Is there a "Sect" of Christianity for "Liberal" Christians?

Francis Earl said:

Revelation 22:5 says we will not need a lamp because God will be our light...

That light will not cause you to hate, there is a difference between what you do as a member of the Church and what you expect of others who have no interest.

We must seek the Spirit, not use the Bible as an excuse for our anger.

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You’re not my Pastor and I’d much rather get my teaching from him and not some arm chair theologian.

I went to Bible College for years and was a Pastor in the Calvary Chapel movement. I have a clear understanding of the Christian approach to confronting the sins of abortion and homosexuality.

Francis Earl said:

I cannot find the verse, but somewhere I was reading yesterday directly says that it is the Christians who make God look bad because of their attitudes...

Also know that you are how outsiders see the Church, and honestly it's appalling.

It is hardly a wonder that attendance is falling, that atheism is growing.

Even the "Christian" do not have Christ, so what is the sales pitch?

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Sounds like another sales pitch from a liberal who is pandering for support of acceptance of the liberal agenda.

Gifts From Above said:

You’re not my Pastor and I’d much rather get my teaching from him and not some arm chair theologian.

I went to Bible College for years and was a Pastor in the Calvary Chapel movement. I have a clear understanding of the Christian approach to confronting the sins of abortion and homosexuality.

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Why do you prefer what he says? How do you know he is saved? How do you know you are saved?

Remember well: "Many will say to me on that day, 'LORD, LORD, did we not prophesy in your name and in your name drive out demons and in your name perform many miracles?' Then I will tell them plainly, 'I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!"

Are you really confident that your hateful heart isn't evil?

Gifts From Above said:

Sounds like another sales pitch from a liberal who is pandering for support of acceptance of the liberal agenda.

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I call myself progressive because I think the past exists to learn from and advance...

I do not call myself liberal because I can barely tell half the time between two genders let alone 50

My only agenda is love.

I'm very sorry that is so egregious to you.

Francis Earl said:

Why do you prefer what he says? How do you know he is saved? How do you know you are saved?

Remember well: "Many will say to me on that day, 'LORD, LORD, did we not prophesy in your name and in your name drive out demons and in your name perform many miracles?' Then I will tell them plainly, 'I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!"

Are you really confident that your hateful heart isn't evil?

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You’re one to talk about hate. You have done nothing but rant here and argue for a sinful position. Are YOU sure that when Christ returns he will accept you as you gave your support to the abominable sins of abortion and homosexuality?

Francis Earl said:

My only agenda is love.

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Not hardly. I have felt zero love from you only witnessed you pandering to the radical leftists agenda.

Gifts From Above said:

You’re one to talk about hate. You have done nothing but rant here and argue for a sinful position. Are YOU sure that when Christ returns he will accept you as you gave your support to the abominable sins of abortion and homosexuality.

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No, that is not what I'm doing at all. I have said I do not support either, but I show that in not engaging either myself not by growing hate in my heart for them.

I am certain because the Spirit is with me, has anything from God happened on your way?

I do not think it possible because you are very hard hearted.

1 Corinthians 13 makes it clear you can have all the knowledge in the world, but if there is no love in you it is for nothing.

Francis Earl said:

No, that is not what I'm doing at all. I have said I do not support either, but I show that in not engaging either myself not by growing hate in my heart for them.

I am certain because the Spirit is with me, has anything from God happened on your way?

I do not think it possible because you are very hard hearted.

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It really has nothing to do with hatred or being hard hearted and everything to do with supporting a biblical perspective on sin.

Francis Earl said:

1 Corinthians 13 makes it clear you can have all the knowledge in the world, but if there is no love in you it is for nothing.

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I have a lot of love thanks. I get along well with my family and also my church family. People who are also opposed to the abominations of abortion and homosexuality.

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This is coming from the same person who doesn’t believe abortion is sin.

Francis Earl said:

He also says hatred and anger are against God.

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There are many, many more.

God hates all sin and has been angry a gazillion times. (Some one will ask, Where does it say gazillion?) Bleh...
I believe an example set by Christ where He spoke with the woman caught in adultery. What was His command? “Go and sin no more.” “No one, Lord, she answered. “Then neither do I condemn you, Jesus declared. “Now go and sin no more.” John, 8:11 Go and sin no more.

We cannot soft peddle the truth for fear of offending some persons delicate little spirit. We cannot bring them in with a lie. If they are serious, they will have the conviction of the spirit of God.

We cannot agree or condone sinful behavior. Romans, 1:32 Though they know God’s righteous decree that those who practice such things deserve to die, they not only do them but give approval to those who practice them.

Psalm, 11:5 The Lord tests the righteous, but his soul hates the wicked and the one who loves violence.

Proverbs, 6:16 There are six things that the Lord hates, seven that are an abomination to him: haughty eyes, a lying tongue, and hands that shed innocent blood, a heart that devises wicked plans, feet that make haste to run to evil, a false witness who breathes out lies, and one who sows discord among brothers.

Psalm, 5:5 The boastful shall not stand before your eyes; you hate all evildoers

Romans, 6:23 For the wages of sin is death, but the free gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord.

Proverbs, 8:13 The fear of the Lord is hatred of evil. Pride and arrogance and the way of evil and perverted speech I hate.

1 Cor, 6:9 Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: neither the sexually immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor men who practice homosexuality, nor thieves, nor the greedy, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God.

Isaiah, 59:2 But your iniquities have made a separation between you and your God, and your sins have hidden his face from you so that he does not hear.

Hebrews, 10:26 For if we go on sinning deliberately after receiving the knowledge of the truth, there no longer remains a sacrifice for sins,

Romans 12:9 Let love be genuine. Abhor what is evil; hold fast to what is good.
1 John, 1:6 If we say we have fellowship with him while we walk in darkness, we lie and do not practice the truth.

John, 8:44 You are of your father the devil, and your will is to do your father's desires. He was a murderer from the beginning, and has nothing to do with the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he lies, he speaks out of his own character, for he is a liar and the father of lies.

This is not hatred of people it is enough love to be honest when liars attempt to pervert the Word of God.

Having said that, there are many sins “God hates,” all of it.

1 John, 1:8 If we say we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. If we say we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.

In Christ

Francis Earl said:

I have showed God ordering miscarriages in Numbers 5:11-31 so are you against God? In Hosea 9:14, it says God will punish enemies by causing women to miscarry...

It certainly says not to murder, but Deuteronomy 13:12-15 says to kill everyone who believes another God... which is it?

You might be pro-life but you're also probably pro death penalty, so this seems hypocritical to me.

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Francis, where do you get the idea that Numbers 5.11-31 has anything to do with abortions?
In the community God (YHWH) established, children were considered a blessing. A quick read through Genesis will show you some uncanny conceptions. It would indeed be considered a punishment to be without child or miscarry, so it's a fitting description for the enemies of God's right way of doing things.
What many often forget is that the various peoples in the land that God's people were to inherit were so vile and wretched in their religious observations that included child sacrifice and making their own children sex slaves in their temples that in some situations, they could not be redeemed by human effort. To leave those communities intact with the opportunity to infiltrate the righteous system God was establishing with His people would have had exactly the effect that it did - because God's people didn't obey. They infiltrated toward the practices of those communities instead of continuing to obey God and being a light for any that wanted to escape that awful mess and live in a freer and safer God-centered community.

As to how this relates to the OP, it's the same story. Karin, you, like each of us, get to choose your adventure, but please be aware how it will impact your consequences. You can find a place that makes you feel more comfortable, or you can dig into the precious opportunity of reading what God wanted from His people and walk in it for yourself. I assure you, comfort for the present is not the goal, just as it wasn't for God's own Son. He was made perfect in suffering and we are to arm ourselves to overcome just as He did. Please consider seeking God's definitions to the social questions you pose and taking Him at His word. Don't believe any of us to make life-impacting decisions, but you can fully trust every word that comes from the mouth of YHWH and His Son Jesus.

Gifts From Above said:

This is coming from the same person who doesn’t believe abortion is sin.

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Have you even read the verses I've given? How can something God commands be a sin?

I would never be in a position to need an abortion because of my actions... but making it illegal for others is problematic. I think the sin is in the behavior for which it is a result, but very few are talking about that...

Francis Earl said:

Have you read Galatians and understood it because I don't think you have a Christ based notion of sin at all... I think you are one for whom Christ died for nothing.

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Yes I’ve read Galatians many times. I told you that I went to Bible College and that I used to be a Pastor.

Greengardener said:

Francis, where do you get the idea that Numbers 5.11-31 has anything to do with abortions?
In the community God (YHWH) established, children were considered a blessing. A quick read through Genesis will show you some uncanny conceptions. It would indeed be considered a punishment to be without child or miscarry, so it's a fitting description for the enemies of God's right way of doing things.
What many often forget is that the various peoples in the land that God's people were to inherit were so vile and wretched in their religious observations that included child sacrifice and making their own children sex slaves in their temples that in some situations, they could not be redeemed by human effort. To leave those communities intact with the opportunity to infiltrate the righteous system God was establishing with His people would have had exactly the effect that it did - because God's people didn't obey. They infiltrated toward the practices of those communities instead of continuing to obey God and being a light for any that wanted to escape that awful mess and live in a freer and safer God-centered community.

As to how this relates to the OP, it's the same story. Karin, you, like each of us, get to choose your adventure, but please be aware how it will impact your consequences. You can find a place that makes you feel more comfortable, or you can dig into the precious opportunity of reading what God wanted from His people and walk in it for yourself. I assure you, comfort for the present is not the goal, just as it wasn't for God's own Son. He was made perfect in suffering and we are to arm ourselves to overcome just as He did. Please consider seeking God's definitions to the social questions you pose and taking Him at His word. Don't believe any of us to make life-impacting decisions, but you can fully trust every word that comes from the mouth of YHWH and His Son Jesus.

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Numbers 5:21 is explicit, although wrongly translated by many bibles because of the anti-abortion stance...

Gifts From Above said:

Yes I’ve read Galatians many times. I told you that I went to Bible College and that I used to be a Pastor.

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Then why do you not abide by anything in it?

Why do you take the message as you see fit rather than understanding the whole message?

It is very odd.

Francis Earl said:

Then why do you not abide by anything in it?

Why do you take the message as you see fit father than understanding the whole message?

It is very odd.

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I do understand it and I do live by it. I just don’t agree with your liberal interpretation concerning the sins of homosexuality and abortion.