hi, am deconstructing from toxic religion , looking to find some "nonreligious" christians on here

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There is a noticeable increase in aggression in our culture. I don't know if isolation made it worse.

~Bella
Well I know there is an increase in domestic violence. Of course abusers will take full advantage of that. I find a lot the men here trying to lord it over women as if they are their slaves by twisting Scripture disturbing as well. But it gets the clicks.
 
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thanks.... i just thought i was on right path with God by believing in saved by faith in grace alone, that made me happy, i found i obeyed God because i wanted to and that was good but then i realised i had to do some serious study of my faith an dwhat bible says and whn i do tht i become unglued.....becaus eit takes me form that simple path,. suddnely i have to worry if am really saved or am i doing enough to please Him, what about this law, theis rule etc?

It's the easiest thing to get worried and make things too complicated. It's our failure. We're people. We don't know everything. Each of us are sinners, each of us are wrong about something. Most of us have deep insecurities messing with everything. It's quite common for us to turn gospel into fearful bondage without relief. Simply put, we are weak, dumb idiots. God knows this though.

You can keep the simple path. I'm keeping it too, no matter what my mind/heart throws at me. That's the fight of faith for many people. Christ already did what you can't, and He already has in Himself what you don't have in yourself, and He has it for you. Every time I stray from the simplicity of God's salvation, from the cross, I become extremely confused and fearful. But that's where I always have to return, because there is nowhere else I can go. I always return to the cross. Not in fear, but in relief. Not in my righteousness, but knowing that I lack it, so I can trust Christ's righteousness over mine. And I can breathe. Not because I'm good enough, but because He is.

We can be simple. Some of us are. Knowledge puffs up, love builds up.
 
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Well I know there is an increase in domestic violence. Of course abusers will take full advantage of that. I find all the men here trying to lord it over women as if they are their slaves by twisting Scripture disturbing as well. But it gets the clicks.

Many men feel emasculated. Being king of the hill matters more than ever. Getting them to admit their emotions may play a part in their insistence on ruling is difficult. They can't acknowledge their need to feel important, respected, etc.

~Bella
 
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Many men feel emasculated. Being king of the hill matters more than ever. Getting them to admit their emotions may play a part in their insistence on ruling is difficult. They can't acknowledge their need to feel important, respected, etc.

~Bella
I find it gross. I grew up with abuse as well and I can find no excuse for that I can actually accept except some people are simply bullies.
 
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Well I know there is an increase in domestic violence. Of course abusers will take full advantage of that. I find all the men here trying to lord it over women as if they are their slaves by twisting Scripture disturbing as well. But it gets the clicks.

Why do you write "all the men here"? I am a man and regular poster on this forum. I have never and will never "lord it over women"" and do not "twist Scripture".

Why are you condemning "all the men here"? Would you think it appropriate to condemn "all the women here"? I doubt it.
 
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Many men feel emasculated. Being king of the hill matters more than ever. Getting them to admit their emotions may play a part in their insistence on ruling is difficult. They can't acknowledge their need to feel important, respected, etc.

~Bella

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Why do you write "all the men here"? I am a man and regular poster on this forum. I have never and will never "lord it over women"" and do not "twist Scripture".

Why are you condemning "all the men here"? Would you think it appropriate to condemn "all the women here"? I doubt it.
Thanks for catching that. I’m on a phone. Autocorrect took over.
 
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Hi, am deconstructing from a very toxic background. strict evangelical fundie parents who were abusive. i have come nback to God and been saved since meeeting a Jesus who simply required me to put my trust in Him not my works or anything else for salvation.

i now go to an easy going small church which is vry spirit filled- people being saved and set free and healed- i enjoy it very much and finding out God is not the angry wrath filled ogre but a good goood father who loves His born again children and holds them secure in His love and patiently allows them to work out tjhe salvation He has given them.

i do take communion at church when i can, and am reading Acts of the apostles at the moment. been saved since 2006 and set free from leglalism, fear of hell etc

i battle mental health issues (OCD/scrupulsoity type, BPD, CPTSD eating issues) and physical disabilities and health conditions. i find actual religion hard- i want the kidn of faith which flows from my postion of security in Jesus. i beleive evry strongly in identity teachings (being the righteousness of Christ and holy in Him) and i find most mainstream religion difficult because they seem to condemn me for not being spiritual enough

i have hobbies i practice psychology and psychotherapy. i believe in emotional wellbeing. i dont cover my hair, eat kosher, i dont really keep any rules on anything and i have no interest in politics, "truther" theories, or anything. a lot of christians think am not spiritual enough or that am lukewarm. i dont tithe but i give money new teastament style, and share what i have when i can. i do speak in tongues and do evangelise. i definitely am born again my testimony proves it, but i just want to a faith which isn't exhausting, draining or makes me feel fukll of fear or trapped.

are there any other christians out there who hate all the trappings and just want a simple gospel with no plastic on it??

i dont believe that only 2% christins go to heaven or that we meant tp be sinless before we die. i think we are meant to sin less, as we walk with Jesus. but perfect? nah. we do our best but only jESUS ever met that standard. i fo go dowrks because Jesus saved me. i dont do them to be saved. i dont believe msot modern preachers who say that most christians today aren't saved or loved God enough. that is negative things and i want to concentrate on how Jesus love can empower me to meet the needs of those around me

i sometimes feel i am on a journey which few understand. i dont want ot go round exhausting myself by naming and claiming it, anointing evrything with oil to drive demons away. i just want to rest in Jesus and Him shpow me what to do.

i dont believe in guilt, regrets etc the past is the past. i harmed a lot of people in my past, innocent ones, but i know i have been forgiven as Bible says if we confess our sins to God we can be forgiven.... i have just moved on, made new friends, cut ties with the past.

i have very modern christian ideas eg i dont believe our hearts are wicked, once we born again, we have Jesus in our hearts, He gives us dreams, we can follow them as long sas we are discerning... our hearts arent perfect but we are good.

i think christian life is just about loving Jesus, serving Jeuss, preaching the gospel, healing the sick, driving out demons etc the rest i have not much time for.

oh and yes i listen to any Christian music that ministers to my soul, read anything Christian or not that helps me, i love nay good music really, secualr or christian. i think it is pointless givng things up unless they really are sinful or unhelpful.

i am quite feminist- i believe women can speak in church etc i am very modern and liberal in my views which offend some christians but i expect Jesus had very similar views only He so much better at disagreeing kindly with others (am not there yet, but the Holy Spriit is working in me on that)

Is there anyone out ther elike me or am i in this alone somehow??? i do feel it sometimes. am ok as long as i in my church, where my views are mostly accepted. but if i fellowship with christians outside of my church, i feel very aalone and start to doubtmy faith as i am not considered holy enough or "conservative enough" to be truly saved.

it really hurts sometimes oh and i also read Joyce Meyer, Graham Cooke, Henri Nouwen. a lot of whom are regded as heretics or new age or whatever. whoich doesnt bother me in the slightest. God is bigger than all those things. i wil say that i dont believe in things like yoga, tarot cards, ouija or any witchraft. i just dont think psychology, motivational speakers etc are in that caetgory and i like my faith to be practical "how do i apply thi sto my life" not a long lsit of rules or restrcitions.

anyone out there like me? at all?
Shoot me and you would get along great. Dad is conservative Christian pastor grew up doing all the things, got married to Christian girl did missionary stuff had cute Christian babies!!!! Then she cheated, became an atheist, left me.

now I’m more liberal, at least I think. I believe in therapy, and am currently in therapy and am passionate about destigmatizing mental illness in Christian community.

My current partner is not a believer, and very different than my ex wife and my current life is very happy even tho I’m not doing what my parents say I should.

according to the strict conservative perspective this won’t bring me happiness and all my joy is a lie and my relationship ship is a lie from Satan. We shall see! But I love Jesus, and I still believe in the word of God. Progressive Christianity is not appealing or authentic to me. So I’m sort of stuck. But I feel great in this place and I’m trying to focus on love, understanding the word and applying to my life and make sure I don’t lose my focus on Jesus.


At this point I’m just living, being a good dad, a great coparent and trying to be a witness to my significant other and those around me for the love of jesus
 
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More unfounded bigotry. Why are you and Michie on a hate crusade against men?

I'm not on a hate crusade or feeding that narrative. There are a litany of articles and discussions on male emasculation on the Internet. Maybe you've missed them.

~Bella
 
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Read your own posts.

You wrote, " I find all the men here trying to lord it over women as if they are their slaves by twisting Scripture disturbing as well. "

Is that what you meant to say about men or not??
 
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I'm not on a hate crusade or feeding that narrative. There are a litany of articles and discussions on male emasculation on the Internet. Maybe you've missed them.

~Bella
Probably.
 
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I'm not on a hate crusade or feeding that narrative. There are a litany of articles and discussions on male emasculation on the Internet. Maybe you've missed them.

~Bella

There is all kinds of nonsense on the Internet. I don't care about "a litany of articles and discussions on male emasculation". There are discussions on the Internet about any and all subjects. Anybody can find anything they want to support their predetermined bias.
 
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There is all kinds of nonsense on the Internet. I don't care about "a litany of articles and discussions on male emasculation". There are discussions on the Internet about any and all subjects. Anybody can find anything they want to support their predetermined bias.

I think the men are capable of expressing themselves. If they want to acknowledge their feelings openly that's their prerogative.

~Bella
 
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My mum married an abusive man. think Dave Pelzer;s mother kind of thing. and she was not allowed to leave him because the church forbids leaving due to mental or physical abuse. i wont marry because if the guy turns abusive acording to Jesus i can never leave. this is wht makes me feel that giving up on God for ever. that an dthe constant guilt and torment of my thoughts for never being holy enough

Not all churches believe this...
 
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thank you. i think i worry tha if i surrender completley to God He will place me back in a horrible situation again. and i cant go through that again. so i rejected God';s call for me as a female. i hate the idea of being pregnant. i pray to God i will be unable to. i just cannot. and marriage, i just cannot . not for me....i have no interest in men. i just dont have those feelings. i wasnt made that way...

This is a very important issue.

I think a lot of believers are afraid of total surrender to Jesus.

The reason is they have not realised that 'letting go' and giving Him control is not the total freakout they imagine because He is a God of Love and Order.
 
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