Mandatory (mRNA) Vaccine - The Orthodox Response

Statement from leaders of The Green Orthodox, Catholic, and Anglican in Australia.

https://www.oceanitissa.com.au/covid19vaccine

Xenophon said:

The Health Comissioner for my state says that as long as he's in office he will mandate the vaccine, regardless of what the end vaccine is (as long it is 'safe,' whatever that means.) The state legislature is currently looking at a bill to allow religious exemptions, and if not passed there almost certainly won't be one.

This state's vaccine mandate declares "...objects thereto on the grounds that the administration of immunizing agents conflicts with his religious tenets or practices, unless an emergency or epidemic of disease has been declared by the Board;" Emergency has already been declared, therefore the state can over-ride religious exemption under the current law.

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yeesh, prayers for sure

Hermit76 said:

Statement from leaders of The Green Orthodox, Catholic, and Anglican in Australia.

https://www.oceanitissa.com.au/covid19vaccine

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Wow. This stuff is becoming insidious

and, I should add, this morning I had to send info to a soldier concerning a religious exemption for vaccines with ingredients from abortions.

so yeah, they are out there.

ArmyMatt said:

and, I should add, this morning I had to send info to a soldier concerning a religious exemption for vaccines with ingredients from abortions.

so yeah, they are out there.

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Did you actually read the posts in this thread? Or is the issue with your comprehension ability?

tapi said:

Did you actually read the posts in this thread? Or is the issue with your comprehension ability?

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yes...this was a follow up to my post #42.

so yeah, I did read this thread and there is no issue with my comprehension ability.

no need for the snarkiness.

and actually, myself and JRSG had a conversation about this topic starting on post #42 and going through a large chunk of page 3 of this thread.

tapi said:

Did you actually read the posts in this thread? Or is the issue with your comprehension ability?

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Not cool at all man.

I find it interesting to see how some people will ignore (or simply have not taken the time to inform themselves) what is going on with not only this virus, but the whole healthcare issue in general.

The LIES!

The CDC admitted a couple of weeks ago that they pumped up the death count by 43,000 by counting flu and pneumonia deaths as being from Covid. 300 testing centers in Florida were caught turning in 100% positive test results. This is IMPOSSIBLE. They were LYING!!! Hospitals were caught reporting a man who died in a motorcycle accident died from Covid 19. LIES!!! Why??? People are being tested and retested, but instead of just one set of tests being reported, each test is reported as a separate personal test, which FALSELY INFLATES THE NUMBERS!!!

Hydroxycloroquine has been used safely for treatment of malaria for 70 years, but when President Trump all of a sudden brings this up, the Liberal media in this country became rabid attack dogs. Doctors have used it with 100% success in treating patients, along with another treatment called "inhaled cortical steroids."

There is a deafening silence about prophylaxis treatments such as Vitamin C, zinc, selenium, and other natural substances which impede the progress of the disease.

Then there's the politics of this. Look at what the Democrats have done in their states: closed down the parishes while leaving WalMart open to the masses. They spent a good portion of their time blaming President Trump for not acting fast enough, and thereby blaming him for all the deaths from Covid 19. the facts are different. He banned travel from China on January 31st and the Democrats called him nuts and a xenophobe etc.

Trump moved to have a hospital ship sent to NYC for DeBlasio. It was never used. Instead, the elderly, those most likely to die from the virus, were shuffled off to nursing homes by the hundreds, caught the virus, and died.

Priests were not allowed to see dying parishioners to administer the Sacrament of Last Rites.

Bill Gates has been caught in a web of deceit regarding vaccines that is so atrocious that India has banned him and his garbage from ever going there again. He is not welcome in Africa either. Yet to bring this up, one gets called a "conspiracy nut." It's not a conspiracy if you can show the facts. Those who don't think there are conspiracies apparently are not very good students of human history - since the Fall, men have lusted for dominion over others. Now they have the technology to pull it off.

From Day One of this virus we were terrorized by the media and government. It was so bad that people felt that if they went outside of their houses and drew a deep breath of air, they would be dead in 24 hours from this horrible disease.

98.5% of all the people who have caught this virus have survived it. I am sorry for the deaths of those who caught it and perished, but can we be honest - death strikes us every single day from a multitude of diseases, accidents, etc. Shall we all just live in our houses for the rest of our lives until every virus, bacteria, and germ is conquered? 60 million people caught the SARS virus, yet we didn't see the kind of reaction we have seen with this virus. Why? Was it worth upping the suicide rates, the rate of alcoholism and depression, and putting 40 million people out of work for a virus that kills 1% of the people who get infected?

And answer this question: WHY ALL THE LIES???

Maybe certain people in Sweden don't have theses problems, but here in America, we are locked in a culture war to the death, and we have people who will do anything they can to take over this country and run it in the manner they want. The sad part is that there are so many people who are paying more attention to whether or not college football is going to return than to all the LIES that have been told about this virus.

So much of what you say just isn't so - it's not worth even getting into it. But, yes, if the rate were 1% fatalities (which it isn't), that would be hellish and even more drastic measures would be reasonable.

EDIT: I also want to be clear about something: there's what individual public health experts and epidemiologists say, what public health officials and institutions say, what politicians say, and what journalists and pundits reporting or interpreting what all of the above say. There's a lot of different things floating around, but if you only go on journalistic reporting of what politicians and public health officials say, you're going to be scattered to the winds.

tapi said:

Did you actually read the posts in this thread? Or is the issue with your comprehension ability?

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Army Matt is a priest, and a fine one at that. Maybe try to have some respect?

Platina said:

Army Matt is a priest, and a fine one at that. Maybe try to have some respect?

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I do not doubt his pastoral abilities. Clerical ordinations however do not confer magical ability to understand all situations and come up with the right answers. So while I respect his priesthood, that does not mean I need to agree with him on everything nor pamper him with "respect" if he is in thew rong.

Let's run back the discussion about the abortions in this thread:

1) It was asserted by Brighid that vaccines are made of aborted fetuses and that vaccinations fuel the " the abortion industry". According to this antivaxxer theory, babies are right now being aborted and placed in vials along with "toxins" to manufacture vaccines. This provides financial gain to the evil plotters, and as a bonus they get to rejoice in the deaths of innocent children.

2) JSRG rightly pointed out that there are "zero vaccines used with tissue taken from abortions. There are, however, vaccines that use a cell line that was derived from fetal tissue taken from two abortions performed decades ago--but those cell lines do not contain fetal tissue". This is true; a few vaccines are grown on cell lines derived from a foetus that was aborted years ago, because viruses grow better on the type of cells that they normally infect. The vaccine is then washed, eliminating all but a trace of the growth medium. So no, there are no dead babies in any vaccine, and no new babies are aborted to make vaccines.

3) Armymatt asserted that since in the military people are granted religious exemptions in regard to vaccinations, there _must_ be vaccinations made by the "use of fetal tissue" because otherwise there would be no religious exemption. He persists with this view, despite having been clearly told it is way too simplistic and does not correspond to actual reality. There simply are not any vaccinations made from aborted fetal tissue.

I think his interventions in the discussion are harmful, because they can cultivate the truly harmful views such as Brighids, which if they were common, would result in the deaths of millions of people annually. In failing to comprehend the distinctions and treating the matter in a very simpleton way, he is not helping the discussion.

well, I persist in this view because it's kinda part of my job as a Chaplain in the Army. I am briefed pretty consistently from my higher ups about what is, and isn't out there, as far as I need to know about religious exemptions. guys have tried to get me on not getting vaccines because they don't believe anything foreign should go into their veins. that doesn't warrant a religious exemption, so no dice.

I also never said that vaccines taken with ingredients taken from abortions is common, or that I knew any specific numbers in that regard.

I also said that I do regularly get my required vaccines without a complaint. so I am not anti-vaccine at all.

and lastly, none of this has anything to do with me either not reading the thread, or my ability to comprehend English.

also, I never said I agreed with Brighid and wasn't responding to her, so her position is irrelevant.

oh, and lastly, JSRG said as far as he is aware there are none taken from abortions. that doesn't mean there are none.

and again, I am not saying this is a common practice or anything. it could be insanely uncommon. that wasn't my point.

ArmyMatt said:

well, I persist in this view because it's kinda part of my job as a Chaplain in the Army. I am briefed pretty consistently from my higher ups about what is, and isn't out there, as far as I need to know about religious exemptions. guys have tried to get me on not getting vaccines because they don't believe anything foreign should go into their veins. that doesn't warrant a religious exemption, so no dice.

I also never said that vaccines taken with ingredients taken from abortions is common, or that I knew any specific numbers in that regard.

I also said that I do regularly get my required vaccines without a complaint. so I am not anti-vaccine at all.

and lastly, none of this has anything to do with me either not reading the thread, or my ability to comprehend English.

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Yes, I can understand your situation. I think my frustration is mostly with the fact that people very much look up to the priests of the Church and I believe clergy should take all precautions to avoid fermenting dangerous ideologies or fantasies (even if inadvertently). It is important to take into account true concerns, but one needs be very careful with the way they phrase things in discussions. I personally get extremely frustrated with some of the more harmful "theories" that have come up even within the Church in the recent times and I would hope that they be smashed at every point of intervention. Sorry for being snarky, I was out of line.

tapi said:

Yes, I can understand your situation. I think my frustration is mostly with the fact that people very much look up to the priests of the Church and I believe clergy should take all precautions to avoid fermenting dangerous ideologies or fantasies (even if inadvertently). It is important to take into account true concerns, but one needs be very careful with the way they phrase things in discussions. I personally get extremely frustrated with some of the more harmful "theories" that have come up even within the Church in the recent times and I would hope that they be smashed at every point of intervention. Sorry for being snarky, I was out of line.

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it's all good.

gzt said:

But, yes, if the rate were 1% fatalities (which it isn't), that would be hellish and even more drastic measures would be reasonable.

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No, they wouldn't. From your ideas, nobody despairs and drinks himself to death because he can't make money. Nobody jumps from the open window on the tenth floor out of despair. You can't see that a disease that really doesn't kill a lot of people is not worth driving a lot of people to despair; we have never done it, and don't need to now. I AM sorry for the victims, but again, I would rather see MYSELF and yes, even my family as victim than see my country become like Russia or China (and I know more than the average bear about Russia). No, it is not worth destroying many people's lives to save some lives.

tapi said:

I do not doubt his pastoral abilities. Clerical ordinations however do not confer magical ability to understand all situations and come up with the right answers. So while I respect his priesthood, that does not mean I need to agree with him on everything nor pamper him with "respect" if he is in thew rong.

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Young man, we need to "pamper" EVERYONE with a basic respect, as human beings. We are free to disrespect IDEAS, but not people. I think some of the ideas of some here border on or are actually heretical, but I will keep my focus on the ideas. It seems to me that sometimes you express or support Leftism, which is the ideology that deserves the single biggest kick. But you still rate a basic respect and politeness from me as a human being.

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