Coronavirus -- one million in US have been tested -- more than any other country

dogs4thewin · Mar 31, 2020

blackribbon said:
Very few people who are at home qualified for the test. I didnt even try because our symptoms were managable and the healthcare system is needed for the serious cases. Even if we tested positive, the process would be the same...go home, rest, hydrate, and stay isolated.

come tomorrow I will not have left my yard in three weeks. Mom and sister have only left for important things ( with the exception of my sister leaving one time to see her kids from school (she is a teacher) but she was in her car and they were in their yards. Tomorrow she is going to school to get some things, but will have gloves on be there for a max of 30 minutes and not see or talk to anyone else ( as they have purposefully assigned time blocks that way.

blackribbon · Mar 31, 2020

dogs4thewin said:
I am wondering if that test can see who had it?

There will be a blood test that can see who has antibodies to this virus that shows if you had it. I believe it exists but is very new so not yet approved or not readily avaiable yet. When a person starts working at a hospital, lots of these are done so it can be determined who needs the variety of vaccines that we are required to have. I cant estimate how expensive the test will be since some are more expensive than the vaccines.

dogs4thewin · Mar 31, 2020

blackribbon said:
There will be a blood test that can see who has antibodies to this virus that shows if you had it. I believe it exists but is very new so not yet approved or not readily avaiable yet. When a person starts working at a hospital, lots of these are done so it can be determined who needs the variety of vaccines that we are required to have. I cant estimate how expensive the test will be since some are more expensive than the vaccines.

because that would be pretty important to know.

blackribbon · Mar 31, 2020

dogs4thewin said:
come tomorrow I will not have left my yard in three weeks. Mom and sister have only left for important things ( with the exception of my sister leaving one time to see her kids from school (she is a teacher) but she was in her car and they were in their yards. Tomorrow she is going to school to get some things, but will have gloves on be there for a max of 30 minutes and not see or talk to anyone else ( as they have purposefully assigned time blocks that way.

You are likely fine. 14 days max for incubation plus day five of the symptoms for the cough to develop which is the first stage of cases that get severe. Severe comes fast ( meaning hours )after the cough starts in those that end up hospitalized.

blackribbon · Mar 31, 2020

dogs4thewin said:
because that would be pretty important to know.

Why? Have you verified that you are actually measles immune? Or any other virus immune. Just use good hygiene habids.

dogs4thewin · Mar 31, 2020

blackribbon said:
You are likely fine. 14 days max for incubation plus day five of the symptoms for the cough to develop which is the first stage of cases that get severe. Severe comes fast ( meaning hours )after the cough starts in those that end up hospitalized.

Well, I cannot drive with my CP. Even if I could drive I would not, but I cannot drive even if I wanted to go anywhere.

dogs4thewin · Mar 31, 2020

blackribbon said:
Why? Have you verified that you are actually measles immune? Or any other virus immune. Just use good hygiene habids.

but if you can only get it once ( in X period it would be helpful to know who was "out").

miamited · Mar 31, 2020

Hi blackribbon,

I appreciate your input, but I think we're seeing some false comparison. You responded:

blackribbon said:
If someone sneezes with the vrus, you either will be exposed or not. No partial protection.

The question I asked wasn't whether or not I would be exposed or not. The question was whether or not the mask would offer any protection or not from my breathing in that airborne virus that was expelled and it getting into my respiratory system, giving me the disease? There are medical professionals who are everyday 'exposed' to the virus, yet the vast majority of them go home at night to have dinner with their families unaffected from having been exposed. Yes, I understand that you're going to make the claim that these are people who have properly fitting masks. I contend that there's really no reason why I couldn't also properly fit a mask

You also responded:

blackribbon said:
A mustache is facial hair that interferes in fit.

Really? Can you show me something besides your word that confirms that all mustaches prevent a proper fit of a protective mask?

You responded:

blackribbon said:
If you have leaks and inhale, the virus gets in.

Wouldn't that really be properly stated as 'the virius could get in. It's my understanding that the virus isn't like a blanket, but is more like some dots in the air. If someone sneezes, some of those dots could go right over my shoulder. Some could land on my shirt or other clothing. I don't think that it's ever been believed that just because there may be some small leak in the seal around someone's mask that they will breathe in the virus if exposed. But they could and this is why a proper fit is of some importance to the device. See here: Viable influenza A virus in airborne particles expelled during coughs versus exhalations

Now, surely if I were in an atmosphere where I was constantly surrounded by the virus, yes a leaking mask is likely not going to protect me for very long. However, what I'm speaking of here is a short duration of expelled virus during a cough or sneeze. In such a circumstance, within a matter of 30 seconds, the air expelled containing the virus has moved away.

Finally, I offer up the nation of China. Now, I'm no medical professional, but I see a nation of people who initially had a large outbreak, but now seem to have brought it, somewhat, under better control. I see a nation of people wearing masks and I can't help to consider that the wearing of the mask is at least partially responsible for the control. The news article that I watched last night did confirm this as being true, to a degree. As I said, I'm not looking for the 1,000,000% guarantee, but merely reasonable protection.

I mean, I could lock myself away in a hazmat protected room with a hepa filtered air system and could likely be guaranteed to 9,999,999% protection from the virus. But that's being unreasonable. I'm willing to trust that with reasonable protections and faith in a God who loves me, that I'll either make it through this or die. Either option is acceptable to me. But I believe that with the use of reasonable protections, my death from this particular pandemic is somewhat reduced.

blackribbon said:
And yes, if you are standing in line with a mask, and someone coughs on you...you are likely to get the virus.

I'm curious. How did we go from 'you will' to 'you are likely'?

God bless,
In Christ, ted

blackribbon · Mar 31, 2020

miamited said:
Hi blackribbon,

No, I haven't. I've never lived through a pandemic in my life. I read up on them and purchased the kind with the air release valve for exhalation, just like the better 3M N95 mask has. Yes, I imagine that they are uncomfortable which would explain why we wouldn't normally wear them, but comfort isn't the end all be all of what I'm trying to accomplish here. Yes, I've read that people tend to wear them wrong and that you can't really get a good seal if you have facial hair (which I have nothing but a mustache).

Again, however, I think you missed the gist of my comment. I'm not looking for the 1,000,000% guarantee that I won't inhale the virus. I'm looking for the 'reasonable' protection that such a device will afford me if someone sneezes or coughs in my direction. You obviously find them to be of some benefit yourself since you and your family use them. I'm looking to fly out to California in a week or so and I just want some measure of protection when sitting in a closed in space using recirculated air.

Thanks for the heads up. I do intend to try and make it form fitting to my face. I bought ones that have the nose bridge clip that allows you to mold it to the nose and cheeks. Let me ask you. If I'm standing in a line and the person in front of me turns around and coughs in my face, and that person is contagious, are you telling me that a 'reasonably' well fitting mask will not afford me any protection from breathing in the expelled virus?

God bless,
In Christ, ted

1968 H3N2 Pandemic. 1 million deaths worldwide. 100,000 deaths in the US. Most deaths were older people.

2009 H1N1 Pandemic 151,700-575,400 died worldwide. 12,469 American deaths. Mostly children, young adults, and middle aged peeople.

Yes, you have lived through pandemics. People are just freaking out more this time. This wont be remembered for the deaths but rather the toilet paper hording and the level people freaked out.

blackribbon · Mar 31, 2020

miamited said:
Hi blackribbon,

I appreciate your input, but I think we're seeing some false comparison. You responded:

The question I asked wasn't whether or not I would be exposed or not. The question was whether or not the mask would offer any protection or not from my breathing in that airborne virus that was expelled and it getting into my respiratory system, giving me the disease? There are medical professionals who are everyday 'exposed' to the virus, yet the vast majority of them go home at night to have dinner with their families unaffected from having been exposed. Yes, I understand that you're going to make the claim that these are people who have properly fitting masks. I contend that there's really no reason why I couldn't also properly fit a mask

You also responded:

Really? Can you show me something besides your word that confirms that all mustaches prevent a proper fit of a protective mask?

You responded:

Wouldn't that really be properly stated as 'the virius could get in. It's my understanding that the virus isn't like a blanket, but is more like some dots in the air. If someone sneezes, some of those dots could go right over my shoulder. Some could land on my shirt or other clothing. I don't think that it's ever been believed that just because there may be some small leak in the seal around someone's mask that they will breathe in the virus if exposed. But they could and this is why a proper fit is of some importance to the device. See here: Viable influenza A virus in airborne particles expelled during coughs versus exhalations

Now, surely if I were in an atmosphere where I was constantly surrounded by the virus, yes a leaking mask is likely not going to protect me for very long. However, what I'm speaking of here is a short duration of expelled virus during a cough or sneeze. In such a circumstance, within a matter of 30 seconds, the air expelled containing the virus has moved away.

Finally, I offer up the nation of China. Now, I'm no medical professional, but I see a nation of people who initially had a large outbreak, but now seem to have brought it, somewhat, under better control. I see a nation of people wearing masks and I can't help to consider that the wearing of the mask is at least partially responsible for the control. The news article that I watched last night did confirm this as being true, to a degree. As I said, I'm not looking for the 1,000,000% guarantee, but merely reasonable protection.

I mean, I could lock myself away in a hazmat protected room with a hepa filtered air system and could likely be guaranteed to 9,999,999% protection from the virus. But that's being unreasonable. I'm willing to trust that with reasonable protections and faith in a God who loves me, that I'll either make it through this or die. Either option is acceptable to me. But I believe that with the use of reasonable protections, my death from this particular pandemic is somewhat reduced.

I'm curious. How did we go from 'you will' to 'you are likely'?

God bless,
In Christ, ted

You will get the virus unless you are immune. Someone could sneeze in your face, if you have already had if and just didnt know it, you would not get it. If it is as contagious as they say it is, if you only inhale some of a sneeze, you will get the virus. And like I said, you will be carrying around lots of live virus to expose yourself later in the day.

I believe that most of use working in the hospital have had the disease and the isolation practice with used PPE are a joke. The reason to keep wearing it is thathere isnt enough known and there might be different variations of it out there and the hospitalized patients may have a worse form. That said, doctors and nurses have gotten very sick and died. We are willing to risk our lives by going in rooms of dangerous illnesses because that is what we do.

Sparagmos · Mar 31, 2020

Mountainmanbob said:
Just curious, what country has done better?
Is there anything over there
positive today?
M-Bob

South Korea.

DamianWarS · Mar 31, 2020

Mountainmanbob said:
Just curious, what country has done better?
Is there anything over there
positive today?
M-Bob

The US has a large population and the most cases in the world so they should also be the ones with the most total testing but in terms of a per capita amount other countries have been more aggressive with testing.

blackribbon · Mar 31, 2020

Chinese are mostly wearing smog masks. This is smaller than smog but will contain a sneeze from blowing across an entire room. They are also on the downward part of that famous curve we are trying to flatten. Less people get sick because more people are immune and dont carry the virus everywhere.

blackribbon · Mar 31, 2020

DamianWarS said:
The US has a large population and the most cases in the world so they should also be the ones with the most total testing but in terms of a per capita amount other countries have been more aggressive with testing.

Problem when we get the things we need to make the tests from China. China has the power to distribute it to whom they want to distribute it to or horde it if there is low availabilty due to factories being shut down for quaranting

Mountainmanbob · Mar 31, 2020

blackribbon said:
Problem when we get the things we need to make the tests from China. China has the power to distribute it to whom they want to distribute it to or horde it if there is low availabilty due to factories being shut down for quaranting

Seems to be time to pull 60% of our business with China out of China.

I would actually prefer 90% out but, that would probably start a war. They love and need our money.
M-Bob

Looks like there will be many US deaths due to the Coronavirus.

miamited · Mar 31, 2020

Mountainmanbob said:
Seems to be time to pull 60% of our business with China out of China.

I would actually prefer 90% out but, that would probably start a war. They love and need our money.
M-Bob

Looks like there will be many US deaths due to the Coronavirus.

Hi MM,

Somehow I don't remember quite so much 'villification' over the various African nations when ebola and aids came calling. Are you sure you're being fair in your assessment of the situation and not just grandstanding over China because your mentor tells you that they're bad.

I'm just sayin'.

God bless,
In Christ, ted

blackribbon · Mar 31, 2020

Mountainmanbob said:
Seems to be time to pull 60% of our business with China out of China.

I would actually prefer 90% out but, that would probably start a war. They love and need our money.
M-Bob

Looks like there will be many US deaths due to the Coronavirus.

Trump this is a stance that Trump has always had and has been trying to do. That along with making the balance of need between the two countries to be more equitable so one country doesn't have the kind of power that China now has over us.

blackribbon · Mar 31, 2020

Sparagmos said:
South Korea.

South Korea used the SARS tests left over from last years epidemic. They were not COVID-19 specific and they were already in the country.

JacksBratt · Mar 31, 2020

I don't really trust the numbers that are out there. There are those that have been tested.. those that have the symptoms and are positive tests results, those with mild symptoms and never asked to be tested, those with the symptoms and told to stay home and treat it like it is the flu...

So.. how do you know what the real numbers are. I, personally, know four people that were told not to come in to get tested.. yet had the symptoms... Therefore, they are not even a statistic.

blackribbon · Mar 31, 2020

miamited said:
Hi MM,

Somehow I don't remember quite so much 'villification' over the various African nations when ebola and aids came calling. Are you sure you're being fair in your assessment of the situation and not just grandstanding over China because your mentor tells you that they're bad.

I'm just sayin'.

God bless,
In Christ, ted

Ebola virus is scary. 80% of those who get it will likely die. It was a big scare here. Several nurses I worked with were afraid to even identify that they were from any of those countries...even if they hadn't been "home" in years.

And the entire of continent of Africa was vilified during the introduction of AIDS to the US. It was awful. Now HIV doesn't even get any isolation beyond normal "universal" precautions in the hospital. You would never even know if your roommate was HIV positive.

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