What important doctrine or truth is not being taught in the churches today?

Paidiske · Feb 6, 2020

dms1972 said:
Going back to that scripture - I think there is another exegesis of that scripture that is possible. Its more likely the writer is refering to flying things (even if some are only so through adaption)

That would make sense, and I agree it's a likely explanation. It's not what the text says, though, so that's an interpretation on our part.

dms1972 said:
When we talk about error in scripture it means does the scripture lead to errors in doctrine or practice. In that sense the answer is No. Read with humility it doesn't lead into error about who God is, or the conditions under which he can be approached.

Agreed. This I think is more or less in line with what I originally said about the Bible containing everything necessary for salvation. But not necessarily being inerrant in other matters.

GingerBeer · Feb 6, 2020

QvQ said:
I was an atheist raised atheist. I questioned the Basic Premise of Christianity. The Basic Premise of Christianity is God. I asked God if He exists. He does.

So, is your reply a claim that you received no religious instruction from books, people, the bible, or any source?

QvQ · Feb 6, 2020

Paidiske said:
My point remains; Scripture is not a science textbook.

Scripture may not be a science book but it will have to do until something better comes along

dms1972 · Feb 6, 2020

Paidiske said:
That would make sense, and I agree it's a likely explanation. It's not what the text says, though, so that's an interpretation on our part.

Strong's Hebrew: 5775. עוֹף (oph) -- flying creatures

Though some translations use our english word birds, I think the hebrew has it covered

Interestingly In Isaish 2:20 bats are mentioned alongside moles

Isaiah 2:20 In that day men will cast away their idols of silver and gold--the idols they made to worship--away to the moles and bats.

QvQ · Feb 6, 2020

GingerBeer said:
So, is your reply a claim that you received no religious instruction from books, people, the bible, or any source?

Exactly, my parents were hostile to religion. I had the same knowledge and opinion of Christianity that I had of the tooth fairy or Santa Claus. The only thing I knew about the Fairy, Santa and Christ was that none of them existed, myths for children and very young children at that. I knew God first and only became a Christian much later. It was a private journey for a long time, a exploration of what I had discovered by asking God. I don't know much about the Bible. What I know is "street smart" stuff I learned just paying attention and loving God

GingerBeer · Feb 6, 2020

QvQ said:
Exactly, my parents were hostile to religion. I had the same knowledge and opinion of Christianity that I had of the tooth fairy or Santa Claus. The only thing I knew about the Fairy, Santa and Christ was that none of them existed, myths for children and very young children at that. I knew God first and only became a Christian much later. It was a private journey for a long time, a exploration of what I had discovered by asking God. I don't know much about the Bible. What I know is "street smart" stuff I learned just paying attention and loving God

So why is Christ on the list and not Mohamed, Buddha, and why is the tooth fairy and Sanata excluded? Was there some preliminary knowledge that led to "God" and later to "Christ"? Was Christ already known to you and from what sources?

QvQ · Feb 6, 2020

GingerBeer said:
So why is Christ on the list and not Mohamed, Buddha, and why is the tooth fairy and Sanata excluded? Was there some preliminary knowledge that led to "God" and later to "Christ"? Was Christ already known to you and from what sources?

I am not certain which list? All religious expression was equally scorned by my family. There are pervasive symbols in our culture, santa claus, fairies, witches, leprechauns so that is "preliminary knowledge" and Christianity is part of that. However, it is easy to dismiss as fairy tales.
As for the beginning, blessed are the pure in heart for they shall see God. I had an honest question and an open mind. I had thought how to "prove God" and if He did exist as an objective reality and cognizant being then He should answer my question. That does not mean I am going to expedition to the North Pole in search of Santa or lurk about at night with a butterfly net to catch the Tooth Fairy so now I wonder as you do, what prompted that more serious approach to God. Or less serious, most likely I was snickering mischief and insolence given my spiritual outlook at that time.
Christ was especially scorned, Muslim was virtually unknown and Buddhism was chic as long as it was decor and incense to my parents. So, I had very little, very negative information about Christianity. However I majored in literature and some of the finest poetry in the language is KJV. I also read Milton's Paradise Lost so it was literature that finally overcame my anathema to the Bible and then to Christianity. But God was a friend of mine for a long time before I finally read the Bible and realized that Christ was the Truth the Life and the Way.
I know Very Many People like myself. We are the children of atheists or apathetics and we are finding our way back home.

Jesus is YHWH · Feb 6, 2020

What a disciple really is according to the teaching of Jesus and counting the cost in following Him. Who is willing to deny yourself take up their cross( be ready to die for following Jesus) daily and serve Him the rest of your life with that attitude. Jesus is your LORD and not just ones Savior. Lord meaning He rules over your life in all areas. This is missing in the modern day churches. Jesus didn't say go and make converts in the great commission He said to go and make disciples.

GingerBeer · Feb 6, 2020

QvQ said:
I had thought how to "prove God"

For an atheist of atheist parentage that's an odd question to start with. But it's a good thing that you came to Christ. I am not convinced that it was without any knowledge or sources leading you to Christ.

QvQ · Feb 6, 2020

GingerBeer said:
For an atheist of atheist parentage that's an odd question to start with. But it's a good thing that you came to Christ. I am not convinced that it was without any knowledge or sources leading you to Christ.

The only knowledge and source my parents and subsequently myself allowed was that God did not exist. The question is not odd. God prompted the question and by the Grace of God I understood the answer. I think Calvinist understand this but Evangelicals believe there must be knowledge or source involved. Why do you doubt?

Gregory Thompson · Feb 12, 2020

Bible Highlighter said:
Right, a teaching on Belief Alone-ism (that John the Baptist condemned, and Jesus condemned) would be a really good sermon to hear.

"Bring forth therefore fruits worthy of repentance, and begin not to say within yourselves, We have Abraham to our father [i.e. Belief Alone-ism]: for I say unto you, That God is able of these stones to raise up children unto Abraham. And now also the axe is laid unto the root of the trees: every tree therefore which bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire." (Luke 3:8-9).

"They answered and said unto him, Abraham is our father [i.e. Belief Alone-ism]. Jesus saith unto them, If ye were Abraham's children, ye would do the works of Abraham." (John 8:39).

Side Note:

The brackets above in purple is my commentary to the text.

Oh, and what is interesting is that the number 389 (Luke 3:8-9) can be seen in both verse numbers. Just move the 3 to the middle and you have the number 839 (John 8:39). Both are saying the same thing. That's the Word of God! It's beautiful.

I find it also apt to observe that the Pharisees and Scribes thought in the scriptures they would find eternal life, but those same scriptures spoke of Jesus the true giver of eternal life. Today, many replace Jesus the living word of God with the written word of God called the scriptures, to a disastrous outcome ... just look at the world around you.

The sermon not enacted to edification .. not yet anyway.

Thanks for the reply.

Bible Highlighter · Feb 13, 2020

Michael Collum said:
I find it also apt to observe that the Pharisees and Scribes thought in the scriptures they would find eternal life, but those same scriptures spoke of Jesus the true giver of eternal life. Today, many replace Jesus the living word of God with the written word of God called the scriptures, to a disastrous outcome ... just look at the world around you.

The sermon not enacted to edification .. not yet anyway.

Thanks for the reply.

Then there are those who speak against making the Scriptures a part of their life, too. This is also wrong. The one church that seeks to make it about Scripture but they miss the point of the Scriptures by leaving out God's grace and mentioning more of Jesus is the: "Church of Christ." They do not talk about how to get saved all so much through Jesus, and to trust in His grace. It is all about, "do," "do," do," and "no grace." We need Jesus and His grace. That is Soteriology 101. Studying the Scriptures without knowing they are about Jesus is to miss the point of Scripture. But I believe there is another aspect of God's Word that people miss in the majority of churches today and that is living holy as a part of the Sanctification Process (After one is saved by God's grace) (See: Titus 2:11-12). Most want to justify sin and or disregard what God's Word says in favor of just doing their own thing. This is also wrong, as well (See: Jude 1:4). A person needs a healthy balance of both God's grace and Sanctification. This can only be possible by putting the Word of God on the inside of us and seeking the Lord (by way of prayer) on these things. It involves both Scripture and God. It's not all one or the other alone. One needs a healthy balance of both God and His Word, too.

Gregory Thompson · Feb 14, 2020

Bible Highlighter said:
Then there are those who speak against making the Scriptures a part of their life, too. This is also wrong. The one church that seeks to make it about Scripture but they miss the point of the Scriptures by leaving out God's grace and mentioning more of Jesus is the: "Church of Christ." They do not talk about how to get saved all so much through Jesus, and to trust in His grace. It is all about, "do," "do," do," and "no grace." We need Jesus and His grace. That is Soteriology 101. Studying the Scriptures without knowing they are about Jesus is to miss the point of Scripture. But I believe there is another aspect of God's Word that people miss in the majority of churches today and that is living holy as a part of the Sanctification Process (After one is saved by God's grace) (See: Titus 2:11-12). Most want to justify sin and or disregard what God's Word says in favor of just doing their own thing. This is also wrong, as well (See: Jude 1:4). A person needs a healthy balance of both God's grace and Sanctification. This can only be possible by putting the Word of God on the inside of us and seeking the Lord (by way of prayer) on these things. It involves both Scripture and God. It's not all one or the other alone. One needs a healthy balance of both God and His Word, too.

I suspect those speaking against "the scripture" are most likely speaking against the way scripture is most commonly applied.

For example, the scripture over a decade ago became part of my subconscious, I consumed so much of it and applied so much of it that it just became part of me. So when faced with the same process again, it seems there isn't as much room as there used to be, because the words are already in me.

Some may indeed be ignorant and wish to remain so, and some may just have no need of a teacher as the scripture says and avoid those still in school acting like that's all there is and ever will be.

Bible Highlighter · Feb 14, 2020

Michael Collum said:
I suspect those speaking against "the scripture" are most likely speaking against the way scripture is most commonly applied.

I call it... not reading their Bible plainly.
Even metaphor in Scripture has indicators based on the context that it is metaphor.

You said:
For example, the scripture over a decade ago became part of my subconscious, I consumed so much of it and applied so much of it that it just became part of me. So when faced with the same process again, it seems there isn't as much room as there used to be, because the words are already in me.

This sounds to me like one can stop learning the treasures that contained in God's Word. There are depths to God's Word on levels that the casual reader will not always comprehend and it takes a continual seeking and knocking with God to find what He wants to say to us today with His Word. God's Word aids us in our walk with God. If one cuts off the Word, then they cut off their proper walk with God. We are not to forget His Word, and we are to continually meditate on His Word, and we must realize that His Word can revive (or give life), and that His Word can help to prevent us from sinning against Him, etc.

15 "I will meditate in thy precepts, and have respect unto thy ways.
16 I will delight myself in thy statutes: I will not forget thy word."
(Psalms 119:15-16).

47 "I prevented the dawning of the morning, and cried: I hoped in thy word.
48 Mine eyes prevent the night watches, that I might meditate in thy word."
(Psalms 119:47-48).

"his is my comfort in my affliction, For Your word has given me life."
(Psalms 119:50).

"But he answered and said, "It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God."" (Matthew 4:4).

"Your word I have hidden in my heart, That I might not sin against You."
(Psalms 119:11).

"How can a young man cleanse his way? By taking heed according to Your word." (Psalms 119:9).

4 "Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God is one LORD:
5 And thou shalt love the LORD thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy might.
6 And these words, which I command thee this day, shall be in thine heart:
7 And thou shalt teach them diligently unto thy children, and shalt talk of them when thou sittest in thine house, and when thou walkest by the way, and when thou liest down, and when thou risest up." (Deuteronomy 6:4-7).

You said:
Some may indeed be ignorant and wish to remain so, and some may just have no need of a teacher as the scripture says and avoid those still in school acting like that's all there is and ever will be.

People can study the Bible and never get it because they are not truly seeking God on His terms. The Bible is all about Jesus, His redemption for us, and in living for Him. But to imply that studying the Word every day and wanting to apply it every day is not an ongoing life process until the day we die is also wrong. Man shall not live by bread alone. Do you stop eating food (i.e. bread)?

Gregory Thompson · Feb 15, 2020

Bible Highlighter said:
I call it... not reading their Bible plainly.
Even metaphor in Scripture has indicators based on the context that it is metaphor.

This sounds to me like one can stop learning the treasures that contained in God's Word. There are depths to God's Word on levels that the casual reader will not always comprehend and it takes a continual seeking and knocking with God to find what He wants to say to us today with His Word. God's Word aids us in our walk with God. If one cuts off the Word, then they cut off their proper walk with God. We are not to forget His Word, and we are to continually meditate on His Word, and we must realize that His Word can revive (or give life), and that His Word can help to prevent us from sinning against Him, etc.

15 "I will meditate in thy precepts, and have respect unto thy ways.
16 I will delight myself in thy statutes: I will not forget thy word."
(Psalms 119:15-16).

47 "I prevented the dawning of the morning, and cried: I hoped in thy word.
48 Mine eyes prevent the night watches, that I might meditate in thy word."
(Psalms 119:47-48).

"his is my comfort in my affliction, For Your word has given me life."
(Psalms 119:50).

"But he answered and said, "It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God."" (Matthew 4:4).

"Your word I have hidden in my heart, That I might not sin against You."
(Psalms 119:11).

"How can a young man cleanse his way? By taking heed according to Your word." (Psalms 119:9).

4 "Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God is one LORD:
5 And thou shalt love the LORD thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy might.
6 And these words, which I command thee this day, shall be in thine heart:
7 And thou shalt teach them diligently unto thy children, and shalt talk of them when thou sittest in thine house, and when thou walkest by the way, and when thou liest down, and when thou risest up." (Deuteronomy 6:4-7).

People can study the Bible and never get it because they are not truly seeking God on His terms. The Bible is all about Jesus, His redemption for us, and in living for Him. But to imply that studying the Word every day and wanting to apply it every day is not an ongoing life process until the day we die is also wrong. Man shall not live by bread alone. Do you stop eating food (i.e. bread)?

Yet, like mana in the wilderness, I see the bread of life everywhere and in everything. It's not like I stop eating. Perhaps it's just a matter of different organ in the body. Not sure exactly, a lot of my calling seems to relate to encountering things outside the body like skin, while some never encounter stuff like that at all like the internal organs. Still one body though.

Thomas White · Feb 16, 2020

Bible Highlighter said:
What important doctrine or truth is not being taught in the churches today?

Depending on the church, more or less will be missing. A loss of focus is pretty common from church to church. Honestly, I'm more worried about what is added to what the church teaches than what is not covered by the church. For example, in the South, most churches I've been to would rather focus on why Christian's shouldn't use profanity than why Christian's should help the poor. They would rather discuss what you wear to church than how the church should welcome all.

I guess that reveals the churches' biggest loss: the people. We're losing millions because we forgot about Jesus's biggest draw: love and acceptance.

Bible Highlighter · Feb 17, 2020

Thomas White said:
Depending on the church, more or less will be missing. A loss of focus is pretty common from church to church. Honestly, I'm more worried about what is added to what the church teaches than what is not covered by the church. For example, in the South, most churches I've been to would rather focus on why Christian's shouldn't use profanity than why Christian's should help the poor. They would rather discuss what you wear to church than how the church should welcome all.

I guess that reveals the churches' biggest loss: the people. We're losing millions because we forgot about Jesus's biggest draw: love and acceptance.

Well, profanity is a good thing to teach against, but that is not the only sin (of course). It is true, that not helping the poor is a neglected teaching in the church these days. Then again, when I attend church it looks nothing like the church I see in Scripture. There is no close intimate fellowship. Believers generally met in each others homes and not a big building and not with one man preaching alone. In the churches today: There is no agreement over core basic doctrines of the faith that the Bible teaches. It is more like a one man show with some kind of concert. You hear a preach, and hear some songs and everyone goes home. Some churches like the church denomination called the "Church of Christ" do have a fellowship meal, but the problem with the "Church of Christ" is that there is no grace preached there. While Sanctification is an important aspect of our salvation, they make it all about "do, do, do," and no grace. It's more like a social club where they talk about the Bible but they do not understand the core basics of coming to the faith (Which is by calling upon the name of the Lord (Jesus) to be saved - Romans 10:13, and in believing in Jesus Christ's death, burial, and resurrection for salvation - 1 Corinthians 15:1-4, and in seeking forgiveness with the Lord - Luke 18:9-14, and inviting Christ into our life - Matthew 10:28-29).

As for your comment that says; "The church should welcome all:"

Well, not sure what you mean by this, but while God's people do accept a person who is a sinner to come to the Lord (initially), they do need to change after meeting the Lord. God's people do not accept people who want to remain in their sins and they are unwilling to repent (seek forgiveness with the Lord) and live unchanged lives. Believers need to seek forgiveness with the Lord, and then change and or forsake their sins. If they are looking to justify sin of any kind as a way of life, they should not have fellowship with such believers. Just read 1 Corinthians 5:9-11. We are told not to fellowship with any brother who is a drunkard, fornicator, idolater, etc.; Sure, Christians can struggle with sin, but they need to seek out help with the faithful brethren for them to pray for them so as to help them overcome and have victory over their sin (1 John 5:16-17).

Bible Highlighter · Feb 17, 2020

Michael Collum said:
Yet, like mana in the wilderness, I see the bread of life everywhere and in everything. It's not like I stop eating. Perhaps it's just a matter of different organ in the body. Not sure exactly, a lot of my calling seems to relate to encountering things outside the body like skin, while some never encounter stuff like that at all like the internal organs. Still one body though.

Nowhere does Scripture say that we can find bread in other things besides the communicated Word of God (Which can His direct oral words like in the Old Covenant, and in His written words). The Bible teaches.

"But he answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God." (Matthew 4:4).

The Bible is God's Word today. This is our daily bread. If one is not partaking of this daily bread every day, they are starving themselves to death.

GingerBeer · Feb 18, 2020

QvQ said:
Why do you doubt?

Because you live in a western nation where Christianity is a dominant religion and the culture of the west is saturated with Christian ideas, bible ideas, and religion. No one in the west, with the possible exception of deeply unconscious persons or persons with some other serious inhibition for sensory input and mental processes, is likely to be truly unaware of Christianity and Christ.

I am not an evangelical.

Jipsah · Feb 18, 2020

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It is likely that even if this question is asked , posted, re-posted, on all the forums, all the sites, and asked in all the churches for 7 weeks, that not even one man in a thousand would know the first important truth that was lost in the first three centuries....

I reckon if it was lost then nobody'd know about it.

What important doctrine or truth is not being taught in the churches today?

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