How do we prove we're not racist

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it's interesting that the article about how some Trump supporters are not happy about being called racists begins with an example of Trump being a racist and his supporters at a North Carolina rally being racists.
What did Trump do that was racist at the North Carolina rally?
"the president suggested that four progressive congresswomen of color “go back” to the “totally broken and crime infested places from which they came,” prompting the crowd at his July 17 rally in Greenville, North Carolina, to chant, “Send her back!” Trump—though he later disavowed the chant—did nothing to stop it."
He said they should go back to where they came from, fix it then show us how they did it. That’s different. If my home is run down, yet I am telling you how to run your house, for you to tell me to fix my house before telling you how to fix yours is not racist; regardless of what color you or I are.
Trump's assertion that the 4 congress women were from “totally broken and crime infested places" was based only on the skin color of the congresswomen.
No, it was based on the fact that they were his political enemies.
 
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To pre-emptively take that away from them, I try to make it clear that I care about at least one relevant issue that a white supremacist would not care about, and I do listen to the context of the situation so that I'm not giving a fake response. If they respond reasonably, we can have a conversation. If they get triggered by my not being on the left enough, then I am not concerned with impressing them. I consider such people to be too unreasonable to be convinced.
I expect that those on the left would say exactly the same thing about you
 
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#1 Claims the existence of “white privilege” without acknowledging the existence of black, brown, or the countless other privileges.

White privilege refers to the institutional societal privilege that benefits white people over non-white people.

can you give us some examples of society wide black privileged?

It doesn’t matter whether you are black, white, brown, yellow, tall, short, male female, christian, muslim, atheist; no matter what it is about you that makes you unique, there will always be situations where it works to your advantage (privilege) and situations where it will work to your disadvantage (racism, sexism, etc) IMO the problem is when people will assume the other guy has all the privileges without recognizing their own, and they assume all the discrimination/disadvantages is directed at them, without recognizing the discrimination and disadvantages directed at the other guy.
how does our society discriminate against you?


#2 Says white people should listen to black/brown people rant about white privilege without offering their own rant of black/brown privileges because when it comes to privileges whites don’t know how black and brown people have to deal with racism. But it doesn’t acknowledge how black and brown people are unable to understand what whites have to deal with concerning racism.
what exactly do you have to deal with?

#3 Asks white people to try to understand black/brown viewpoints before having their viewpoint understood. It is as if the white viewpoint is less important than black/brown person’s viewpoints.
so white people should go first because....?

#4 Assumes black/brown people are in a position to teach whites about racism, but doesn’t acknowledge whites can teach black and brown people about racism as well
teach them what?

#6 Again implies white people can become more enlightened by putting black and brown viewpoints above their own.
bull

#7 Implies white people don’t know what racism feels like
what does it feel like?

#8 Implies white people have power and privilege black and brown people do not have, and that they have a responsibility to ensure black and brown people aren’t impacted by oppression
whites do have institutionalized privileges that most never recognize

and everyone has the responsibility to ensure others aren't impacted by oppression

#10 Tells white people to give up their privileges but does not tell black and brown people to give up theirs.
yeah those mystery"black" privileges again
 
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What did Trump do that was racist at the North Carolina rally?
you realize that Trumps racist statements happened in Washington prior to the North Carolina rally don't you?
He said they should go back to where they came from, fix it then show us how they did it. That’s different.
no he said: ""Why don't they go back and help fix the totally broken and crime infested places from which they came. Then come back and show us how it is done. These places need your help badly, you can't leave fast enough."

If my home is run down, yet I am telling you how to run your house, for you to tell me to fix my house before telling you how to fix yours is not racist; regardless of what color you or I are.
it's racist if you assume that because the congresswomen are not white they come from run down and crime infested districts.

No, it was based on the fact that they were his political enemies.
of course he thinks they are his enemies, they aren't white.
 
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can you give us some examples of society wide black privileged?

There are some, for example, black people are much more likely to become professional basketball players than white people. But things like this are minor compared to the other way around.
 
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White privilege refers to the institutional societal privilege that benefits white people over non-white people.

can you give us some examples of society wide black privileged?
Can you imagine had a white person did what Jussie Smollett had done? What do you suppose the society reaction had been had a white actor known to hate Obama faked such an attack shortly after Obama became president, claimed it was 2 black guys who said "this is Obama country now boy!" then after the police investigates, comes to find out it was actually 2 white guys he hired to pretend to attack him? Do you think the reaction would have been the same? Do you think days later this white actor’s producer would have went public saying they support this white actor and he is not leaving the show? No! That white actor would have been accused of racism, trying to start a race war, and he would have been vilified for life.

Rosanne Barr lost her #1 show over a joke, the CEO of Papa John’s pizza lost his position by referencing in a private conversation how someone else used the N-word on a regular basis, but instead of saying “N-word” he used the actual word. Yet actor Jesse Williams goes on a 15 minute racist rant at the BET awards and gets a standing ovation, and his acting career remained intact. Do you not see this stuff going on around you?
how does our society discriminate against you?
There are specific individuals within our society that do the discriminating.
what exactly do you have to deal with?
Me, you, and everybody else has to deal with individual racist and bigots that come in all races, colors, and ethnicities.
so white people should go first because....?
It shouldn’t matter who goes first, both viewpoints should be respected, and understood equally.
teach them what?
Are you under the impression black and brown people are the only people who experience racism?
whites do have institutionalized privileges that most never recognize
Which institutions are you speaking of that give only whites privileges but not anybody else?
 
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you realize that Trumps racist statements happened in Washington prior to the North Carolina rally don't you?
Again; what did he say that was racist?
no he said: ""Why don't they go back and help fix the totally broken and crime infested places from which they came. Then come back and show us how it is done. These places need your help badly, you can't leave fast enough."
If one of his countless white political enemies had spent years as a politician over a crime infested city and came at him the way these black and brown enemies came at him, do you really think he would have neglected to point this out to them? C’mon! you know better than that! Trump insults all of his enemies; it would be racist had he given his black and brown enemies a pass!
it's racist if you assume that because the congresswomen are not white they come from run down and crime infested districts.
He didn’t make that assumption; he had a pretty good idea of where they came from
of course he thinks they are his enemies, they aren't white.
Oh like Trump doesn’t have any white enemies? You’ve never heard him tweet or say anything bad or disrespectful against a white person? Are you kidding me???
 
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How do we prove we're not racist?



What a question...lol. Stay in your house, read the bible, listen and watch spirit filled Christian sermons through your internet, stop watching the news, get off facebook like rubbish, clear your mind of all worldliness and seek Christ will all your heart.

Then you'll 'prove' you aren't a racist.

God Bless
 
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There are some, for example, black people are much more likely to become professional basketball players than white people. But things like this are minor compared to the other way around.
that isn't a privilege
 
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Can you imagine had a white person did what Jussie Smollett had done? What do you suppose the society reaction had been had a white actor known to hate Obama faked such an attack shortly after Obama became president, claimed it was 2 black guys who said "this is Obama country now boy!" then after the police investigates, comes to find out it was actually 2 white guys he hired to pretend to attack him? Do you think the reaction would have been the same? Do you think days later this white actor’s producer would have went public saying they support this white actor and he is not leaving the show? No! That white actor would have been accused of racism, trying to start a race war, and he would have been vilified for life.

Rosanne Barr lost her #1 show over a joke, the CEO of Papa John’s pizza lost his position by referencing in a private conversation how someone else used the N-word on a regular basis, but instead of saying “N-word” he used the actual word. Yet actor Jesse Williams goes on a 15 minute racist rant at the BET awards and gets a standing ovation, and his acting career remained intact. Do you not see this stuff going on around you?
still waiting for examples of black privileged.

There are specific individuals within our society that do the discriminating.
and then there is institutionalized racism

But i asked how does society as a whole discriminate against you?


Me, you, and everybody else has to deal with individual racist and bigots that come in all races, colors, and ethnicities.
again i asked what discrimination exactly do you have to deal with

It shouldn’t matter who goes first, both viewpoints should be respected, and understood equally.
If it shouldn't matter why did you take such offense at the suggestion that black people go first?

Are you under the impression black and brown people are the only people who experience racism?
What racism do you routinely deal with?

Which institutions are you speaking of that give only whites privileges but not anybody else?
institutionalized not institutions
 
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but you've been deciding who is and who isn't. So what is your criteria?

My criteria is that if one treats another person poorly based solely upon the fact that other person is not of one's own race then one is a racist. Am I the only person here that can say what criteria they use ? If so why am I one of only a few that will not accuse people of racism? If you can't tell me what makes someone a racist how can you tell me that someone is a racist?
 
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But i asked how does society as a whole discriminate against you?

That is a very good question that everyone should be asking oneself. Some people refuse to ask it or rationalize an answer based upon some individual actions rather than actual societal discrimination.
 
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Again; what did he say that was racist?
you could read that in the link but you asked "What did Trump do that was racist at the North Carolina rally?" which strongly indicated you didn't read the link at all

If one of his countless white political enemies had spent years as a politician over a crime infested city and came at him the way these black and brown enemies came at him, do you really think he would have neglected to point this out to them? C’mon! you know better than that! Trump insults all of his enemies; it would be racist had he given his black and brown enemies a pass!

He didn’t make that assumption; he had a pretty good idea of where they came from

If he did then he would have known that Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez represents New York's 14th congressional district and he woudl have known that the 14th district has a significantly lower crime rate than the 12th congressional district where Trump lives.
 
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My criteria is that if one treats another person poorly based solely upon the fact that other person is not of one's own race then one is a racist.
and why would you assume that anyone else has a vastly different definition?
 
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and why would you assume that anyone else has a vastly different definition?
Have you not been reading this thread or something or do you just not understand how some people unjustly accused others of being racist for very dumb reasons?
 
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and why would you assume that anyone else has a vastly different definition?

I don't assume that. If others agree with that then why won't they just say that. If they don't then why won't they say what criteria they do use? I answered the question . Where is your answer? Did I miss it?
 
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