Is this another theory without a god perhaps?

Pulchra · Nov 3, 2019

Found this video on youtube, what do you think of it:

Edit, summary of the video: It sort of explains I think how it all started with life itself in and empty and infinite space or void, but I guess it doesn`t explain how life itself came to be … energy turns into solid matter in the cold space and it remains it`s structure or build when it`s feeded new energy all the time, otherwise it turns to stone, but perhaps it doesn`t explain how life itself or this energy came from and to be, perhaps it always was or is just a god doing everything himself?

createdtoworship · Nov 3, 2019

where did the light beam come from? God's flashlight? Or from absolutely nothing? You really have two options. Either the light always existed, which is sort of rare to have something without causation. God however is outside of time and space itself. So if He is outside of the time/space continuum, then He has not beginning due to being outside of time and being massless. If you have a computer designed and manufactured by Dell for example, you don't have the programmers inside of the processor, changing the data. they program it from outside of the unit. Same way with God, how could He create a universe if he was sitting inside of it? Granted He is everywhere at once. I get that, but God is not limited by time, matter, or space. The light beam you speak of, would be limited by those things. space for instance. If you have light but you have no where for the light to go, then it would not really be effective in creating everything else. So your initial light causation, even if it is eternal, lacks a few details. Where for example did the space come from in which the light travels? Because as you admit, the light was traveling when it created all of existence. But the space was already there. The three dimensions of space does exist. The square footage of space for example, existed already. But where did it come from? Who created it? Or did it expand itself from nothing?

Tolworth John · Nov 3, 2019

How does nothing cause something?

Everything that has a begining has a cause.
If the universe has a begining what caused it?
Nothing did?
Something did?

Which is more believable?

section9+1 · Nov 3, 2019

Maybe spiritual is the true, solid reality. Creation is a product of imagination. God imagined it all. And to us it is as solid as we are since we are of it, but maybe us and everything else really just exists in an imaginary state of being. Sort of a dream. Anything can happen in an imaginary dream. And a dream can have a purpose and a goal. Maybe God's goal is to extract out of his imagination those who will be brought into the true reality when the dream ends.

Pulchra · Nov 3, 2019

Tolworth John said:
How does nothing cause something?

Everything that has a begining has a cause.
If the universe has a begining what caused it?
Nothing did?
Something did?

Which is more believable?

Yes, it`s a hard question really where everything came from, difficult to understand, but I guess it always was there perhaps instead of coming from nothing or it really came from nothing at all or a god

Pulchra · Nov 3, 2019

gradyll said:
where did the light beam come from? God's flashlight? Or from absolutely nothing? You really have two options. Either the light always existed, which is sort of rare to have something without causation. God however is outside of time and space itself. So if He is outside of the time/space continuum, then He has not beginning due to being outside of time and being massless. If you have a computer designed and manufactured by Dell for example, you don't have the programmers inside of the processor, changing the data. they program it from outside of the unit. Same way with God, how could He create a universe if he was sitting inside of it? Granted He is everywhere at once. I get that, but God is not limited by time, matter, or space. The light beam you speak of, would be limited by those things. space for instance. If you have light but you have no where for the light to go, then it would not really be effective in creating everything else. So your initial light causation, even if it is eternal, lacks a few details. Where for example did the space come from in which the light travels? Because as you admit, the light was traveling when it created all of existence. But the space was already there. The three dimensions of space does exist. The square footage of space for example, existed already. But where did it come from? Who created it? Or did it expand itself from nothing?

Ah, the lightbeam is life itself in video I think, sort of an higher intelligence like a god perhaps, well, space is just nothing and empty I guess and foreverlasting and infinite in all directions, it had no beginning, only the intelligence had a start perhaps … but I see your logical problem with this; where did it all come from this intelligence or god?

Pulchra · Nov 3, 2019

section9+1 said:
Maybe spiritual is the true, solid reality. Creation is a product of imagination. God imagined it all. And to us it is as solid as we are since we are of it, but maybe us and everything else really just exists in an imaginary state of being. Sort of a dream. Anything can happen in an imaginary dream. And a dream can have a purpose and a goal. Maybe God's goal is to extract out of his imagination those who will be brought into the true reality when the dream ends.

Good writings really, it`s very interesting how a god perhaps created it all by his imaginations, I didn`t think of so much really, but perhaps you`re onto something real, that there`s really is a god out there which started it all from nothing or perhaps it always was ...

JackRT · Nov 3, 2019

frankalexanderberg1985 said:
Found this video on youtube, what do you think of it:

Please note there is a new rule regarding the posting of videos. It reads, "Post a summary of the videos you post . An exception can be made for music videos.". Unless you are simply sharing music, please post a summary, or the gist, of the video you wish to share.

Pulchra · Nov 3, 2019

JackRT said:
Please note there is a new rule regarding the posting of videos. It reads, "Post a summary of the videos you post . An exception can be made for music videos.". Unless you are simply sharing music, please post a summary, or the gist, of the video you wish to share.

I will do, thanks for noticing

createdtoworship · Nov 3, 2019

frankalexanderberg1985 said:
Yes, it`s a hard question really where everything came from, difficult to understand, but I guess it always was there perhaps instead of coming from nothing or it really came from nothing at all or a god

frankalexanderberg1985 said:
Ah, the lightbeam is life itself in video I think, sort of an higher intelligence like a god perhaps, well, space is just nothing and empty I guess and foreverlasting and infinite in all directions, it had no beginning, only the intelligence had a start perhaps … but I see your logical problem with this; where did it all come from this intelligence or god?

space cannot always exist. Within space is actually quantum matter, they call it cold dark matter. In fact, and most of space has it. So space is not really nothing. It's something. And the universe as we know it, in the far reaches still has cold dark matter. So it is relatively simplistic an idea to say a light, or photons have intelligence, and that they are flying in eternal space. See my reservations about this theory? It has no scientific backing. However by the nature and definition of God Himself, we know that He is all knowing, all powerful, and everywhere at once. So it is much much much more logical to believe God created the universe than to believe smart photons traveling in eternal space created it. It is possible, but not plausible. I mean a leprechaun could have created the universe, that is possible, but not plausible.

Pulchra · Nov 4, 2019

gradyll said:
space cannot always exist. Within space is actually quantum matter, they call it cold dark matter. In fact, and most of space has it. So space is not really nothing. It's something. And the universe as we know it, in the far reaches still has cold dark matter. So it is relatively simplistic an idea to say a light, or photons have intelligence, and that they are flying in eternal space. See my reservations about this theory? It has no scientific backing. However by the nature and definition of God Himself, we know that He is all knowing, all powerful, and everywhere at once. So it is much much much more logical to believe God created the universe than to believe smart photons traveling in eternal space created it. It is possible, but not plausible. I mean a leprechaun could have created the universe, that is possible, but not plausible.

Dark matter is just a theory which i don`t believe in myself

createdtoworship · Nov 4, 2019

frankalexanderberg1985 said:
Dark matter is just a theory which i don`t believe in myself

evolution is a theory too, which many accept on faith. And I can assure you there is way more evidence for cold dark matter than for macro evolution. So at this point we can look into the evidence for cold dark matter if you wish.... here is a great author that I love to quote regarding science and most things technical....

Missing Matter Discovered!: The Boundaries of Our Reality: Part 4 – Chuck Missler – Koinonia House

Tolworth John · Nov 5, 2019

frankalexanderberg1985 said:
Yes, it`s a hard question really where everything came from, difficult to understand, but I guess it always was there perhaps instead of coming from nothing or it really came from nothing at all or a god

Yes the question is hard, but the possible answers are even harder.
Matter/universe has always exsisted, er why then does anything exsist now, why haven't the finite stars burnt themselves out in the course of infinity?

Matter/energyetc/universe came from nothing, er our science and philosophy says this is not possible, so not an option.
last option something supernatural, that exsists out side of time and space caused it all to begin.

As I said the answer is far more awkward than the question.
Do you believe in mystic aliens from another dimension or in a supernatural entity that created the universe.
How can you find out about such beings as our science only works in ths dimension?

Of course the Christian answer is that the bible tells you about it.

Pulchra · Nov 5, 2019

gradyll said:
evolution is a theory too, which many accept on faith. And I can assure you there is way more evidence for cold dark matter than for macro evolution. So at this point we can look into the evidence for cold dark matter if you wish.... here is a great author that I love to quote regarding science and most things technical....

Missing Matter Discovered!: The Boundaries of Our Reality: Part 4 – Chuck Missler – Koinonia House

hehe I believe you, I will check it out

Pulchra · Nov 5, 2019

Tolworth John said:
Yes the question is hard, but the possible answers are even harder.
Matter/universe has always exsisted, er why then does anything exsist now, why haven't the finite stars burnt themselves out in the course of infinity?

Matter/energyetc/universe came from nothing, er our science and philosophy says this is not possible, so not an option.
last option something supernatural, that exsists out side of time and space caused it all to begin.

As I said the answer is far more awkward than the question.
Do you believe in mystic aliens from another dimension or in a supernatural entity that created the universe.
How can you find out about such beings as our science only works in ths dimension?

Of course the Christian answer is that the bible tells you about it.

It`s a very good questions why stars haven`t burned out yet because most people today believe the suns will burn out and therefore end life on planets, but there`s a logical flaw to it because then all life on all planets would og a slow and painful death in the future as planets gets colder … exactly my point, if that`s the reality why aren`t People thinking about it already when hearing about suns burning out and being afraid of it, it seems people are smarter than we think

Tolworth John · Nov 8, 2019

frankalexanderberg1985 said:
It`s a very good questions why stars haven`t burned out yet because most people today believe the suns will burn out and therefore end life on planets, but there`s a logical flaw to it because then all life on all planets would og a slow and painful death in the future as planets gets colder … exactly my point, if that`s the reality why aren`t People thinking about it already when hearing about suns burning out and being afraid of it, it seems people are smarter than we think

You miss the point devide infinity by a finet amount and you get nothing.

If the universe has always existed then all the stars would already have burnt out so the reasonable conclusion is that the universe has not always exsisted.

Pulchra · Nov 8, 2019

Tolworth John said:
You miss the point devide infinity by a finet amount and you get nothing.

If the universe has always existed then all the stars would already have burnt out so the reasonable conclusion is that the universe has not always exsisted.

I still think space always was but

Larniavc · Nov 8, 2019

Tolworth John said:
How does nothing cause something?

There are particles zipping in and out of existence all the time in a vacuum.

So there really can never be nothing.

Tolworth John · Nov 9, 2019

Larnievc said:
There are particles zipping in and out of existence all the time in a vacuum.

So there really can never be nothing.

For quantem effects to operate there has to be quantum science rules. So if particles care ziping in and out there isn't nothing.

Larniavc · Nov 9, 2019

Tolworth John said:
For quantem effects to operate there has to be quantum science rules. So if particles care ziping in and out there isn't nothing.

As I said. There cannot be ‘nothing’. But we can say that from a pint of detecting nothing we then spontaneously detect something.

And rules are descriptive rather than prescriptive.

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