Jesus is the Archangel Michael??

[YeshuaFan]

Nice quote... !!

I have quotes too..

The world was made by him, “and without him was not anything made that was made.” If Christ made all things, he existed before all things. The words spoken in regard to this are so decisive that no one need be left in doubt. Christ was God essentially, and in the highest sense. He was with God from all eternity, God over all, blessed forevermore.... {7ABC 438.1}


The King of the universe summoned the heavenly hosts before Him, that in their presence He might set forth the true position of His Son, and show the relation He sustained to all created beings. The Son of God shared the Father’s throne, and the glory of the eternal, self-existent One encircled both.—Patriarchs and Prophets, 36. {7ABC 438.3}




rest of the quote has a clarification affirming that Jesus is God the Son - second person of the Godhead

In contemplating the incarnation of Christ in humanity, we stand baffled before an unfathomable mystery, that the human mind cannot comprehend. The more we reflect upon it, the more amazing does it appear. How wide is the contrast between the divinity of Christ and the helpless infant in Bethlehem’s manger! How can we span the distance between the mighty God and a helpless child? And yet the Creator of worlds, He in whom was the fullness of the Godhead bodily, was manifest in the helpless babe in the manger. Far higher than any of the angels, equal with the Father in dignity and glory, and yet wearing the garb of humanity! Divinity and humanity were mysteriously combined, and man and God became one. It is in this union that we find the hope of our fallen race. Looking upon Christ in humanity, we look upon God, and see in Him the brightness of His glory, the express image of His person.—The Signs of the Times, July 30, 1896. {7ABC 443.4}


The divine mind and hand have preserved through the ages the record of creation in its purity. It is the word of God alone that gives to us an authentic account of the creation of our world. This word is to be the chief study in our schools. In it we may learn what our redemption has cost Him who from the beginning was equal with the Father, and who sacrificed His life that a people might stand before Him redeemed from everything earthly, renewed in the image of God. {CT 13.2}

{er her. Jesus took on sinful flesh and sin nature!

 

[mmksparbud]

Angel of the Lord speaks for and acts in the place of Yahweh, is also God!

Yah, I know---what strikes me as funny is that people generally accept angel of the Lord to mean Jesus, but when it comes to archangel, they get their shorts all in a knot because of the word angel and will shout--archangel can't be Jesus---it's an angel!! It is no different than Captain of the host---arch means head oif, ruler,ofs0 the connotation is the same. You guys are just not consistent. Go right ahead and believe what you want.

She seemed to see Jesus same way JW do!

You obviously also have a hard time comprehending English---what part of post #317 did you not understand? You are both misquoting, misrepresenting---it is devious, underhanded and totally unchristian. Are you not aware that slander and lying are wrong, or do you just not care?

Rev_22:15 For without are dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and idolaters, and whosoever loveth and maketh a lie.

You guys seem to love doing it. It's your choice though.

 

[Major1]

That would be good quote "Archangel WITH Jesus" or "With Him"...let's find it.



1 Thess 4
15 For this we say to you by the word of the Lord, that we who are alive and remain until the coming of the Lord, will not precede those who have fallen asleep. 16 For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel and with the trumpet of God, and the dead in Christ will rise first.

John 5
26 For just as the Father has life in Himself, even so He gave to the Son also to have life in Himself; 27 and He gave Him authority to execute judgment, because He is the Son of Man. 28 Do not marvel at this; for an hour is coming, in which all who are in the tombs will hear His voice, 29 and will come forth; those who did the good deeds to a resurrection of life, those who committed the evil deeds to a resurrection of judgment.

I realize Bob that you believe your SDA theology is correct and I congratulate you on your faithfulness.

I know that you accept the SDA teachings above and beyond the actual Word of God.
​

However, allow me to say to you that 1 Thessalonians 4 is the explanation of the Rapture. The Scriptures DO NOT SAY what YOU are believing that they say.
They do not tell us that ANGELS come with Christ at the Rapture.

That is exactly the same way that you "CAPTILIAZED" the letter "H" when you post "Michael and His angels".

1 Thessalonians 4:16-18 says "With the VOICE OF THE ARCHANGLE" AND FROM THAT YOU SAY ……….."Archangel WITH Jesus" or "With Him".

The Rapture has NOTHING to do with ANGELS no matter what their name may be. It is all about the Lord Jesus Christ coming for His children and removing them before the "Day of Wrath".

THERE ARE NO ANGELS INVOLVED!!!!!!!!

It is HIS voice, Christs voice that will be like unto the voice of an archangel. It is the quality and majesty and authority of His voice.

 

[Major1]

She seemed to see Jesus same way JW do!

May I say to all of you that there is not a lot of differences between JW's and SDA theology.

Both originate from the Advent Movement of the 1800s that was based on the time prophecies of Miller. The teachings originate from many of the same sources and so align closely in most areas.

 

[BobRyan]

you disproved your own statement - Michael and HIS angels,Rev 12, "Let all the angles of God worship HIM" Heb 1 -- HE is the one with HIS angels that is at war "with the devil and HIS angels"

It is Jesus in Rev 12 and 2Thess 1 with "HIS angels" for HE is "THE Angel of the LORD" Michael THE Archangel, infinite God, the second person of the Godhead.

Rev. 12:7......
"Then war broke out in heaven. Michael and his angels fought against the dragon, and the dragon and his angels fought back."

The very same thing applies to 2 Thess 1:6-7.

"For after all it is only just for God to repay with affliction those who afflict you, 7 and to give relief to you who are afflicted and to us as well when the Lord Jesus will be revealed from heaven with His mighty angels in flaming fire,"

Turns out - this is not one of our 28 fundamental beliefs -- and never has been. ​

I realize Bob that you believe your SDA theology is correct and I congratulate you on your faithfulness.

A. Thanks!
B. as we see in my post above "Turns out - this is not one of our 28 fundamental beliefs -- and never has been. "

However, allow me to say to you that 1 Thessalonians 4 is the explanation of the Rapture. The Scriptures DO NOT SAY what YOU are believing that they say.

The mere quote of the text is sufficient cause to give rise to your strong objection to it.

They do not tell us that ANGELS come with Christ at the Rapture.
.

1. The word rapture does not appear at all in 1 Thess, or in 2 Thess... I think we all saw that.

2 Thess 1
6 For after all it is only just for God to repay with affliction those who afflict you, 7 and to give relief to you who are afflicted and to us as well when the Lord Jesus will be revealed from heaven with His mighty angels in flaming fire,

1 Thess 4
16 For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel and with the trumpet of God, and the dead in Christ will rise first.

John 5
. 26 For just as the Father has life in Himself, even so He gave to the Son also to have life in Himself; 27 and He gave Him authority to execute judgment, because He is the Son of Man. 28 Do not marvel at this; for an hour is coming, in which all who are in the tombs will hear His voice,

 

[BobRyan]

"There is no one who can explain the mystery of the incarnation of Christ. Yet we know that He came to this earth and lived as a man among men.

Nice quote... !!

I have quotes too..

The world was made by him, “and without him was not anything made that was made.” If Christ made all things, he existed before all things. The words spoken in regard to this are so decisive that no one need be left in doubt. Christ was God essentially, and in the highest sense. He was with God from all eternity, God over all, blessed forevermore.... {7ABC 438.1}


The King of the universe summoned the heavenly hosts before Him, that in their presence He might set forth the true position of His Son, and show the relation He sustained to all created beings. The Son of God shared the Father’s throne, and the glory of the eternal, self-existent One encircled both.—Patriarchs and Prophets, 36. {7ABC 438.3}

Rest of the quote has a contradiction. God Bless, Daniel Marsh

rest of the quote has a clarification affirming that Jesus is God the Son - second person of the Godhead

In contemplating the incarnation of Christ in humanity, we stand baffled before an unfathomable mystery, that the human mind cannot comprehend. The more we reflect upon it, the more amazing does it appear. How wide is the contrast between the divinity of Christ and the helpless infant in Bethlehem’s manger! How can we span the distance between the mighty God and a helpless child? And yet the Creator of worlds, He in whom was the fullness of the Godhead bodily, was manifest in the helpless babe in the manger. Far higher than any of the angels, equal with the Father in dignity and glory, and yet wearing the garb of humanity! Divinity and humanity were mysteriously combined, and man and God became one. It is in this union that we find the hope of our fallen race. Looking upon Christ in humanity, we look upon God, and see in Him the brightness of His glory, the express image of His person.—The Signs of the Times, July 30, 1896. {7ABC 443.4}


The divine mind and hand have preserved through the ages the record of creation in its purity. It is the word of God alone that gives to us an authentic account of the creation of our world. This word is to be the chief study in our schools. In it we may learn what our redemption has cost Him who from the beginning was equal with the Father, and who sacrificed His life that a people might stand before Him redeemed from everything earthly, renewed in the image of God. {CT 13.2}

{er her. Jesus took on sinful flesh and sin nature!

pivots to different topic?

Rom 8
. 3 For what the Law could not do, weak as it was through the flesh, God did: sending His own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh and as an offering for sin, He condemned sin in the flesh, 4 so that the requirement of the Law might be fulfilled in us, who do not walk according to the flesh but according to the Spirit.



"we must not think that the liability of Christ to Satan's temptations degraded His humanity
and that He possessed the same sinful, corrupt propensities as man.
16MR182.2


Christ "vanguished satan in the same nature (of Adam) over which in Eden Satan obtained
the victory" Youth's Instructor April 25, 1901.

In taking upon himself man's nature in it's fallen condition Christ did not in the
least participate in its sin.... We should have no misgivivings in regard to the
perfect sinlessness of the human nature of Christ 5BC 1131 (7a BC 447)

"as the sinless one his nature recoiled from sin" 2T202


Christ is our "brother in our infirmities but not in possessing like passions" 2T202
Christ was sinless "not possessing the passions of our human, fallen
nature" 2T509

 

[mmksparbud]

I realize Bob that you believe your SDA theology is correct and I congratulate you on your faithfulness.

I know that you accept the SDA teachings above and beyond the actual Word of God.
​

However, allow me to say to you that 1 Thessalonians 4 is the explanation of the Rapture. The Scriptures DO NOT SAY what YOU are believing that they say.
They do not tell us that ANGELS come with Christ at the Rapture.

That is exactly the same way that you "CAPTILIAZED" the letter "H" when you post "Michael and His angels".

1 Thessalonians 4:16-18 says "With the VOICE OF THE ARCHANGLE" AND FROM THAT YOU SAY ……….."Archangel WITH Jesus" or "With Him".

The Rapture has NOTHING to do with ANGELS no matter what their name may be. It is all about the Lord Jesus Christ coming for His children and removing them before the "Day of Wrath".

THERE ARE NO ANGELS INVOLVED!!!!!!!!

It is HIS voice, Christs voice that will be like unto the voice of an archangel. It is the quality and majesty and authority of His voice.

There is no mention of a rapture in the bible!! This is the true rapture according to the bible---not according to fiction writers and Hollywood:

Mat_25:31 When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory:

1Th 4:15 For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep.
1Th 4:16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:
1Th 4:17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

There is no secret rapture, no quietly sneaking in through a back door and whiskjing the saints off with no one noticing!! It is quite loud, totally noticeable

Rev_1:7 Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see him, and they also which pierced him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him. Even so, Amen.

2Pe_3:10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.
2Pe_3:12 Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?

Yah---it's quite noticible!! You didn't even know He comes with all His asngels?!!! Sad.

 

[YeshuaFan]

Yah, I know---what strikes me as funny is that people generally accept angel of the Lord to mean Jesus, but when it comes to archangel, they get their shorts all in a knot because of the word angel and will shout--archangel can't be Jesus---it's an angel!! It is no different than Captain of the host---arch means head oif, ruler,ofs0 the connotation is the same. You guys are just not consistent. Go right ahead and believe what you want.




You obviously also have a hard time comprehending English---what part of post #317 did you not understand? You are both misquoting, misrepresenting---it is devious, underhanded and totally unchristian. Are you not aware that slander and lying are wrong, or do you just not care?

Rev_22:15 For without are dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and idolaters, and whosoever loveth and maketh a lie.

You guys seem to love doing it. It's your choice though.

EW did indeed say Jesus was Not almighty God, so she was teaching heresy there!

 

[YeshuaFan]

Both claimed infallibility for the teachings of their founders!

 

[YeshuaFan]

A. Thanks!
B. as we see in my post above "Turns out - this is not one of our 28 fundamental beliefs -- and never has been. "



The mere quote of the text is sufficient cause to give rise to your strong objection to it.



1. The word rapture does not appear at all in 1 Thess, or in 2 Thess... I think we all saw that.

2 Thess 1
6 For after all it is only just for God to repay with affliction those who afflict you, 7 and to give relief to you who are afflicted and to us as well when the Lord Jesus will be revealed from heaven with His mighty angels in flaming fire,

1 Thess 4
16 For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel and with the trumpet of God, and the dead in Christ will rise first.

John 5
. 26 For just as the Father has life in Himself, even so He gave to the Son also to have life in Himself; 27 and He gave Him authority to execute judgment, because He is the Son of Man. 28 Do not marvel at this; for an hour is coming, in which all who are in the tombs will hear His voice,

Jesus will be returning with Michael archangel!

 

[YeshuaFan]

Nice quote... !!

I have quotes too..

The world was made by him, “and without him was not anything made that was made.” If Christ made all things, he existed before all things. The words spoken in regard to this are so decisive that no one need be left in doubt. Christ was God essentially, and in the highest sense. He was with God from all eternity, God over all, blessed forevermore.... {7ABC 438.1}


The King of the universe summoned the heavenly hosts before Him, that in their presence He might set forth the true position of His Son, and show the relation He sustained to all created beings. The Son of God shared the Father’s throne, and the glory of the eternal, self-existent One encircled both.—Patriarchs and Prophets, 36. {7ABC 438.3}




rest of the quote has a clarification affirming that Jesus is God the Son - second person of the Godhead

In contemplating the incarnation of Christ in humanity, we stand baffled before an unfathomable mystery, that the human mind cannot comprehend. The more we reflect upon it, the more amazing does it appear. How wide is the contrast between the divinity of Christ and the helpless infant in Bethlehem’s manger! How can we span the distance between the mighty God and a helpless child? And yet the Creator of worlds, He in whom was the fullness of the Godhead bodily, was manifest in the helpless babe in the manger. Far higher than any of the angels, equal with the Father in dignity and glory, and yet wearing the garb of humanity! Divinity and humanity were mysteriously combined, and man and God became one. It is in this union that we find the hope of our fallen race. Looking upon Christ in humanity, we look upon God, and see in Him the brightness of His glory, the express image of His person.—The Signs of the Times, July 30, 1896. {7ABC 443.4}


The divine mind and hand have preserved through the ages the record of creation in its purity. It is the word of God alone that gives to us an authentic account of the creation of our world. This word is to be the chief study in our schools. In it we may learn what our redemption has cost Him who from the beginning was equal with the Father, and who sacrificed His life that a people might stand before Him redeemed from everything earthly, renewed in the image of God. {CT 13.2}



pivots to different topic?

Rom 8
. 3 For what the Law could not do, weak as it was through the flesh, God did: sending His own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh and as an offering for sin, He condemned sin in the flesh, 4 so that the requirement of the Law might be fulfilled in us, who do not walk according to the flesh but according to the Spirit.



"we must not think that the liability of Christ to Satan's temptations degraded His humanity
and that He possessed the same sinful, corrupt propensities as man.
16MR182.2


Christ "vanguished satan in the same nature (of Adam) over which in Eden Satan obtained
the victory" Youth's Instructor April 25, 1901.

In taking upon himself man's nature in it's fallen condition Christ did not in the
least participate in its sin.... We should have no misgivivings in regard to the
perfect sinlessness of the human nature of Christ 5BC 1131 (7a BC 447)

"as the sinless one his nature recoiled from sin" 2T202


Christ is our "brother in our infirmities but not in possessing like passions" 2T202
Christ was sinless "not possessing the passions of our human, fallen
nature" 2T509

So you would agree with her that Jesus assumed sinful flesh when incarnated?

 

[mmksparbud]

EW did indeed say Jesus was Not almighty God, so she was teaching heresy there!

Again---Can't you read??? I guess all I can do for you is pray, for you have no grasp of the English language!

 

[BobRyan]

"we must not think that the liability of Christ to Satan's temptations degraded His humanity
and that He possessed the same sinful, corrupt propensities as man.
16MR182.2


Christ "vanguished satan in the same nature (of Adam) over which in Eden Satan obtained
the victory" Youth's Instructor April 25, 1901.

In taking upon himself man's nature in it's fallen condition Christ did not in the
least participate in its sin.... We should have no misgivivings in regard to the
perfect sinlessness of the human nature of Christ 5BC 1131 (7a BC 447)

"as the sinless one his nature recoiled from sin" 2T202

Christ is our "brother in our infirmities but not in possessing like passions" 2T202
Christ was sinless "not possessing the passions of our human, fallen
nature" 2T509

So you would agree with her that Jesus assumed sinful flesh when incarnated?

Do you define "sinful flesh" as ...

"we must not think that the liability of Christ to Satan's temptations degraded His humanity
and that He possessed the same sinful, corrupt propensities as man.
16MR182.2


Christ "vanguished satan in the same nature (of Adam) over which in Eden Satan obtained
the victory" Youth's Instructor April 25, 1901.

In taking upon himself man's nature in it's fallen condition Christ did not in the
least participate in its sin.... We should have no misgivivings in regard to the
perfect sinlessness of the human nature of Christ 5BC 1131 (7a BC 447)

"as the sinless one his nature recoiled from sin" 2T202

Christ is our "brother in our infirmities but not in possessing like passions" 2T202
Christ was sinless "not possessing the passions of our human, fallen
nature" 2T509

===============

The modern view of it is that those statements define what we call "sinless nature".

But for Ellen White the weakness of humanity after 4000 years of sin even WITH a sinless nature was "likeness of sinful flesh" -- context of the author is everything when it comes to exegeting the written text.

 

[BobRyan]

EW did indeed say Jesus was Not almighty God, so she was teaching heresy there!

Until you read what she wrote.

The world was made by him, “and without him was not anything made that was made.” If Christ made all things, he existed before all things. The words spoken in regard to this are so decisive that no one need be left in doubt. Christ was God essentially, and in the highest sense. He was with God from all eternity, God over all, blessed forevermore.... {7ABC 438.1}

The King of the universe summoned the heavenly hosts before Him, that in their presence He might set forth the true position of His Son, and show the relation He sustained to all created beings. The Son of God shared the Father’s throne, and the glory of the eternal, self-existent One encircled both.—Patriarchs and Prophets, 36. {7ABC 438.3}

In contemplating the incarnation of Christ in humanity, we stand baffled before an unfathomable mystery, that the human mind cannot comprehend. The more we reflect upon it, the more amazing does it appear. How wide is the contrast between the divinity of Christ and the helpless infant in Bethlehem’s manger! How can we span the distance between the mighty God and a helpless child? And yet the Creator of worlds, He in whom was the fullness of the Godhead bodily, was manifest in the helpless babe in the manger. Far higher than any of the angels, equal with the Father in dignity and glory, and yet wearing the garb of humanity! Divinity and humanity were mysteriously combined, and man and God became one. It is in this union that we find the hope of our fallen race. Looking upon Christ in humanity, we look upon God, and see in Him the brightness of His glory, the express image of His person.—The Signs of the Times, July 30, 1896. {7ABC 443.4}

The divine mind and hand have preserved through the ages the record of creation in its purity. It is the word of God alone that gives to us an authentic account of the creation of our world. This word is to be the chief study in our schools. In it we may learn what our redemption has cost Him who from the beginning was equal with the Father, and who sacrificed His life that a people might stand before Him redeemed from everything earthly, renewed in the image of God. {CT 13.2}

More than one or two people here will agree that Christ on Earth was not "blinding people by the brightness of His presence"... That is a given.

When He spoke to Moses on Sinai - He said that Moses could not see Him "and live" - but on Earth even Judas could "see Christ" .. so He was not walking around in the unveiled "mighty God" form as He was on Sinai... we call it the "incarnation".

 

[Major1]

There is no mention of a rapture in the bible!! This is the true rapture according to the bible---not according to fiction writers and Hollywood:

Mat_25:31 When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory:

1Th 4:15 For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep.
1Th 4:16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:
1Th 4:17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

There is no secret rapture, no quietly sneaking in through a back door and whiskjing the saints off with no one noticing!! It is quite loud, totally noticeable

Rev_1:7 Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see him, and they also which pierced him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him. Even so, Amen.

2Pe_3:10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.
2Pe_3:12 Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?

Yah---it's quite noticible!! You didn't even know He comes with all His asngels?!!! Sad.

Your exegesis is nonexistent my sister. What you are thinks an parroting is SDA theology.
2 Peter 3:10-12 IS AT THE END of the 1000 Year rule of Christ.

Matthew 25:31 is the Judgment of the Nations and it is at the end of the Tribulation so then my comments are still valid.

The Rapture happens at the BEGINNING of the Tribulation and it is ONLY JESUS who comes to remove the church.

 

[YeshuaFan]

Again---Can't you read??? I guess all I can do for you is pray, for you have no grasp of the English language!

Did she not state that very thing?

 

[YeshuaFan]

Do you define "sinful flesh" as ...

"we must not think that the liability of Christ to Satan's temptations degraded His humanity
and that He possessed the same sinful, corrupt propensities as man.
16MR182.2


Christ "vanguished satan in the same nature (of Adam) over which in Eden Satan obtained
the victory" Youth's Instructor April 25, 1901.

In taking upon himself man's nature in it's fallen condition Christ did not in the
least participate in its sin.... We should have no misgivivings in regard to the
perfect sinlessness of the human nature of Christ 5BC 1131 (7a BC 447)

"as the sinless one his nature recoiled from sin" 2T202

Christ is our "brother in our infirmities but not in possessing like passions" 2T202
Christ was sinless "not possessing the passions of our human, fallen
nature" 2T509

===============

The modern view of it is that those statements define what we call "sinless nature".

But for Ellen White the weakness of humanity after 4000 years of sin even WITH a sinless nature was "likeness of sinful flesh" -- context of the author is everything when it comes to exegeting the written text.

was Jesus able to sin by EW?

 

[BobRyan]

"we must not think that the liability of Christ to Satan's temptations degraded His humanity
and that He possessed the same sinful, corrupt propensities as man.
16MR182.2


Christ "vanguished satan in the same nature (of Adam) over which in Eden Satan obtained
the victory" Youth's Instructor April 25, 1901.

In taking upon himself man's nature in it's fallen condition Christ did not in the
least participate in its sin.... We should have no misgivivings in regard to the
perfect sinlessness of the human nature of Christ 5BC 1131 (7a BC 447)

"as the sinless one his nature recoiled from sin" 2T202

Christ is our "brother in our infirmities but not in possessing like passions" 2T202
Christ was sinless "not possessing the passions of our human, fallen
nature" 2T509

So you would agree with her that Jesus assumed sinful flesh when incarnated?

Do you define "sinful flesh" as ...

"we must not think that the liability of Christ to Satan's temptations degraded His humanity
and that He possessed the same sinful, corrupt propensities as man.
16MR182.2


Christ "vanguished satan in the same nature (of Adam) over which in Eden Satan obtained
the victory" Youth's Instructor April 25, 1901.

In taking upon himself man's nature in it's fallen condition Christ did not in the
least participate in its sin.... We should have no misgivivings in regard to the
perfect sinlessness of the human nature of Christ 5BC 1131 (7a BC 447)

"as the sinless one his nature recoiled from sin" 2T202

Christ is our "brother in our infirmities but not in possessing like passions" 2T202
Christ was sinless "not possessing the passions of our human, fallen
nature" 2T509

===============

The modern view of it is that those statements define what we call "sinless nature".

But for Ellen White the weakness of humanity after 4000 years of sin even WITH a sinless nature was "likeness of sinful flesh" -- context of the author is everything when it comes to exegeting the written text.

===============
pivots to --

YeshuaFan said: ↑
was Jesus able to sin by EW?

"Able to sin"?? or "sinless" (without what we call a sinful nature)??

Was he "able" to get hungry?
Was he "able" to get thirsty?
Was he "able" to be exhausted after a long day at work?
Was He "able" to be so exhausted that He could fall sound asleep in the boat in the midst of a storm?


Was He "able" to say in John 5:
19 Therefore Jesus answered and was saying to them, “Truly, truly, I say to you, the Son can do nothing of Himself, unless it is something He sees the Father doing; for whatever the Father does, these things the Son also does in like manner.

That John 5 statement was spoken of Christ's choice to limit himself -- but was not a statement saying that Jesus got hungry because He saw the Father get hungry.

Was Satan "unable" to tempt Jesus in Matt 4??
Or was Jesus victor over the temptation?

 

[mmksparbud]

Your exegesis is nonexistent my sister. What you are thinks an parroting is SDA theology.
2 Peter 3:10-12 IS AT THE END of the 1000 Year rule of Christ.

Matthew 25:31 is the Judgment of the Nations and it is at the end of the Tribulation so then my comments are still valid.

The Rapture happens at the BEGINNING of the Tribulation and it is ONLY JESUS who comes to remove the church.

No---that is what you have been taught---it is not what the bi8ble says. This is at His 2nd coming. After this is the 100 years, After the 100 years is the judgement of the wicked and their demise. This empty, void, burned up and useless earth is where Satan and his angels spend their 1000 years. The New Earth is right after the wicked are destroyed by the fire of God. Jesus returns at the end of the tribulation to take His resurrected and living saints home. This is the Day of the Lord, this is His 2nd coming. The living wicked are destroyed and the rest of the wicked do not live again until after the 1000 years. You will, of course, continue to believe as you have been told.

Rev 20:1 And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand.
Rev 20:2 And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,
Rev 20:3 And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.
Rev 20:4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
Rev 20:5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.


Rev 20:7 And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,
Rev 20:8 And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.
Rev 20:9 And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.


God is very organized, very methodical about what He does. It is 6 days, then a day of rest, 6 years of tilling the soil and then the land has a sabbath rest of one year---it is 6,000 years---then a rest of the planet for a 1000 years. I know you prefer what you have been taught.

Rev 21:1 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.
Rev 21:2 And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.

The city does not get set down until the earth is made new. Satan and his followers had tried to take over the city as it was descending. The fire came down from God. God and Jesus will be with the new earth, but not until it is remade.

Rev 21:3 And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God.

We will all see pretty soon what the sequence is. God has never removed anyone from tribulation but has always lead them through it. He lead them through the flood, in a boat, He did not take the Israelites out of Egypt before sending the 10 plagues, but kept them safe during the 7 last plagues. He will protect us during the last plagues of the tribulation and then He will come for us. As He did the Israelites.

 

[mmksparbud]

Did she not state that very thing?

Answered post #317. And also #326. But I forgot---you don't read anything that might inform you. Sad. Prayers!!