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YesHave you compared the Apostle's signs and wonders to what passes for miracles today?
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YesHave you compared the Apostle's signs and wonders to what passes for miracles today?
That complete thing coming couldn't be the completion of the Bible, like WT teaches it is, the religion I used to believe in. Why? Because Paul died well before the Bible as we know it today was complete. So, we can throw that idea out the window. It doesn't make any sense in light of Paul's scriptures.
Since it occurs after Paul's death the increased knowledge is obviously increased knowledge about God, the Father , Son, and heavenly things centered around God's purpose for Paul.
It is not the gifts that cease, it is the partial aspect of them that ceases.
When we see Christ face-to-face (the perfection coming) then we will know in full and prophesy in full. No need for partial prophecy when we know the whole, as we are fully known.
See Acts 2:17 &18 where Peter states what the New Testament authors' view of scriptural "last days" was. That it began at Pentecost with the pouring of God's Spirit, resulting in miraculous dreams and visions and prophecy; compare that to what Peter at wrote 2Peter 3:3-10. There he states the "last days" only end when this world ends.
And 2Peter 3:3-10 is the only statement of scripture that reveals when the NT last days end. Acts:2:17-18 tells us when they begin. There is no scripture that states pouring out of Spirit with resultant dreams, visions, and prophecy stopped when the last days began. Instead Acts states God does that in the last days. It does not say he stopped before the last days end. Neither are there any NT scripture that state the last days start and stop with a break in-between. There is no last days #1 and last days #2 in scripture. Scriptures imply apostles viewed that period as one long time period.
I don't; I believe that God used her and healed through her.
There ARE people who have a gift of healing, because the Spirit has not withdrawn his gifts. That women was not one of them, but there's no doubt that God healed me, immediately and supernaturally, that day, without formal prayer or without there being a healing service.
Strange that you think that someone who has a gift of healing will just need to touch someone/rub shoulders with them in the street to heal, without needing to ask their heavenly Father to heal.
Paul says we are to pray at all times, 1 Thessalonians 5:16-18, Ephesians 6:18. He said that when we don't know how to pray, the Spirit - i.e the One who gives gifts - prays for us, Romans 8:27. As I said, Jesus prayed often. He was God, and he prayed, as an example to us - yet you talk about people "resorting to prayer", as if communicating with our heavenly Father was a desperate, last ditch attempt to get something done.
But it's illogical to jump to the conclusion that they had no communication at all with God because Scripture does not say that they prayed.
Neither does it mean that they didn't.
There may be no indication; again, it doesn't mean they didn't pray.
As you can't prove that none of them didn't silently say "Father please heal this person", you can't judge that the gift of supernatural healing never needs prayer.
Jesus returned to Nazareth and taught in their synagogue. They wanted to see miracles, but Jesus denied them. They got upset with him (Luke 4).But, the Apostles had gift that proved their apostleship.
“Truly the signs of an apostle were wrought among you in all patience, in signs, and wonders, and mighty deeds.” 2 Corinthians 12:12 (KJV 1900)
The canon I wrote about ended with the Book of Revelation. Other books have been written. Other works have been done.Where is it WRITTEN by GOD, that the canon is closed? Which fundamentalists chiseled that tombstone to the living WORD of God? And why do we still walk in agreement with those who began the Great Apostasy. A spiritual decline which climaxed after 500 years of the church walking in those spiritual things which we today desire to raise from the burial grave of orthodoxy's beginning. Personally I have a number of written words which were spoken to me. And their truths dull the shovels of those who've buried the living word, only to exalt to worshipful status, 'the dead letter' of the law of liberty. It has been a sad commentary to see the staff of life become the club of death in the hands of those refusing to walk in the Spirit.
At the time of Paul's writing the early church needed prophecy and words of knowledge to guide them in the faith in the absence of a New Testament.
It matters not which “canon” anyone thinks is closed. My question still stands unchallenged; By whose authority was this orthodox ‘litmus’ made?The canon I wrote about ended with the Book of Revelation. Other books have been written. Other works have been done.
Can you explain how having a NT in your hand can in any way replace the Living Word through the Holy Spirit that Paul needed to walk wisely in God's purpose?
Take for example Acts 13...
While they were worshiping the Lord and fasting,
the Holy Spirit said,
“Set apart for Me Barnabas and Saul for the work to which I have called them.”
This was through the gift of Prophesy...
The NT was not given to replace the living word within and the gifts needed to determine the exact intent of God's heart in the specific circumstances and times they faced.
That is not what Scripture is for.
That is to gag the Holy Spirit within - no more specific guidance allowed...
No wonder insistence on a Silent Holy Spirit within has resulted in more than a thousand years of limited fruit in the church.
This was needed so faith could be 'controlled' by a apostate church.
Praise God that a fresh breath is blowing on the bones, again individuals are standing on their feet with His Word within, alive again by His breath. Moving in Gifts long lost.
Be very careful in this late hour not to attribute His work to the Devil by holding onto man made theologies that have conveniently justified a muted church.
I dare to 'prophesy to the bones' as it were - not to support the staged circus that passes for a spiritual awakening in some branches of the modern church, rather individuals that have walked the walk of obedience and know His voice - care for the lost as He did - heal and set free as He did -
He will not let the world slide into deep deception without raising up His army to demonstrate His love - not as museum curators of a lost faith, but living lights in simple obedience doing the 'Greater Things' that He promised.
Who among us will prophesy to the bones ?
Then cover one's head and wait for the stones?
Big difference between the real and "hearsay" without a shred of documentation.
And Jesus couldn't heal in certain towns because He couldn't prove He was in-network.Big difference between the real and "hearsay" without a shred of documentation.
And Jesus couldn't heal in certain towns because He couldn't prove He was in-network.
What do you mean by this?And Jesus couldn't heal in certain towns because He couldn't prove He was in-network.
It means that people who insist on worldly proof of spiritual works are going to be very disappointed. God don't work that way.What do you mean by this?
The gift of prophecy was indeed active in the church at Antioch as it was in other first century churches. But now that prophecy has ceased we are guided by scripture which is sufficient for us to be thoroughly equipped for EVERY good work (2 Tim 3:16) and through which we have everything we need for life (2 Peter 1:3). It is a lamp to our feet and a light to our path (Ps 119:105) and we are warned not to go beyond what is written therein (1 Cor 4:6).
What we see today in the charismatic church is not the gift of prophecy. People have feelings or thoughts popping into their head which are then declared to be a "God told me" word from the Lord. That is never how prophecy is described in scripture.
You quoted from Acts 13. When the Holy Spirit said, “Set apart for Me Barnabas and Saul for the work to which I have called them.”, those were the actual words that were spoken to the prophet. If it wasn't then Luke was lying. It wasn't thoughts popping into their heads and then declared to be a 'word from the Lord' as we see today.
This is how scripture describes people who claim prophecies from their thoughts and feelings....
Jer 14:14 “The prophets are prophesying lies in my name. I have not sent them or appointed them or spoken to them. They are prophesying to you false visions, divinations, idolatries and the delusions of their own minds.
Jer 23:16 “Do not listen to what the prophets are prophesying to you; they fill you with false hopes. They speak visions from their own minds, not from the mouth of the Lord."
As I predicted the stones will come...
What is wrong with you guys?
I sit having dinner with Esther Dorflinger in Jerusalem. Half way through the meal I am overcome with a deep urgency to leave immediately in the middle of the meal !
In obedience to this inner urgency I jump in a Taxi and rush back to the House in Gilo in which I was staying.
As the taxi pulls up in the pouring rain I see the Husband running down the road. I yell out what is wrong? He yells back my wife is having a heart attack I'm getting the GP.
I go into the house and she is crying out not to be taken because her children were still young.
I feel her pulse - light fluttery 132
She tells me her aunt died of the same symptoms at the same age.
What do I do - ring the Pastor to come and pray?
No.. it is clearly for me to respond.
By this time I realised that there was a spiritual component to the infirmity so I dealt with that and prayed for healing.
She was fully restored in about 2 minutes and never had a relapse. This was 1983. PM me and I will give the name if you feel you must know.
You are insisting I have to believe that Satan spoke to me in the middle of the meal and had me rush across the city to see a woman, crying out to the Lord - healed???
As I said... the stones would fall...
No you won't.Your experience does not define doctrine. From my perspective it is just another unsubstantiated 'story'. Show me from scripture that is how prophecy operates then I might be persuaded.