Jesus is the Archangel Michael??

Daniel Marsh said:

again only a figure of speech

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Daniel Marsh said:

Someone else gave the knock out combo that,

Colossians 1:15-18 Easy-to-Read Version (ERV)
The Son of God Is the Same as God
15 No one can see God,
but the Son is exactly like God.
He rules over everything that has been made.
16 Through his power all things were made:
things in heaven and on earth, seen and not seen—
all spiritual rulers, lords, powers, and authorities.
Everything was made through him and for him.

17 The Son was there before anything was made.
And all things continue because of him.
18 He is the head of the body, which is the church.
He is the beginning of everything else.
And he is the first among all who will be raised from death.
So in everything he is most important.

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Dkh587 said:

According to Peter, Christ is a prince

Acts of the Apostles 3:15


Acts of the Apostles 5:31


and his name is the Prince of Peace

Isaiah 9:6


Daniel called him Messiah the Prince

Daniel 9:25

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mmksparbud said:

Enoch was translated, so why Elijah. Moses was resurrected and so were many when Jesus died.
Mat 27:50 Jesus, when he had cried again with a loud voice, yielded up the ghost.
Mat 27:51 And, behold, the veil of the temple was rent in twain from the top to the bottom; and the earth did quake, and the rocks rent;
Mat 27:52 And the graves were opened; and many bodies of the saints which slept arose,
Mat 27:53 And came out of the graves after his resurrection, and went into the holy city, and appeared unto many.

You are free to believe as you wish.

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mmksparbud said:

Enoch was translated, so why Elijah. Moses was resurrected and so were many when Jesus died.
Mat 27:50 Jesus, when he had cried again with a loud voice, yielded up the ghost.
Mat 27:51 And, behold, the veil of the temple was rent in twain from the top to the bottom; and the earth did quake, and the rocks rent;
Mat 27:52 And the graves were opened; and many bodies of the saints which slept arose,
Mat 27:53 And came out of the graves after his resurrection, and went into the holy city, and appeared unto many.

You are free to believe as you wish.

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Major1 said:

I could have sworn that you said you would NOT be posting any more to me.

Did you miss me or do you have a desire to learn more about the Bible.

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Major1 said:

Thanks...I will continue to believe the Bible.

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mmksparbud said:

Not about Michael. This was a different subject. But you are difficult to educate!! I could, if you prefer, just put you ignore.

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mmksparbud said:

If you did, you wouldn't say the things you do!!

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mmksparbud said:

You need to quite posting things that you have no documentation on. You think you know what the early SDA thought---you do not know! No---they never believed that Jesus was created. When you google that---you also get this:

Both the Arian and semi-Arian positions, however, were decisively refuted by Ellen White in Desire of Ages. (cf pp. 530, 785; see also E. G. White Comments, SDA Bible Commentary, 5:1113.)
Just post the source of what you think you know! Every time I ask that---nobody can post any documentastion for what they think they know!

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Dkh587 said:

According to Peter, Christ is a prince

Acts of the Apostles 3:15


Acts of the Apostles 5:31


and his name is the Prince of Peace

Isaiah 9:6


Daniel called him Messiah the Prince

Daniel 9:25

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mmksparbud said:

You have your opinion, I have mine. Michael was just a name that Jesus used pre-incarnation. He is not a created angel, He is the Creator of angels and as such is therefore their leader, their Captain, the angel of the Lord, the archangel---so what? Why get all upset over the names of Jesus----as has been point4ed out---He has many names, this is just another. You do not want that name to be His name---then do not use it. I never use it, I just see that it is Him, also. If you do not wish to believe that---then don't. I see no reason to go on and on and on and on about it!!

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Dale said:

The founder of the Seventh Day Adventists, prophetess Ellen White, said that Jesus Christ is one and the same with the Archangel Michael mentioned in the Bible. This is a belief that the SDA have in common with the Jehovah's Witnesses. Both sects came out of the Millerite movement in 19th century America.

How did Ellen White come to the conclusion that Jesus is the Archangel Michael? Although she claims to be a prophet, she mentions no visions on this subject.

In her five volume work Conflict of the Ages, "Michael" only occurs four times. One of those is in the Notes at the end and adds nothing new. The other three mentions are quotes from the Book of Daniel, one a straight quote. The other two add a tidbit of commentary.

<< The words of the angel, “I am Gabriel, that stand in the presence of God,” show that he holds a position of high honor in the heavenly courts. When he came with a message to Daniel, he said, “There is none that holdeth with me in these things, but Michael [Christ] your Prince.” Dan. 10:21. >>

This is from Ellen White, The Desire of Ages, Chapter 10: The Voice in the Wilderness
(Kindle Locatons 20960-20962)

In case you missed it, that's "but Michael [Christ] your Prince." EW inserts a one word commentary into a quote from Daniel, inserting "[Christ]" after "Michael." There isn't a word of justification for this extraordinary identification.

<< For three weeks Gabriel wrestled with the powers of darkness, seeking to counteract the influences at work on the mind of Cyrus; and before the contest closed, Christ Himself came to Gabriel's aid. “The prince of the kingdom of Persia withstood me one and twenty days,” Gabriel declares; “but, lo, Michael, one of the chief princes, came to help me; and I remained there with the kings of Persia.” Daniel 10:13. >>

--Ellen White, Prophets and Kings, Chapter 46: "The Prophets of God Helping Them"
(Kindle Locations 18185-18188)

Here Ellen White gives only six words of raw assertion preceding a quote from Daniel where Michael helps defeat the King of Persia.

I have checked other books by Ellen White and can find no mention of the Archangel Michael. In her defining work Conflict of the Ages, there are only seven words of commentary on Michael aside from quoting Daniel. We have only "[Christ]" inserted after "Michael" and "Christ Himself came to Gabriel's aid." This hardly explains why White adopts a position which is not spelled out in the Bible and which is completely at odds with all scholarship outside the Jehovah's Witnesses and those sects which follow Ellen White as a prophet.

Here is a question for Seventh Day Adventists: Am I missing something? Where did Ellen White explain or defend her position that Jesus is one and the same with the Archangel Michael? It looks like she picked up the idea from the Millerite movement and later simply assumed it to be true.

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mmksparbud said:

You keep trying to lump JW's with SDA---they do not believe that Jesus is God---we do, they do not believe that Jesus was everlasting from eternity, always existsed as God with the Father---we do---they do not believe that Jesus is the creator of all things---we do. What is yopur problem with that? Why can you not tell the difference? It is being very deceptive, misleading --- in a word---lying. Not exactly Christian, is it?

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Daniel Marsh said:

are you saying, there was a time that the Son of God did not exist?

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YeshuaFan said:

Much of the earliest Sda leadership, including her husband, held to Arian Theology in regards to Jesus being Michael!

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YeshuaFan said:

I am saying that EW and many of the senor leadership within the Sda held to Him being Michael!
I hold to Jesus as being fully God and Fully man!

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Daniel Marsh said:

are you saying, there was a time that the Son of God did not exist?

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BobRyan said:

Interesting but it totally misses the mark if you are trying to oppose the claim among many SDAs that infinite God the Son is not only called Jesus Christ - but also "The Angel of the LORD" and also "Michael" in the bible.

Did you forget what you are trying to oppose??

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Daniel Marsh said:

One or two sources, I used shows that there is more than one archangel.

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