portray that gay couples are not really different from opposite sex couples and are even capable of monogamous relationships.
and how does the many heterosexual couples who have open relationships contribute to that?


BTW Ricky Martin who is married to a man and has 2 young children has stated he wants to normalise open relationships: Ricky Martin is on a mission to normalise open relationships | Metro News
just like a lot of heterosexuals. DO you have a point?

Yet gay couples strive to portray that same sex couples are no different from opposite sex couples. Even the liberal media portrays that even same sex couples with children function better than opposite sex couples Why Gay Parents May Be the Best Parents | Live Science
so you are trying to use a study that shows gay parents are good parents to justify your personal bigotry? How does that work?
 
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and he gave birth to one as well.

it's a common lie used by hate groups just like the lie about promiscuity and the lie about abusing children and the lie about domestic violence and the lie about mass murders and so many others.


I only know one Australian on a personal level. He is a convicted. By your standard i can talk about how Australians are pedophiles because i have never met an Australian who has not sexually abused children. DO my limited interactions with Australians prove something about Australians?




and here are three articles about how many heterosexuals couples have open marriages.
Polyamory Works for Them - The New York Times
Is an Open Marriage a Happier Marriage? - The New York Times (nytimes.com)
Why this sex therapist says you should be in an open marriage (nypost.com)


Now did you have a point?



and how does the many heterosexual couples who have open relationships contribute to that?



just like a lot of heterosexuals. DO you have a point?

so you are trying to use a study that shows gay parents are good parents to justify your personal bigotry? How does that work?
Well it is known there are gay priests that abuse boys Here is the following from a Doctor on this:

Dr. Richard Fitzgibbons, who has experience in the psychiatric treatment of large numbers of priests over thirty-four years: “every priest whom I treated who was involved with children sexually had previously been involved in adult homosexual relationshipshttps://www.tandfonline.com/doi/pdf/10.1179/002436311803888276

Anyway here is a link to a gay affirming priest who has challenged the traditional Catholic teachings of sexually, but has been recently charged with sexual contact with a minor and possessing child inappropriate contentography. Former Rapid City priest accused of having sexual contact with minor, possessing child inappropriate content

Or the disgraced priest Paul Shanley who was a gay affirming priest who hippie priest for his long hair and outspoken views, including his public rejection of the church's condemnation of homosexuality." yet he was sent to jail of abusing and raping a child. Paul Shanley - Wikipedia.

Actually the Catholic church was wrong all along hiring gay priests and they have become more lax since the 1950s: rior to the 1950s the proportion of homosexual men in the priesthood was about the same as in the general population. By the 1980s homosexual men made up over 16% of the presbyterate, which is over 8 times that of the general population. That increased presence of homosexual priests has been accompanied by an increase of about 24 additional incidents of currently-reported abuse per year. Extrapolating to all reported abuse results in an estimate that if the concentration of homosexual men in the Catholic priesthood had remained at its relatively low level of the early 1950s, abuse would have been about 85% lower, sparing an estimated 12,594 children, mostly boys, from sexual victimization by Catholic priests in the United States.Is Catholic Clergy Sex Abuse Related to Homosexual Priests? by Donald Sullins :: SSRN

I not saying that not all gays are pedophilies just as not all straights are.

We live in a Broken and messy world. Only through the power of the holy spirit people can change.

I have a question for you. What does the Bible say about homosexual practice?
 
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Well it is known there are gay priests that abuse boys Here is the following from a Doctor on this:

Dr. Richard Fitzgibbons, who has experience in the psychiatric treatment of large numbers of priests over thirty-four years: “every priest whom I treated who was involved with children sexually had previously been involved in adult homosexual relationshipshttps://www.tandfonline.com/doi/pdf/10.1179/002436311803888276

Anyway here is a link to a gay affirming priest who has challenged the traditional Catholic teachings of sexually, but has been recently charged with sexual contact with a minor and possessing child inappropriate contentography. Former Rapid City priest accused of having sexual contact with minor, possessing child inappropriate content

Or the disgraced priest Paul Shanley who was a gay affirming priest who hippie priest for his long hair and outspoken views, including his public rejection of the church's condemnation of homosexuality." yet he was sent to jail of abusing and raping a child. Paul Shanley - Wikipedia.

Actually the Catholic church was wrong all along hiring gay priests and they have become more lax since the 1950s: rior to the 1950s the proportion of homosexual men in the priesthood was about the same as in the general population. By the 1980s homosexual men made up over 16% of the presbyterate, which is over 8 times that of the general population. That increased presence of homosexual priests has been accompanied by an increase of about 24 additional incidents of currently-reported abuse per year. Extrapolating to all reported abuse results in an estimate that if the concentration of homosexual men in the Catholic priesthood had remained at its relatively low level of the early 1950s, abuse would have been about 85% lower, sparing an estimated 12,594 children, mostly boys, from sexual victimization by Catholic priests in the United States.Is Catholic Clergy Sex Abuse Related to Homosexual Priests? by Donald Sullins :: SSRN

I not saying that not all gays are pedophilies
it sounds like that is exactly what you are trying to say
 
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it sounds like that is exactly what you are trying to say
Well I was never attracted to children, and there are many many same sex attracted are not. Yet it happens among some gays.

Anyway I have read different versions of the Bible and it never talks about homosexuality in a positive light. Do you think I am reading the bible wrong, or the Bible has changed? Or the Bible has no understanding of modern day sexuality?

I have seen how society has changed a lot since I was a child, were most people did not look at homosexuality in a positive light. Yet today a majority of people see it in a positive light. Yet what ever people choose to believe God standards are more important than what people out there perceive is right and just.
 
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Well I was never attracted to children, and there are many many same sex attracted are not. Yet it happens among some gays.
in truth is it rare for a gay man to be be a pedophile

Jenny, Carole; Roesler, Thomas A.; Poyer, Kimberly L. “Are children at risk for sexual abuse by homosexuals?” Pediatrics
Found the percentage of homosexual child molesters is 0.4%


Groth, A. Nicholas; Birnbaum, H Jean. “Adult sexual orientation and attraction to underage persons.” Archives of Sexual Behavior
found that all of the convicted child molesters in the state of Massachusetts were heterosexual

Groth, A. Nicholas; Hobson, William F.; Gary, Thomas S. “The child molester: clinical observations.” In Social Work and Child Sexual Abuse.
These people worked for years with child molesters and they couldn’t identify one adult gay man who was a molester


Freund, Kurt; Watson, Robin J.; Rienzo, Douglas. “Heterosexuality, homosexuality, and the erotic age preference.” Journal of Sex Research
Measured sexual responses of pedophiles to images of adults and found none attracted to adult males

Holmes, W.C. and Slap, G.B. Sexual abuse of boys: Definition, prevalence, correlates, sequelae and management. Journal of the American Medical Association
99% or all pedophiles re heterosexual men.

and many other studies as well.
Yin Xu and Zheng, Y Prevalence of Childhood Sexual Abuse among Lesbian, Gay, and Bisexual People. Journal of Child sexual abuse. 2015

RR Frenzel, RA Lang Identifying sexual preferences in interfamilial and extrafamiilial child sexual abusers. Annals of Sex Research 2010

Holmes, W.C. and Slap, G.B. Sexual abuse of boys: Definition, prevalence, correlates, sequelae and management. Journal of the American Medical Association 2019
 
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in truth is it rare for a gay man to be be a pedophile

Jenny, Carole; Roesler, Thomas A.; Poyer, Kimberly L. “Are children at risk for sexual abuse by homosexuals?” Pediatrics
Found the percentage of homosexual child molesters is 0.4%


Groth, A. Nicholas; Birnbaum, H Jean. “Adult sexual orientation and attraction to underage persons.” Archives of Sexual Behavior
found that all of the convicted child molesters in the state of Massachusetts were heterosexual

Groth, A. Nicholas; Hobson, William F.; Gary, Thomas S. “The child molester: clinical observations.” In Social Work and Child Sexual Abuse.
These people worked for years with child molesters and they couldn’t identify one adult gay man who was a molester


Freund, Kurt; Watson, Robin J.; Rienzo, Douglas. “Heterosexuality, homosexuality, and the erotic age preference.” Journal of Sex Research
Measured sexual responses of pedophiles to images of adults and found none attracted to adult males

Holmes, W.C. and Slap, G.B. Sexual abuse of boys: Definition, prevalence, correlates, sequelae and management. Journal of the American Medical Association
99% or all pedophiles re heterosexual men.

and many other studies as well.
Yin Xu and Zheng, Y Prevalence of Childhood Sexual Abuse among Lesbian, Gay, and Bisexual People. Journal of Child sexual abuse. 2015

RR Frenzel, RA Lang Identifying sexual preferences in interfamilial and extrafamiilial child sexual abusers. Annals of Sex Research 2010

Holmes, W.C. and Slap, G.B. Sexual abuse of boys: Definition, prevalence, correlates, sequelae and management. Journal of the American Medical Association 2019
I got a question for you. Can you answer this: What does the Bible say about homosexual behavour? Can you point out any verses in the Bible that portray homosexuality in a positive light? Are you a Christian? Are you born again?
 
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I got a question for you. Can you answer this: What does the Bible say about homosexual behavour? Can you point out any verses in the Bible that portray homosexuality in a positive light? Are you a Christian? Are you born again?
would that change the truth about the false claims of promiscuity? of child abuse? of homicide? of domestic violence?
 
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I apologize if this has already been brought up, I read the first page and half of the second and didn't see anyone mention it. What God has set out as correct remains correct, and what is sin remains sin because God does not change. Yet sin no longer condemns us, only unbelief does. So the question is: is homosexuality unbelief? It seems that this should be an obvious no, but it's not quite that simple. Sin and unbelief are related, in that willful sin is a denial of Christ and an expression of underlying unbelief. Homosexuality can be willful or inadvertent, an attempt to declare Christ defiled or an honest attempt to live honestly to who they believe themselves to be. The topic is not one we can make sweeping declarations on, because every individual is a different situation and God is working on us all in different ways. So we maintain that sin is sin, but we love and as best we can accept the individual as a unique person crafted by God struggling to live for God as they understand.
 
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would that change the truth about the false claims of promiscuity? of child abuse? of homicide? of domestic violence?
If I offended you in some way I am sorry. Sure the Church has had problems with its discrimination of LGBT people and many LGBT people are turned off Christianity due to the treatment of the church. However the Church has never been perfect. Church is a hospital of sinners, and none of us are perfect and only Christ alone is perfect.

The gays I have encountered I have seen a culture of promiscuity, even among couples that have been together long term. The gay culture is so much fixated on sex and instant gratification. I have been there and experienced that even when I was an out gay man. Sure you may claim I see sources that are hateful, but certain things there make sense and I can even relate to while I was an gay man.

Sure you may claim I get some sources from homophobic sights, yet I also have a testimony too. Of what I experienced as an out gay man, and how Jesus changed me.

Sure there is also a culture of promiscuity among straights as well, even among many many long term opposite couples. Sure you can find so much information on that as well.
 
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If I offended you in some way I am sorry. Sure the Church has had problems with its discrimination of LGBT people and many LGBT people are turned off Christianity due to the treatment of the church. However the Church has never been perfect. Church is a hospital of sinners, and none of us are perfect and only Christ alone is perfect.
It's not about the church and it's not about either of us. It's about the false claims leveled at a minority.


The gays I have encountered I have seen a culture of promiscuity, even among couples that have been together long term. The gay culture is so much fixated on sex and instant gratification. I have been there and experienced that even when I was an out gay man. Sure you may claim I see sources that are hateful, but certain things there make sense and I can even relate to while I was an gay man.
As noted above the Australians I have personally encountered are pedophiles and child molesters. Does that mean Australians are child molesters?

According to you it would. You place personal experience above any actual evidence.

Sure you may claim I get some sources from homophobic sights, yet I also have a testimony too. Of what I experienced as an out gay man, and how Jesus changed me.
Changed you into what?
 
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It's not about the church and it's not about either of us. It's about the false claims leveled at a minority.



As noted above the Australians I have personally encountered are pedophiles and child molesters. Does that mean Australians are child molesters?

According to you it would. You place personal experience above any actual evidence.

Changed you into what?
Well accepting Jesus as my personal saviour has changed my worldview. I used to be suicidal, had addictions and without him I would have killed myself quite a number of times. He has given me hope and love more than any other person, even male lover can ever provide.

BTW I also did send a link on another guy who used to live a gay life and how it nearly killed him. But all you is to discredit him. BTW he does mission work during San Francisco's major gay events and been doing it for a number of years now 2018 Folsom Street Fair Outreach ,A Look Back at 2019: SF Pride and Folsom Outreach, and wanted to do it again this year, but it was called off due to the lockdown. Maybe if you are there if you see him next time, then you can have a chat with him.

I did not say all gays are child molesters. I was not one and I know many gays that were not child molesters.

Well you have never walked in my shoes, yet I have lived the life many years as a gay person. Maybe you see I am a self hating gay person. Anyway I don't care, but what is more important is what God sees of me than any other person.
 
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Well accepting Jesus as my personal saviour has changed my worldview. I used to be suicidal, had addictions and without him I would have killed myself quite a number of times. He has given me hope and love more than any other person, even male lover can ever provide.

BTW I also did send a link on another guy who used to live a gay life and how it nearly killed him. But all you is to discredit him. BTW he does mission work during San Francisco's major gay events and been doing it for a number of years now 2018 Folsom Street Fair Outreach ,A Look Back at 2019: SF Pride and Folsom Outreach, and wanted to do it again this year, but it was called off due to the lockdown. Maybe if you are there if you see him next time, then you can have a chat with him.

I did not say all gays are child molesters. I was not one and I know many gays that were not child molesters.

Well you have never walked in my shoes, yet I have lived the life many years as a gay person. Maybe you see I am a self hating gay person. Anyway I don't care, but what is more important is what God sees of me than any other person.


you use personal experience to say homosexuals are promiscuous rather than actual research is no different form when use personal experience to associate Australians to child molesters.

Why do you find my use of personal experience to be objectionable?
 
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