What Do You Think These UFOs/UAPs Are?

I am of the opinion that intelligent life forms, possibly more intelligent than humans, inhabit other planets in this very vast universe of ours, but I doubt they have visited Earth.

jamesbond007 said:

First, let me explain what UAPs are for those not familiar with the term. It stands for "Unidentified Aerial Phenomenon." It is a new term that the Navy and some people want to use now as evidence for UFOs (Unidentified Flying Objects) have been leaked. UFOs are perceived by the majority to be science fiction and associated with a delusional group of people.

"In December 2017, two videos emerged that showed Navy pilots encountering mysterious spherical objects that appeared, at first glance, to move through the air in ways that baffled experts. A third, released in March 2018, depicted a similar encounter.

Everyone who watched — including the pilots who filmed them — had the same question: What, exactly, are these things?

Last week, a Navy official publicly called these mysterious objects “Unidentified Aerial Phenomena (UAP),” giving name to the inscrutable little dots and reigniting scrutiny around the unidentified flying objects (a term the Navy does not want to use even though the objects that are flying cannot be identified.)"

https://www.washingtonpost.com/nati...os-are-real-navy-says-please-stop-saying-ufo/

Here are video and news explanation of the phenomenon:

Tucker Carlson Fox News

Senators Briefed on UFO Sightings by Navy Pilots - CNN

I remember as a kid reading about Cosmos show founder, Carl Sagan, and how he criticized UFO sightings and believers because there were no trained observer sightings. He was the scientist who sent satellites with a human time capsule in order to show aliens who found them that another intelligent life group exists. That turned out to be a huge waste of money.

From the Christian side, their creation scientists have had a thesis for this. We do not believe in aliens because God did not say he created aliens and it would cause some problems with other parts of Scripture if aliens were found. Instead, we are told that Satan and his demons live in the second heaven, i.e. in Earth's atmosphere. Satan is the prince of the power of the air. Sometimes, they are able to come down to the first heavens which would be our skies. Thus, this is some type of illusion and what is being observed will always remain unidentified. Obviously, they have kept this theory to themselves as secular/atheist scientists such as Carl Sagan have kept the UFO sightings to themselves. Now the cat's out of the bag.

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So, do these things pop up in identical fashion in other countries, or do they just have a penchant for swarming U.S. navy planes near U.S. soil?

2PhiloVoid said:

So, do these things pop up in identical fashion in other countries, or do they just have a penchant for swarming U.S. navy planes near U.S. soil?

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First time recorded was from Sodom and Gomorra.

Genesis 18:20

They're obviously meatballs from the flying spagetti monster.

jamesbond007 said:

First, let me explain what UAPs are for those not familiar with the term. It stands for "Unidentified Aerial Phenomenon." It is a new term that the Navy and some people want to use now as evidence for UFOs (Unidentified Flying Objects) have been leaked. UFOs are perceived by the majority to be science fiction and associated with a delusional group of people.

"In December 2017, two videos emerged that showed Navy pilots encountering mysterious spherical objects that appeared, at first glance, to move through the air in ways that baffled experts. A third, released in March 2018, depicted a similar encounter.

Everyone who watched — including the pilots who filmed them — had the same question: What, exactly, are these things?

Last week, a Navy official publicly called these mysterious objects “Unidentified Aerial Phenomena (UAP),” giving name to the inscrutable little dots and reigniting scrutiny around the unidentified flying objects (a term the Navy does not want to use even though the objects that are flying cannot be identified.)"

https://www.washingtonpost.com/nati...os-are-real-navy-says-please-stop-saying-ufo/

Here are video and news explanation of the phenomenon:

Tucker Carlson Fox News

Senators Briefed on UFO Sightings by Navy Pilots - CNN

I remember as a kid reading about Cosmos show founder, Carl Sagan, and how he criticized UFO sightings and believers because there were no trained observer sightings. He was the scientist who sent satellites with a human time capsule in order to show aliens who found them that another intelligent life group exists. That turned out to be a huge waste of money.

From the Christian side, their creation scientists have had a thesis for this. We do not believe in aliens because God did not say he created aliens and it would cause some problems with other parts of Scripture if aliens were found. Instead, we are told that Satan and his demons live in the second heaven, i.e. in Earth's atmosphere. Satan is the prince of the power of the air. Sometimes, they are able to come down to the first heavens which would be our skies. Thus, this is some type of illusion and what is being observed will always remain unidentified. Obviously, they have kept this theory to themselves as secular/atheist scientists such as Carl Sagan have kept the UFO sightings to themselves. Now the cat's out of the bag.

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All the alien agenda is one of the last days deception that shall come , and when Jesus takes away his people they will probably blame it on aliens kidnapping people away or something similar.

Not all UFO are demons they are simply angels going up and down , both evil and good , these who sinned greatly are chained up untill judgement tho.

Also stop watching popular news it's all garbage and deception not only about ufo .

jamesbond007 said:

I would think they have been reported elsewhere, but their government may not believe them. As more and more people accept these UFOs/UAPs sightings, then we'll be able to get more information and video on them.

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Yes, it'll be interesting to see how it develops, that's for sure. Thanks for the info and vids in your OP, JB!

jamesbond007 said:

There is no evidence of it.

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It would be weird if tiny little Earth was the only planet hosting intelligent life forms.

Quackduck said:

It would be weird if tiny little Earth was the only planet hosting intelligent life forms.

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I think that it’s the ultimate in hubris to believe that G-d created this incredibly vast universe just for us.

ruthiesea said:

I think that it’s the ultimate in hubris to believe that G-d created this incredibly vast universe just for us.

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Which makes even less sense.

jamesbond007 said:

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From the Christian side, their creation scientists have had a thesis for this. We do not believe in aliens because God did not say he created aliens and it would cause some problems with other parts of Scripture if aliens were found. Instead, we are told that Satan and his demons live in the second heaven, i.e. in Earth's atmosphere. Satan is the prince of the power of the air. Sometimes, they are able to come down to the first heavens which would be our skies. Thus, this is some type of illusion and what is being observed will always remain unidentified. Obviously, they have kept this theory to themselves as secular/atheist scientists such as Carl Sagan have kept the UFO sightings to themselves. Now the cat's out of the bag.

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It's true, God's Word does not even hint that aliens from other planets exist.

But God's Word does 'hint' about the existence of objects seen in the sky similar to what some modern day observers claim to have seen.

In Ezekiel 1:4, per the Hebrew, "colour of amber" is 'ayin chasmal', the Strong's Concordance defining 'chasmal' as:

OT:2830
chashmal (khash-mal'); of uncertain derivation; probably bronze or polished spectrum metal:

KJV - amber.
(Biblesoft's New Exhaustive Strong's Numbers and Concordance with Expanded Greek-Hebrew Dictionary. Copyright © 1994, 2003, 2006, 2010 Biblesoft, Inc. and International Bible Translators, Inc.)

Ezek 1:7
7 And their feet were straight feet; and the sole of their feet was like the sole of a calf's foot: and they sparkled like the colour of burnished brass.
KJV

The Hebrew for "burnished brass" means brightened (i.e., polished) copper, or metal. And they were straight, suggesting landing gear. (Ezekiel was simply trying to describe what he saw based on the natural things he knew of in his day.)

Ezekiel was describing the wheels being on their sides. A wheel in Ezekiel's day would most likely be a cart wheel in vertical position. But these wheels went upon their sides, like a cart wheel turned 90 degrees, laying flat horizontal. And when they went they did not turn. That is how a circular flying object would move, it wouldn't point to the direction it went, it would just go. (Ezekiel 1:17).


UFOs Explained:

There are two different dimensions of existence written about in God's Word, this earthly one, and the heavenly one that exists behind a veil, a dimension that we cannot see, but is where God and the angels dwell, and also the dimension where God's Paradise is, and also Satan's abode of haides or hell.

The interpretation of 2 Corinthians 12 about the idea of the "third heaven" isn't really about 3 levels of Heaven. It is actually about 'time', the future 'new heavens and a new earth' timing, which is the 3rd world earth age in God's Word (see 2 Peter 3 and Romans 8). The 1st world earth age was at the time before Satan rebelled, a time when God said He created him perfect in his ways. Today is the 2nd world earth age. And the 3rd is the world to come after Jesus returns and thereafter.

UFO observers have reported seeing these objects suddenly appear, and then just as quickly disappear. That further supports the idea that these objects are from that other dimension of existence behind a veil, hidden from our sight. It also would explain how those objects have been observed moving at lightening speed and seemingly without being subject to our world's laws of physics. The laws involving that other dimension of the heavenly are under a different code than ours. God's Word shows this with angels suddenly appearing to flesh man on earth, and then disappearing, and also having supernatural powers that those born in the flesh don't have (like in Genesis 19 with the two angels blinding the sodomites).

Thus those who stay in God's Word will not be surprised at the existence of UFOs that are not of this earthly dimension. If angels can appear and disappear on earth, as God's Word does show, then no marvel that some UFOs are objects from that other dimension that suddenly appear and disappear are of the heavenly too.

It's clearly obvious that certain leaders on this earth want to hide this matter from the public. Well, they cannot hide God's Word about it, so they have been forced to declare us Christians as mostly conspiracy theorists as well. Lot of them don't even believe in God and that angels exist, so naturally they would think they're right. But they aren't.

Another reason for hiding this matter from the public using the old conspiracy theorist label is because of what is coming upon this earth for the end of days, just prior to Christ's return. God's Word warns of a final false Christ is to come at the end of this world working great signs and miracles, raining fire down from heaven in the sight of men. Revelation 12:7 forward declares a war in the heavenly between Archangel Michael and his angels vs. Satan and his angels, and Satan and his are then booted down to this earth, in OUR dimension. That Scripture says after that war there will be no more place found for him in Heaven. There's only one other place he can go, and it's to our earthly dimension. And the Scripture says his angels will be booted down to earth with him. This is why the world leaders do not want this matter of the unidentified objects from that other dimension made public. They simply want the world to be 'taken' by surprise when Satan and his angels get here, in OUR dimension.

John 14:28-30
28 Ye have heard how I said unto you, I go away, and come again unto you. If ye loved Me, ye would rejoice, because I said, I go unto the Father: for My Father is greater than I.

29 And now I have told you before it come to pass, that, when it is come to pass, ye might believe.

30 Hereafter I will not talk much with you: for the prince of this world cometh, and hath nothing in Me.
KJV

Likely just demons playing around with people - the Antichrist will do many miracles. People have been darkened to spiritual warfare and trust in Hollywood writer fictions propagandized for generations.

St Gabriel of Georgia, 1929-1995
During the Antichrist times, the strongest temptation will be anticipation of salvation from the cosmos, from humanoids, extraterrestrials that are actually the demons. One should rarely look up at the sky, as the signs might be deceptive and thus one may be ruined.

Hiermonk Seraphim (Rose) wrote in his study of UFOs (in Orthodoxy and the Religion of the Future): "Science fiction has giving the images, evolution has produced the philosophy, and the technology of the 'space age' has supplied the plausibility for such encounters".

By contrast, Bishop Ignatius Brianchaninov wrote a century ago: "The perception of spirits with eyes of the sense always brings harm, sometimes greater sometimes less, to men who do not have spiritual perception... He will unfailingly be deceived, he will unfailingly be attracted, he will unfailingly be sealed with the seal of deception...the seal of a frightful injury to his spirit; and further, the possibility of correction and salvation is often lost. This has happened with many, very many. It has happened not only with pagans, whose priests were for the most part in open "communion" with demons; it has happened not only with many Christians who do not know the mysteries of Christianity... it has [also] happened with many strugglers and monks..." (quoted in The Soul After Death, Fr. Seraphim Rose, p.68)
UFO's: The Shattering Assault by Father Alexey Young

I think it’s demons trying to get our focus to be on space and another planet to be our salvation. It completely takes the focus off Jesus and this earth. It’s a blind alley and will never get that far.

Glad to see someone mentioned Ezekiel here with regards to spherical UFOs. Anyway, the Bible makes it quite clear that aliens exist, and have visited earth in the past, both with and without the consent of God.

Angels saved Lot from Sodom. Visited Abraham twice. Wrestled with Jacob and injured him. Visited Mary. In several cases where prophets had dreams, they may also have been abductions interpreted as dreams by the prophet. (Daniel, Ezekiel and Revelation perhaps)

Angels disobeyed in Enoch's time and disrupted the earth to an extent that God thought it necessary to wipe out much of life with a flood. (I know there are a few denominations with other beliefs about this particular story.)

By any modern definition, these are all alien encounters. Whether these particular encounters are something different or not, I don't think anyone can say.

If it were to turn out that some planet in the Andromeda galaxy contains some form of life, intelligent or not; it would not preclude the message of the Bible. If they came here and occupied the planet like a race of Cylons or something, that would be a different story. The potential existence is only a problem for Christians with a very limited view of the intended interpretation of the Bible, which is focused on our particular problems, not that of space.

But what are they going to do with Jesus if there is other life?

Who knows? Maybe they listened when they were given a simple rule and so there was no sin to redeem?

Wanting to make the majority of people today believe that aliens exist, i.e., life on other planets, is one of the goals of world leaders, not a belief per God's Word about angels. There is a huge contrast between those two beliefs.

One of the ways they bombard the alien theory today is through ideas that aliens planted human DNA here on earth eons ago. This was actually Richard Dawkins response, the world's leading atheist in Britain, when asked by Ben Stein how he thought human life on earth got started (see Expelled: No Intelligence Allowed by Ben Stein).

The subtle goal seems to me to ensure that when Christ returns/God enacts judgement, etc. that as many people as possible believe that he is an alien force bent on doing humanity harm. This is probably the first generation in history that might actually believe this.

With regards to the theory about aliens planting human DNA here on earth (ignoring for the fact that God did exactly that with Adam), if that were true all it would do is punt down the road a question about who created the aliens?