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cow451 · Sep 22, 2020

Soldier of the Cross said:
Then I guess you don't know racists have also used the American flag. If that is your only argument for the Confederate flag being racist, then I don't know why you aren't all up in arms about the American flag as well.

When the Confederate flag flies over the White House, you’ll have an argument.

cow451 · Sep 22, 2020

Soldier of the Cross said:
I know. That's why if you wanted to continue the discussion I was going to start a new thread. Understand?

As much as you look up to me, you don’t require my permission to start a thread. Good night and have a pleasant tomorrow.

Under One King · Sep 22, 2020

cow451 said:
When the Confederate flag flies over the White House, you’ll have an argument.

That won't happen because, um, this is not the Confederacy, this is America. The Confederates lost, remember?

Under One King · Sep 22, 2020

cow451 said:
As much as you look up to me, you don’t require my permission to start a thread. Good night and have a pleasant tomorrow.

Oh I'm sorry, I didn't know I could do it without your permission.
Actually, I was just asking because you mentioned we were getting of topic and I was starting to think the same thing. So I was asking if you wanted to continue the discussion. If not, I won't start a new thread. Understand?

Gene2memE · Sep 23, 2020

Soldier of the Cross said:
What causes do you think the Union fought for?

Slavery. Specifically their desire to continue to keep owning people as property.

It's in almost every declaration of succession, when causes are listed.

Georgia
The people of Georgia having dissolved their political connection with the Government of the United States of America, present to their confederates and the world the causes which have led to the separation. For the last ten years we have had numerous and serious causes of complaint against our non-slave-holding confederate States with reference to the subject of African slavery.

Mississippi
A Declaration of the Immediate Causes which Induce and Justify the Secession of the State of Mississippi from the Federal Union.

In the momentous step which our State has taken of dissolving its connection with the government of which we so long formed a part, it is but just that we should declare the prominent reasons which have induced our course.

Our position is thoroughly identified with the institution of slavery-- the greatest material interest of the world.

South Carolina

Declaration of the Immediate Causes Which Induce and Justify the Secession of South Carolina from the Federal Union

The people of the State of South Carolina, in Convention assembled, on the 26th day of April, A.D., 1852, declared that the frequent violations of the Constitution of the United States, by the Federal Government, and its encroachments upon the reserved rights of the States, fully justified this State in then withdrawing from the Federal Union; but in deference to the opinions and wishes of the other slaveholding States, she forbore at that time to exercise this right. Since that time, these encroachments have continued to increase, and further forbearance ceases to be a virtue.

...

But an increasing hostility on the part of the non-slaveholding States to the institution of slavery, has led to a disregard of their obligations, and the laws of the General Government have ceased to effect the objects of the Constitution.

Texas
A Declaration of the Causes which Impel the State of Texas to Secede from the Federal Union.

...

In all the non-slave-holding States, in violation of that good faith and comity which should exist between entirely distinct nations, the people have formed themselves into a great sectional party, now strong enough in numbers to control the affairs of each of those States, based upon an unnatural feeling of hostility to these Southern States and their beneficent and patriarchal system of African slavery, proclaiming the debasing doctrine of equality of all men, irrespective of race or color-- a doctrine at war with nature, in opposition to the experience of mankind, and in violation of the plainest revelations of Divine Law.

KCfromNC · Sep 23, 2020

cow451 said:
So why do people get their adult diapers in a wad when some professional athletes fail to stand for the national anthem or recite a pledge to the American flag?

That's different, because, you know, reasons and stuff.

Under One King · Sep 23, 2020

Gene2memE said:
Slavery. Specifically their desire to continue to keep owning people as property.

It's in almost every declaration of succession, when causes are listed.

Georgia
The people of Georgia having dissolved their political connection with the Government of the United States of America, present to their confederates and the world the causes which have led to the separation. For the last ten years we have had numerous and serious causes of complaint against our non-slave-holding confederate States with reference to the subject of African slavery.

Mississippi
A Declaration of the Immediate Causes which Induce and Justify the Secession of the State of Mississippi from the Federal Union.

In the momentous step which our State has taken of dissolving its connection with the government of which we so long formed a part, it is but just that we should declare the prominent reasons which have induced our course.

Our position is thoroughly identified with the institution of slavery-- the greatest material interest of the world.

South Carolina

Declaration of the Immediate Causes Which Induce and Justify the Secession of South Carolina from the Federal Union

The people of the State of South Carolina, in Convention assembled, on the 26th day of April, A.D., 1852, declared that the frequent violations of the Constitution of the United States, by the Federal Government, and its encroachments upon the reserved rights of the States, fully justified this State in then withdrawing from the Federal Union; but in deference to the opinions and wishes of the other slaveholding States, she forbore at that time to exercise this right. Since that time, these encroachments have continued to increase, and further forbearance ceases to be a virtue.

...

But an increasing hostility on the part of the non-slaveholding States to the institution of slavery, has led to a disregard of their obligations, and the laws of the General Government have ceased to effect the objects of the Constitution.

Texas
A Declaration of the Causes which Impel the State of Texas to Secede from the Federal Union.

...

In all the non-slave-holding States, in violation of that good faith and comity which should exist between entirely distinct nations, the people have formed themselves into a great sectional party, now strong enough in numbers to control the affairs of each of those States, based upon an unnatural feeling of hostility to these Southern States and their beneficent and patriarchal system of African slavery, proclaiming the debasing doctrine of equality of all men, irrespective of race or color-- a doctrine at war with nature, in opposition to the experience of mankind, and in violation of the plainest revelations of Divine Law.

You think that's what the union fought for? Read the question you quoted.

dogs4thewin · Sep 23, 2020

cow451 said:
So why do people get their adult diapers in a wad when some professional athletes fail to stand for the national anthem or recite a pledge to the American flag?

because they feel that we should respect what that flag stands for, but at the end of the day one can show ewspect without standing and one could stand, but still not have any respect for the flag or country.

Pommer · Sep 23, 2020

dogs4thewin said:
...It is a piece of cloth. You can attach racism to it but a piece of cloth is just that.

dogs4thewin said:
because they feel that we should respect what that flag stands for, but at the end of the day one can show ewspect without standing and one could stand, but still not have any respect for the flag or country.

That knife you got cuts a hair finely!

driewerf · Sep 24, 2020

Soldier of the Cross said:
No, constitutional republic. Even if we were a democratic republic, that is very different than a democracy.
We the people. Every person and group, even the minorities are made to have a voice. Unlike a democracy, where majority (mob) rules.

That change in terminology from conservatives is funny. When someone wants to adapt the Second Amendment it's "We, the People". When it's about democracy, We the People become a mob.
Funny change in terminology.

hislegacy · Sep 24, 2020

ChristianForCats said:
Tuesday, November 3, 2020 is 45 days away. I am counting down the days because this one is by far the most important presidential election at least since 1932, if not 1860. Is anybody with me?

Absolutely with you on the importance of this election.

It will determine the course of this country for years to come.

Under One King · Sep 24, 2020

driewerf said:
That change in terminology from conservatives is funny. When someone wants to adapt the Second Amendment it's "We, the People". When it's about democracy, We the People become a mob.
Funny change in terminology.

Hmm...No change in terminology here. "We the People" means every person. A democracy ignores everyone except the majority, or as we could call it, the mob. That's not a government of "we the people." It's a government of "we the majority of the people."

GodLovesCats · Sep 24, 2020

hislegacy said:
Absolutely with you on the importance of this election.

It will determine the course of this country for years to come.

It is so important because we need to get Trump out of office. You need to vote for Biden to agree with a post that compares the magnitude of this election to the Civil War and Great Depression.

hislegacy · Sep 24, 2020

ChristianForCats said:
It is so important because we need to get Trump out of office. You need to vote for Biden to agree with a post that compares the magnitude of this election to the Civil War and Great Depression.

No, I don’t. I believe Biden is the worst choice available. The simple fact that people not wanting Trump are threatening violence if he is re elected is enough proof for me that he is not the man, nor good for this nation.

Combine that with 47 years of voting record, I personally believe he is not worth my vote.

KCfromNC · Sep 24, 2020

hislegacy said:
No, I don’t. I believe Biden is the worst choice available. The simple fact that people not wanting Trump are threatening violence if he is re elected is enough proof for me that he is not the man, nor good for this nation.

Are we really going to judge candidates by the worst their supporters do?

https://www.washingtonpost.com/poli...-promotes-video-supporter-saying-white-power/

GodLovesCats · Sep 24, 2020

hislegacy said:
No, I don’t. I believe Biden is the worst choice available. The simple fact that people not wanting Trump are threatening violence if he is re elected is enough proof for me that he is not the man, nor good for this nation.

Combine that with 47 years of voting record, I personally believe he is not worth my vote.

So why do you have a flag with a blue stripe for your avatar?

If Donald Trump was just another Republican - not someone who threatens democracy and is clearly unfit to be president - I would not have called it the most important election in almost 100 years. It is all about kicking him out of office, not the issues, for everyone who will vote for Joe Biden.

Under One King · Sep 24, 2020

I call it the most important election in a long time for pretty much the opposite reason. America is falling, and if the liberals win big, it will likely be all over.

GreatLakes4Ever · Sep 24, 2020

Soldier of the Cross said:
I call it the most important election in a long time for pretty much the opposite reason. America is falling, and if the liberals win big, it will likely be all over.

If America is failing, why would I vote for the guy who has been in charge for the last four years while it has been failing?

Yttrium · Sep 24, 2020

Soldier of the Cross said:
I call it the most important election in a long time for pretty much the opposite reason. America is falling, and if the liberals win big, it will likely be all over.

We've had liberals in charge before. It's nothing new. The country's survived just fine with both liberals and conservatives in charge.

Under One King · Sep 24, 2020

GreatLakes4Ever said:
If America is failing, why would I vote for the guy who has been in charge for the last four years while it has been failing?

Obviously, we differ in opinion here. You think it is failing because if the right, I think it is failing because of the left. Trump is slowing the left down (that's why they hate him). I want the left to continue to be slowed down. You want the right to be slowed down. We are opposites.

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