490 years Daniel 9 - my chart

Douggg said:

I have a chart and you don't. I have three charts, and you don't have any.

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First, do you think your incorrect chart is an authority over God's Word I quoted?

Second, this thread you started is about YOUR chart. It is not about mine or anyone else.

Third, what made you think I do not have some charts made which I have not planned to post here yet? You would regret this if I do.

Who are them in Ezekiel 39:7, God calls my people Israel, following Gog/Magog ?

Ezekiel 39:7 So will I make my holy name known in the midst of my people Israel; and I will not let them pollute my holy name any more: and the heathen shall know that I am the LORD, the Holy One in Israel.

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Obviously you do not know what the congregation of Israel is. The congregation Israel makes up two groups of people: The True messengers and professed messengers. Ezekiel 39:7 is talking about the judgment against the professed messengers so that they no longer pollute His Holy Name with their abominations in midst of His congregation. So there!

DavidPT said:

That might be true if these events involved are literally fulfilled as written, such as a literal temple in Jerusalem, where a literal person sits in it proclaiming to be God. But if these things are meaning in some other sense, in the meantime while some are still awaiting for a temple to get built in order to fulfill these things, maybe these things have already been coming to pass right under their noses the entire time, in a different sense altogether. We have to keep in mind, 2 Thessalonians 2 indicates God shall send strong delusion so that one will be believe a lie. Who would need to be deluded, though? Someone already deluded? Or someone not already deluded? I think that perhaps the falling away mentioned in that chapter might help answer that.

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So are you suggesting that the first 69 weeks were literal and the 70th week is not?

grafted branch said:

So are you suggesting that the first 69 weeks were literal and the 70th week is not?

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I basically see the first 69 weeks involving the literal, and that the 70th week has transitioned into the spiritual. That's about the best way I can describe it. The first 69 weeks led to His first coming. The end of the 70th week will lead to His 2nd coming. And why not? It's not like there are not 2 advents of Christ.

Douggg said:

No one knows the day nor hour for the Rapture.

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But Matthew 24:36 isn’t referring to a rapture, it’s referring to Matthew 24:29-30. Immediately after the tribulation of those days … they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven.

Douggg said:

Daniel 9 does not say there in no gap. Other prophecies in the bible indicate there is a gap.

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Is the gap the Church age, or how do you interpret the gap?

Douggg said:

Daniel 9 does not say there in no gap. Other prophecies in the bible indicate there is a gap.

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Prove it! Show us the "prophecies" in the Scripture that tells us about a "gap!" Don't make it up. Quote God's Word that says it.

Douggg said:

I really don't know what to call the gap.... as far as a label.

I interpret the gap (if pinpointed to the very day) as between the day of Jesus's crucifixion and the day the Antichrist confirms the Mt. Sinai covenant for 7 years as the newly anointed King of Israel, coming in his own name.

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Then it is purely speculation without Scripture support whatever. You can't make up a gap and insert it into Scripture when it does NOT say. Private interpretation. Plain and simple.

I think a dispensationalist, who is pre-trib, would refer to the gap as the Church age.

I am neither a dispensatonalists nor pre-trib. But I am not on a quest to attack them.

I am a futurist, non-dispenationalist, and anytime rapture view.

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Your labels mean nothing as long as your blind to the "National Israel Only" doctrine. It has been proved inaccurate.

I am waiting for your BIBLICAL proof of my question:

Douggg said:

The word "gap" does not appear in Daniel 9.

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Shocking, isn't it? That does not mean that you can add to the Word of God with a gap, doesn't it?

The end time prophecies in the bible indicates that there has to be a gap. As well as Daniel's people the Jews and Jerusalem have yet to embrace Jesus as the messiah, nor the gospel of Salvation.

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No, no, no! Can't you know how to quote Scripture to support your nonsense? Just because the Jews did not embrace Messiah the first time does not give you, the license nor Scripture support, to insert your so-called gap THEORY so that after 2,000 years, the Jews will have a second chance finally receive Christ. Perish the thought!

Prove it with Scripture, not your speculations.

Douggg said:

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You can right click on the chart and choose view image to get a larger view.

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AD 38 doesn't work. Pilate was governor of Judea from AD 26 to AD 36 so the crucifixion had to be sometime between those two dates. Back to the drawing board Doug.

Douggg said:

The word "gap" does not appear in Daniel 9.

The end time prophecies in the bible indicates that there has to be a gap. .

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This reply is not to the 'bully' poster here, but to all who look for the truth.

There IS a gap between the 69th 'week' and the 70th, of Daniel 9:25-27.
Jesus was Crucified at the end of the 69th, at 483 years after it all started. [I see no point in arguing about when the decree was promulgated]
There is no historical documentation that what is described in verse 27, has happened yet.
There was nothing like it in the first century, only the conquest and destruction of Jerusalem by the Romans, as Jesus said would happen. Matthew 24:2
We HAVE had the gap; of the nearly 2000 years of the Church age, now we await dramatic events, that will lead up to the glorious Return of Jesus. He came first as a suffering servant, next time it will be as a conquering King!
If anyone denies the plain narrative of Revelation and of all the Prophets, then they are simply not Bible believers.

Douggg said:

The gap is on my chart in post 1.
The Olivet discourse of the near term, long term, end times future of Israel, the Jews, is on my Olivet discourse chart.
The 7 year 70th is on my chart for that, which includes the scripture the scripture annotations for each event on the critical path.

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I see that you have failed to provide a verse as I asked to justify your position on adding your imaginary gap. Sorry, you remain refuted!

You have presented no charts of any kind of your own. To prove your pov on anything.

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I do not have to. I only quoted Scripture to refute your chart and position. Remember you started this thread that is all about YOUR chart. Check your post title in case you don't remember.

Dave L said:

Wow, a gap exists because it doesn't say there isn't one? Yikes Dougggg

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The 2000 year gap IS prophesied by Jesus in Luke 13:32....He will work for two 'days', then achieve His goal.
As Jesus is in heaven now, for Him 2 days will be 2000 years on earth. Confirmed by Hosea 6:2

keras said:

There IS a gap between the 69th 'week' and the 70th, of Daniel 9:25-27.

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Based on what Scripture allows you to add gap? God did not say that. You did. That was your speculation.

Jesus was Crucified at the end of the 69th, at 483 years after it all started. There is no historical documentation that what is described in verse 27, has happened yet.

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Historical documentation? Can't you actually read Scripture? Not a history book wrote by Josephus. Jesus Christ, the prince, who has confirmed or make strength a covenant (testament) with many at the death with his blood. This is how Messiah the Prince has finished the transgression, and to make an end of sins for His people. Remember what Daniel 9:24 is about? This is how the final week started with the confirmation of the covenant (testament) that Prince had to die in order to make it a force for His people! Didn't you read the Scripture?

Hebrews 9:14-17 KJV
[14] How much more shall the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself without spot to God, purge your conscience from dead works to serve the living God?
[15] And for this cause he is the mediator of the new testament, that by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions that were under the first testament, they which are called might receive the promise of eternal inheritance.
[16] For where a testament is, there must also of necessity be the death of the testator.
[17] For a testament is of force after men are dead: otherwise it is of no strength at all while the testator liveth.

Messiah the Prince is Jesus Christ. And the people of the prince who destroyed the temple of the Body are the Jews. And it is the same "He" who have confirmed a covenant with His People. Nothing is said about Titus or the so-called antichrist. Hebrews 9 pointed to Christ as Messiah the Prince who made a covenant a force with his death! So there is no Gap between 69th week and 70th week. Selah!

There was nothing like it in the first century, only the conquest and destruction of Jerusalem by the Romans, as Jesus said would happen. Matthew 24:2

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As I already explained. This has NOTHING to do with physical buildings and Romans! The stones of the buildings or temple signify the bulders of his congregation! And Christ talked about the fall of Old Testament Congregation when he went to the Cross. The rest of Matthew 24 points to the New Testament Congregation prior to Christ's coming.

We HAVE had the gap; of the nearly 2000 years of the Church age, now we await dramatic events, that will lead up to the glorious Return of Jesus. He came first as a suffering servant, next time it will be as a conquering King!

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Speculations. No Scripture support.

If anyone denies the plain narrative of Revelation and of all the Prophets, then they are simply not Bible believers.

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LOL. "plain" you said? Says one without having a spiritual discernment.

Douggg said:

Per the title of my other thread - I want to see timeline charts.

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And? We are talking here, right here on this thread, and I am not obligated to provide a chart anywhere. Your chart is incorrect is all I testify with Scripture provided above here. No chart of mine is needed.