Could you help me by pointing to any who are caught up in the mistake of works-justification? I think I could possibly help them, because too often people argue when they should instead read more fully in scripture.
Some Christians feel that other Christians who believe that our works in Christ are a means by which God's grace saves us are not Christians, are not going to be saved (in a theologically Baptistic sense), or are not going to Heaven. Which is sad.
There is also a difficulty in people just understanding the different wordings different groups use. One of the real challenges for Catholics I think is to notice the different ways other believers are using words than the way Catholics do, even words as basic as 'faith' or 'works' sometimes, and how that can result in many misunderstanding what a Catholic is saying. One thing that could help if you are talking with someone in depth on salvation is actually point out that Catholics believe we are justified by Grace through faith -- just to let them know of that common belief. I found the wording in the catechism helped me get that when individual Catholics did not.
I think a lot of Protestants misunderstand this deeply. We believe that we are saved by grace through faith, but not through faith *alone*. And again, it is God's grace which saves us through our works in Christ, not we ourselves. So, there is a lot of nuance which perhaps gets missed, or skipped.
THis is real weird way ot describing man's need for SALVATION.
He followed the will of the Father and not His own or man's in order to fulfil what was required of Him to bring about the Kingdom offered by the Father out of His grace. An alternative to death. Another choice, life or death once the original price was paid by man.Notice he didn't take away the original punishment? He just opened another door.
Yes they put their will before the will of God. God has been trying to convince self serving man to reverse that mistake ever since. He even offered the Kingdom and it's ways backwards to man's, as incentive. Jesus didn't reverse our sin of self serving ways. He offered an alternative to those who were sick of being self serving disgusting self justifying humans.
Your views on this so-called "alternative ways" is just strange.
Sorry but God told Adam and Eve one way. They chose and followed the opposite. God told the people that left Egypt one way, they chose to do the opposite. Jesus told us God;'s way and that it was opposite to the ways of man, and they not only chose the opposite and killed Him but switched around the following religion to work with the world of man rather than as an alternative to it as He taught.
Actually, He did no such thing. He created man and woman, placed them in a garden and gave them only 1 rule; don't eat of a certain tree. That wasn't a "way". It was a command. They disobeyed the command. God provided the way for them to be restored to relationship with Him through the sacrifice of His Son.
So, now you've identified 2 "ways" for people to go. How many of these "way" has God given to people? And which is the very best "way" to go, since there seems to be many.
Could you at this time clarify exactly what you think is "God's way"? Since you have noted 2 different ways already. God didn't tell Adam and Eve to leave Egypt, nor did He tell the Jews to not eat of a forbidden tree.
What ever are you talking about? What is "stoen knowledge of good and evil", and who stole it?
Is this what you mean by "God's way"? And will doing this allow one to enter heaven?
I don't sit in hard pews.
Yes, through His Kingdom rather than man's authority. Before that as one example, Solomon who was an earthly king, followed God's Kingdom for a time and the land prospered. When he reverted to man's ways, the blessings stopped. The same will apply to everyone who follows suit. So the possibilities of a relationship was always there. What Jesus accomplished was the physical Kingdom. A replacement for this prison world but where not all prisoners will be set free to enter without repentance.change.
God's way or man's way. Obviously God's way is better
God's way is selfless, thus loving neighbour as self. Man's way is for the most part self serving, selfish. Both Adam /Eve and the people of Israel (not just the Jews) both put thir own will ahead of God. That is sin.
'Man' was told not to eat of the tree but they did. They stole what was not theirs to take.
Love and selflessness, servitude to the needs of others is God's way. Jesus taught and set the example vand said go and do likewise, follow His commandments. Saying oneself is saved and bypassing that is simply being a Lord Lord.
Reality of the Kingdom is often hard for those trained by the world. They know or see no other way, obviously not having learned of the Kingdom. Jesus taught a counter-culture to the world man has devised. Like stepping through the looking glass. One only need to look at the world and the teachings of man as backwards and the Kingdom becomes clear. Just as those of the Kingdom find it hard to fit in this world, those of the word will find no place in the Kingdom. What would be the sense of God creating a new world the same as the old one?
Obviously - just as I said in my OP.
How about just giving a clear and simple answer to the jailer's question:
lol. Seems you don't know the Scripure.
No we need scripture.
