BREXIT: Revocation

Goonie · Aug 20, 2019

Francis Drake said:
Better still, leave the EU on no deal to save our nation.

That is not what the evidence says. It will destroy us economically, it will break up the union, and open the doors to hatred and bigotry.

mindlight · Aug 20, 2019

Looks like plan Boris is to do hard Brexit, then he will probably have to call an election to secure a mandate to govern in the situation that follows. Then if he wins that, which is very probable against Corbyn he will have to spend his entire parliamentary term trying to hold the country together.

The biggest barrier to MPs uniting around Revocation right now is that Corbyn is the man who claims to be the alternative to Boris and very few people outside a bunch of Marxist activists want to see him as PM. Without Corbyn Revocation is still possible.

Francis Drake · Aug 20, 2019

Goonie said:
That is not what the evidence says. It will destroy us economically, it will break up the union, and open the doors to hatred and bigotry.

You're obviously on the Project Fear payroll if you believe that silliness.

Kalevalatar · Aug 21, 2019

UK yields voting rights to Finland, officials to skip meetings

The UK government announced on Tuesday (20 August) that its officials will stop attending most EU meetings as of 1 September in order to focus efforts elsewhere ahead of its expected withdrawal from the bloc. London will also cede its voting rights to Finland in areas that are no longer of interest.

Non-attendance by a member state would potentially obstruct EU decision-making, as abstentions in votes could skew the outcome when it comes to Union business.

Brexit negotiator David Frost told fellow diplomats in the note that Finland should use its power of attorney over the British vote “in a way that does not prevent the EU from moving ahead”.

Goonie · Aug 21, 2019

Francis Drake said:
You're obviously on the Project Fear payroll if you believe that silliness.

Sorry but paying attention to warnings from economists, the Bank of England, the CBI and using ones brain there is only one intelligent conclusion. A no deal brexit that will tear apart the supply chains for British businesses, increase costs and regulations, will inevitably be terrible for the economy.

This is not project fear, it is observing reality.

LionL · Aug 21, 2019

Francis Drake said:
Better still, leave the EU on no deal to save our nation.

If shortages of food and medicine, a tumbling pound, unemployment, inflation and having to accept American food standards are 'saving our nation', the yes. Meanwhile, in the real world, we will stop Brexit or, if that cannot be done, rejoin the EU within 5 years.

Francis Drake · Aug 21, 2019

Goonie said:
Sorry but paying attention to warnings from economists, the Bank of England, the CBI and using ones brain there is only one intelligent conclusion. A no deal brexit that will tear apart the supply chains for British businesses, increase costs and regulations, will inevitably be terrible for the economy.

This is not project fear, it is observing reality.

Its never reality until proven by events, and UK economists, the Bank of England, and the CBI etc. all have a long track record of being consistently wrong in their forecasts.
People wanting to know the future after Brexit would do better to look at the tea leaves in the bottom of their cup, or reading their horoscope, than listening to these biased muppets.

Never forget that the CBI campaigned for Britain to join the ERM, exchange rate mechanism, which was a massive disaster for the national economy and destroyed countless businesses.

Why economic forecasting has always been a flawed science
The CBI and the EU

Francis Drake · Aug 21, 2019

LionL said:
If shortages of food and medicine, a tumbling pound, unemployment, inflation and having to accept American food standards are 'saving our nation', the yes. Meanwhile, in the real world, we will stop Brexit or, if that cannot be done, rejoin the EU within 5 years.

Another shill for the EU.

Nithavela · Aug 21, 2019

Francis Drake said:
Another shill for the EU.

One of those days you will have to come to the conclusion that not everyone disagreeing with you is a fool.

Goonie · Aug 21, 2019

Francis Drake said:
Its never reality until proven by events, and UK economists, the Bank of England, and the CBI etc. all have a long track record of being consistently wrong in their forecasts.
People wanting to know the future after Brexit would do better to look at the tea leaves in the bottom of their cup, or reading their horoscope, than listening to these biased muppets.

Never forget that the CBI campaigned for Britain to join the ERM, exchange rate mechanism, which was a massive disaster for the national economy and destroyed countless businesses.

Why economic forecasting has always been a flawed science
The CBI and the EU

And I repeat tearing down supply chains, increasing costs through having to pay tariffs, negotiate red tape, destabilising the uk economy will be disastrous for the Uk economy.

It is an observed fact that when you increase the cost of doing business, tear apart a businesses supply chain, business and the economy will suffer. It is hard to predict the amount of damage to the economy, but all evidence from the past says it will be bad, economists are just as likely to be underestimating the disaster.

It is dishonest to think there will be no/little significant damage to the economy.

Goonie · Aug 21, 2019

LionL said:
If shortages of food and medicine, a tumbling pound, unemployment, inflation and having to accept American food standards are 'saving our nation', the yes. Meanwhile, in the real world, we will stop Brexit or, if that cannot be done, rejoin the EU within 5 years.

As I’ve said the Tories are aiming for no brexit, and sabotaging any future governments attempts to rejoin. So from the home office planning to treat eu citizens like the windrush immigrants, to refusing to pay £39billion owed, to a trade deal with the US which will carry billions, if not trillions of pounds of penalties if the UK rejoins the EU.

Kalevalatar · Aug 22, 2019

Francis Drake said:
Its never reality until proven by events, and UK economists, the Bank of England, and the CBI etc. all have a long track record of being consistently wrong in their forecasts.
People wanting to know the future after Brexit would do better to look at the tea leaves in the bottom of their cup, or reading their horoscope, than listening to these biased muppets.

Never forget that the CBI campaigned for Britain to join the ERM, exchange rate mechanism, which was a massive disaster for the national economy and destroyed countless businesses.

Why economic forecasting has always been a flawed science
The CBI and the EU

We shall see in three months' time and one side gets to tell 'I told you so.'

LionL · Aug 22, 2019

Francis Drake said:
Another shill for the EU.

Absolutely - I am a European before I am British, and British before I am English.

LionL · Aug 22, 2019

Goonie said:
As I’ve said the Tories are aiming for no brexit,

I guess you actually mean 'no deal Brexit'?

and sabotaging any future governments attempts to rejoin. So from the home office planning to treat eu citizens like the windrush immigrants, to refusing to pay £39billion owed, to a trade deal with the US which will carry billions, if not trillions of pounds of penalties if the UK rejoins the EU.

Thankfully, they have a majority of just one MP - Brexit will not go ahead.

Goonie · Aug 22, 2019

LionL said:
I guess you actually mean 'no deal Brexit'?

Thankfully, they have a majority of just one MP - Brexit will not go ahead.

Except that Brexit is the default. Boris is planning to call a general election, and if he gets his way it will be at the same time as we crash out. A no deal brexit is pretty much certain at this point.

Goonie · Aug 23, 2019

LionL said:
I guess you actually mean 'no deal Brexit'?

Thankfully, they have a majority of just one MP - Brexit will not go ahead.

British PM Johnson's party takes 14 percent point lead over Labour: Kantar poll

He is aiming an election, and given Corbyn will back a general election, we are heading to no deal.

LionL · Aug 24, 2019

Goonie said:
British PM Johnson's party takes 14 percent point lead over Labour: Kantar poll

He is aiming an election, and given Corbyn will back a general election, we are heading to no deal.

Wit the Tory vote split with the Brexit Party and UKIP, and the Labour vote split with the Lib Dems (who are now more popular than at any point since the 1920s) I predict a hung parliament, followed by a Lib/Lab/Green/SNP/Plaid coalition. This would stop brexit in its tracks.

mindlight · Aug 24, 2019

Goonie said:
British PM Johnson's party takes 14 percent point lead over Labour: Kantar poll

He is aiming an election, and given Corbyn will back a general election, we are heading to no deal.

In the British electoral system 42% means a landslide victory much as the BREXIT party got in the Europeans. But a majority of people support a new poll on BREXIT and a majority preferred Revocation in the European election.
Only 23% support a hard Brexit according to this latest poll.

So it looks like Boris will win an election and hard Brexit will happen by default. Though tactical voting could destroy his election plans.

If hard Brexit goes through and Boris wins I will blame Labour for failing to get rid of Corbyn. With a different leader we could unite the majority against Brexit.

Goonie · Sep 7, 2019

mindlight said:
In the British electoral system 42% means a landslide victory much as the BREXIT party got in the Europeans. But a majority of people support a new poll on BREXIT and a majority preferred Revocation in the European election.
Only 23% support a hard Brexit according to this latest poll.

So it looks like Boris will win an election and hard Brexit will happen by default. Though tactical voting could destroy his election plans.

If hard Brexit goes through and Boris wins I will blame Labour for failing to get rid of Corbyn. With a different leader we could unite the majority against Brexit.

Well with the opposition refusing an early election, and Boris pledging not to obey the law passed by parliament, will he resign, call a vote of no confidence in himself, or hope to get the opposition to call a vote of no confidence.

Nithavela · Sep 7, 2019

Goonie said:
Well with the opposition refusing an early election, and Boris pledging not to obey the law passed by parliament, will he resign, call a vote of no confidence in himself, or hope to get the opposition to call a vote of no confidence.

He'll do whatever has the highest chance of running the clock down.

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