a pastor ridicules single christian men who play video games calling them losers

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That reminds me of when proxy 16 years ago I was hitting the near by casino most every night. After 3 months or so I just got bored with it and stopped going.

But, I have had several friends that got hooked at that same casino and lost everything they owned. One close friend from work took his life because his lose of retirement monies.

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Hold on a second.

Gambling is completely different to video games,much worse. Gambling appeals to greed and wanting more money. Christ said you cannot love God and mammon so this comparison is foolish and just false.

And @jasonMalloy1999 I'm sorry to say this but it's clear that old people don't really understand the nature of video games if they compare it to filthy lucre. Best not to take counsel off them as they don't understand this topic and almost unanimously have a clear bias against it.

It would be the equivalent of asking a heathen advice on how to live a Christian lifestyle.
 
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I say....as long as you're not hurting yourself or anyone else, do whatever makes you happy. And try not to worry about what other people say or think.
I'd say do what pleases God first, but yes, if you're not convicted about the video games you play, then I don't see an issue.
 
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I'm sorry to say this but it's clear that old people don't really understand the nature of video games




if they compare it to filthy lucre. Best not to take counsel off them as they don't understand this topic and almost unanimously have a clear bias against it.

It would be the equivalent of asking a heathen advice on how to live a Christian lifestyle.

I guess that you might consider my 57 year old schoolteacher wife (old)? That's cool you'll also be there before you know it.

Each year in the classroom she is seeing more and more problems caused by young ones (mostly boys) addiction to video games.
As discussed in the videos below.
M-Bob

 
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i seen online that a texan pastor ridicules single christian men who play video games calling them losers and he encoureges wifely rebellian and said single christian guys that game like myself have a and i quote retarded spirit

http://ifyouonlynews.com/videos/tex...ames-are-losers-with-a-retarded-spirit-video/

I'm not surprised. I've seen a lot of off the cuff preaching like that from the Pentecostal/Charismatic end of Protestantism where the preacher believes that his horse sense (personal opinion/taste) is supernatural. I'm sure the guy believes watching Monday Night Football and Country music "is anointed" etc.

Anyway this sort of thing is good in the end. This is a sign for younger folks who don't fit "his vision" to leave or not support his ministry and find a more fatherly minister.

I however did not listen or read the article. It is possible the guy is just talking about the extreme examples of "basement dwellers" etc. that everybody realizes is a problem, but even that can be handled better. (The problem is not video games but some people that game all the time and don't meet their life responsibilities). And yes I'm a PC gamer.
 
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It's time "spent", not "wasted", but yeah, there are some young men, for whom video games are all they spend their time doing, and in that case, they need to spend less time playing them and doing other things...

But it's no different than people with their "televisions" I think, most of the time...

They call it the "boob tube" for a reason...

God Bless!
Why did you put televisions in scare quotes?

While I agree that tv is a problem on some level, there is a significant problem with video games and young men. In today's hyperfeminized society, masculinity is under attack and I believe this is why so many young men drop out and turn to a video game world where masculinity isn't attacked. This is a huge mistake by young men, one that deserves to be called out. Rather than retreat from a culture that hates them, young men should take a page from the progressives and confront society with positive masculinity. That starts by joining a Godly church.
 
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I guess that you might consider my 57 year old schoolteacher wife (old)? That's cool you'll also be there before you know it.

Each year in the classroom she is seeing more and more problems caused by young ones (mostly boys) addiction to video games.
As discussed in the videos below.
M-Bob


It's the environment the older people have left for an inheritance. Anyone who thinks a 15 year old created the situation around them is just a fool.
 
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Most sensible young people aren't getting offended by older peoples statements or views,were just ignoring them.

I'm certainly not going to stop playing videos games,I'm not going to take in the misinformation from the older members on this thread and in general I just dismiss older peoples view altogether because it's irrelevant. And I would recommend all younger generations do the same,you have nothing to lose as the wisdom stopped being passed down many generation ago and now it's been replaced with toxic garbage. Who needs that?
 
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i seen online that a texan pastor ridicules single christian men who play video games calling them losers and he encoureges wifely rebellian and said single christian guys that game like myself have a and i quote retarded spirit

http://ifyouonlynews.com/videos/tex...ames-are-losers-with-a-retarded-spirit-video/
Some video games are violent and can lead to rage, war and PTSD.

When I was young I was addicted to TV. As I got older I was working two jobs and did not have time for it. I believe video games are not a profitable study and are a waste of time. I am not talking about a 737 flight simulator that is used to train pilots, but zombie killing video games might cause loss of faith.
 
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Well it can be a cheap, for the lazy ones babysitter.

Not now son I'm busy
why don't you go play your video games for a while.

M-Bob
I agree but life can be never so simple. I'm employed by a "work at home" dad. His business is right next to his residence. To make ends meet his wife commutes to work into the city. So he not only had to change diapers and manage the business but later on when the children were old enough, he found a friend in XBox.
 
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Can you prove that claim?
Possibly as paraphrased and in several places written in Scripture: a bad seed produces a bad tree,
and bad company CORRUPTS <even previously> GOOD morals,
and a bad tree produces bad fruit ,
etc ?
 
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thankfully im in scotland that pastor is pretty offensive tho

Does it really matter where you are? That "pastor" (so-called) may have come from a generation that believes in our efforts being mostly productive. Gaming is not at all productive toward any valuable end. It;s one thing to play games in one's spare time while resting, but quite another to game at the exclusion of being productive.

Does excessive gaming bring others to Christ? Does it repair a car for an elderly neighbor in need? Does it put a new roof on the house of a needy family down the road from you? Does it produce for your employer (if you have one) so that he is then inclined to pay you for your time and skills?

I suspect that "pastor" is speaking of those young guys out there who play games excessively, and thus not being of much use to anyone else, living off their parents like sponges and doing little to nothing else productive.

One may ask how one defines "excessive" when it comes to gaming. That would depend on what all other activities are involved in the hours of each day in relation to gaming. It varies from person to person.

If you are offended, then perhaps your conscience is telling you that you have a problem that you're not willing to admit that you have....

Otherwise, his comments would simply be like water on a duck's back.

Jr
 
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Sorry... I have a few "issues" with what's in the mass media today, if you can't tell...

I "apologize"...

God Bless!

As long as you're an observer and not a participant you're likely ok.
 
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Playing a video game is really no different than reading a fiction novel, or playing some imaginary game as a kid outside. So long as it doesn't get in the way or work and other priorities, I don't see the problem. I work at a professional job, and go to school at the same time. I'll play a game to relax or chill out. Sometimes I'll read, or even watch TV, there's no real difference as they are all distractions.

Never played one myself. Aren't they mostly about killing people and monsters vicariously? I prefer the real thing (speaking of deer hunting of course).
 
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Back in my 20's and 30's when MMORPGs became popular, I was hooked on them, even though I mostly played solo.

I do believe that it cost me a ten year non-marital relationship and raising five of my kids. It is all I really wanted to do. It was immaturity. I became a long distance dad to these five kids.

When I was married, I was still into video games, but for a different reason. It was an escape from marriage and the arguments that would ensue if I wasn't gaming. My ex-wife put lots of pressure on me to be something that I could not be at the time. I was still pretty immature. That wasn't the downfall of my marriage though. That was because no matter what I did, I couldn't make her happy. So, she divorced me and at least this time I am doing what they call co-parenting our two little ones.

After the divorce I matured as my girlfriend calls it and I am not the person I was even five years ago. Do I still play video games? I do, and my girlfriend, also a gamer, is fine with me doing so. I work a full-time job and we do things on the weekends. Gaming is not my end all be all. I generally get two days to game during the week. Mondays and Fridays. As I work three days a week, and I get my two little ones on the weekends. Tomorrow we're going to Sea World with an old co-worker of mine and her family.

These days, video games are still somewhat of an escape for me because of my high stress job as an EMT. I use my video gaming as a way to decompress and relax. I do play while I am at work on our downtime when I can.

I can see what the pastor is saying, but IMHO he is also throwing the baby out with the bath water.

The games that I play are still MMORPGs for the most part, but also a survival game called ARK: Survival Evolved which is the main game that I play. I'll play sports games, such as Madden Football and NHL Hockey. Really looking forward to playing a game called Greedfall which the world changes based on your decisions. I will still play Skyrim from time to time as well.
 
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Some video games are violent and can lead to rage, war and PTSD.

When I was young I was addicted to TV. As I got older I was working two jobs and did not have time for it. I believe video games are not a profitable study and are a waste of time. I am not talking about a 737 flight simulator that is used to train pilots, but zombie killing video games might cause loss of faith.

New Study Shows That There Is No Link Between Violent Video Games And Aggression In Teenagers
 
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1 Corinthians 10:31
31 Whether therefore you eat, or drink, or whatever you do, do all to the glory of God.

God has given us life for His purposes, not ours. He has set us upon the earth to fulfill His will, to be "vessels sanctified and meet for the Master's use." (2 Timothy 2:21) How does spending hour after hour immersed in the illusions of a video game, exerting one's self to accomplish ultimately pointless goals, glorify God and fulfill His purposes in the world? A wise man once wrote,

"Only one life,
'Twill soon be past.
Only what's done for Christ will last."

The Bible indicates that the person with a temporal view of life, who is investing only or primarily in the here-and-now, who does not order his present living under the reality of an eternity to come, is living foolishly. The believer is, instead, to "set his affections on things above, not on things on the earth." (Colossians 3:2) I can't think of anything that is more short-sighted, that ignores more completely the eternity that awaits us all, than video game play. All of the focus it requires, all of the time it consumes, all of the godless philosophies, and values, and ethics it promotes, all of the useless effort expended in accomplishment of goals that have no eternal worth whatever - these are all reasons that ought to discourage the Christian who is serious about their faith from video game play.

Jesus said that all those who would come after him, who would follow him as his disciples, would have to live lives of self-denial and sacrifice. (Matthew 16:24-25) In fact, he said that anyone who would not embrace such a life could not be his disciple. I see no self-denial whatever in video game play, however. It is entirely self-centered entertainment, serving no purpose but to please, and gratify, and (over) stimulate the player. And what's more, most video games are designed to foster chronic game play, even addiction. Many of those I know who most vigorously defend video gaming are addicted to it. They vow that they aren't - a common characteristic of the addict - but are playing many hours every day, spending far more time in game play, in fact, than any other activity in which they engage (except, sleeping, perhaps). How is God honored in this? How is a person secluded in their bedroom or basement for days on end, navigating an illusory world often filled with violence, and the demonic, and anti-Christian values, following after Christ in a life of holy self-denial?

The disciple of Christ has been given by God two primary mandates to fulfill: preaching the Gospel and making disciples. (Mark 16:15; Matthew 28:19-20; 2 Timothy 2:2) The Christian's life ought to be largely occupied by these things, not the endless distraction of an online MMORPG or the next installment of some constantly-expanding video game (ie. Final Fantasy or Dragon Age). When's the last time a chronic game player shared the Gospel with a person lost in sin and destined for hell? When's the last time he spent a couple of hours discipling a new or immature believer deeper into the faith? How can he when he is kept forever spiritually juvenile in his own faith, devoted as he is to the useless distraction of video games?

The basic purpose of every life God has made is to know God, and in knowing Him to love Him, and in loving Him, to delight in Him and live to His glory. How, exactly, does the endless distraction of video games fulfill these things? As far as I can see, generally, video games prevent the pursuit of God's basic purpose in creating all people.

1 Corinthians 10:31
31 Whether therefore you eat, or drink, or whatever you do, do all to the glory of God.
 
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1 Corinthians 10:31
31 Whether therefore you eat, or drink, or whatever you do, do all to the glory of God.

God has given us life for His purposes, not ours. He has set us upon the earth to fulfill His will, to be "vessels sanctified and meet for the Master's use." (2 Timothy 2:21) How does spending hour after hour immersed in the illusions of a video game, exerting one's self to accomplish ultimately pointless goals, glorify God and fulfill His purposes in the world? A wise man once wrote,

"Only one life,
'Twill soon be past.
Only what's done for Christ will last."

The Bible indicates that the person with a temporal view of life, who is investing only or primarily in the here-and-now, who does not order his present living under the reality of an eternity to come, is living foolishly. The believer is, instead, to "set his affections on things above, not on things on the earth." (Colossians 3:2) I can't think of anything that is more short-sighted, that ignores more completely the eternity that awaits us all, than video game play. All of the focus it requires, all of the time it consumes, all of the godless philosophies, and values, and ethics it promotes, all of the useless effort expended in accomplishment of goals that have no eternal worth whatever - these are all reasons that ought to discourage the Christian who is serious about their faith from video game play.

Jesus said that all those who would come after him, who would follow him as his disciples, would have to live lives of self-denial and sacrifice. (Matthew 16:24-25) In fact, he said that anyone who would not embrace such a life could not be his disciple. I see no self-denial whatever in video game play, however. It is entirely self-centered entertainment, serving no purpose but to please, and gratify, and (over) stimulate the player. And what's more, most video games are designed to foster chronic game play, even addiction. Many of those I know who most vigorously defend video gaming are addicted to it. They vow that they aren't - a common characteristic of the addict - but are playing many hours every day, spending far more time in game play, in fact, than any other activity in which they engage (except, sleeping, perhaps). How is God honored in this? How is a person secluded in their bedroom or basement for days on end, navigating an illusory world often filled with violence, and the demonic, and anti-Christian values, following after Christ in a life of holy self-denial?

The disciple of Christ has been given by God two primary mandates to fulfill: preaching the Gospel and making disciples. (Mark 16:15; Matthew 28:19-20; 2 Timothy 2:2) The Christian's life ought to be largely occupied by these things, not the endless distraction of an online MMORPG or the next installment of some constantly-expanding video game (ie. Final Fantasy or Dragon Age). When's the last time a chronic game player shared the Gospel with a person lost in sin and destined for hell? When's the last time he spent a couple of hours discipling a new or immature believer deeper into the faith? How can he when he is kept forever spiritually juvenile in his own faith, devoted as he is to the useless distraction of video games?

The basic purpose of every life God has made is to know God, and in knowing Him to love Him, and in loving Him, to delight in Him and live to His glory. How, exactly, does the endless distraction of video games fulfill these things? As far as I can see, generally, video games prevent the pursuit of God's basic purpose in creating all people.

1 Corinthians 10:31
31 Whether therefore you eat, or drink, or whatever you do, do all to the glory of God.


Well you're a fine one to talk about wasting hour upon hour on non-Godly activities.

On your profile it says " I am.......a movie buff....." so in other words you park yourself in front of the idiot box for hour after hour doing an un-Godly activity.

So what rights have you got to rebuke gamers when you're doing the same thing but using a different method?
 
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