Womens roles in the church

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That’s just it isn’t it. Some churches have rules written in stone that they bow to, whether they believe them or not. It’s a form of proselytism to think anything will change what they have made stone statues out of. It’s just a different spirit in many ways.

Yes, it's rare that I argue against the church traditions of denominations that hold it to be of more importance than even scripture or historical fact, because they can always just fall back on "that's the way we've always done it" and who can argue against that, especially if one isn't even a member of the denomination in question.
 
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Yes, it's rare that I argue against the church traditions of denominations that hold it to be of more importance than even scripture or historical fact, because they can always just fall back on "that's the way we've always done it" and who can argue against that, especially if one isn't even a member of the denomination in question.
The way it’s ‘always’ been done would probably have Christ being shown the door too, sadly.
 
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The way it’s ‘always’ been done would probably have Christ being shown the door too, sadly.

I have no doubt he would be crucified today by many of the very Christians who claim to serve him.
 
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Then explain Paul’s use of prostatis.
It can have practically any meaning, because this word is used only once in the whole New Testament. As you can see on biblehub.com, various translations translate the word in quite different ways, because nobody knows what it should exactly mean.

Helper, supporter, important money giver?
 
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It can have practically any meaning, because this word is used only once in the whole New Testament. As you can see on biblehub.com, various translations translate the word in quite different ways, because nobody knows what it should exactly mean.

Helper, supporter, important money giver?
Except the verb form occurs eight times in scripture in reference to leadership and household management.
 
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Except the verb form occurs eight times in scripture in reference to leadership and household management.
Prostátis is not a verb and is only once in the New Testament.

If you mean some other word, you must specify.
 
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Prostátis is not a verb and is only once in the New Testament.

If you mean some other word, you must specify.
I didn’t say it was a verb, did I? I referenced the verb form of prostatis.
 
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Yes, it's rare that I argue against the church traditions of denominations that hold it to be of more importance than even scripture or historical fact, because they can always just fall back on "that's the way we've always done it" and who can argue against that, especially if one isn't even a member of the denomination in question.
If it is not after Christ we must “beware” as we read,

Colossians 2:8. Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ.”

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Titus 1:13. This witness is true. Wherefore rebuke them sharply, that they may be sound in the faith;14. Not giving heed to Jewish fables, and commandments of men, that turn from the truth.”
 
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Because women today are being seriously harmed (and even abused) by these false teachings of male superiority and female subjugation. It also hasn't been beneficial for our Christian witness based on the number of emerging "Nones" who want nothing to do with an anti-Christ "god" who is no less hateful and discriminatory than the men who created him in their image.
Scripture given by God does not harm women. Unless the women cling too close to the modern world and women liberation groups etc.
 
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I am also born into The Church, but my church ordains women.
No one is born into the church (the body of Christ) unless they are born from above .

And if any church goes against God’s order we should not receive what they do. There is a time to make decisions and even withdraw at times from them if they will not walk in God’s commands for the church (1Cor 14:26-38)
 
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Your verses are describing ignorant boastful men and how it's at their peril if they can't see the truth that our society has moved past men's patriarchal lies
Society doesn’t move into a better way than God has already given for the church.

In the last days perilous times shall come and men don’t endure sound doctrine.
 
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No one is born into the church (the body of Christ) unless they are born from above .

And if any church goes against God’s order we should not receive what they do. There is a time to make decisions and even withdraw at times from them if they will not walk in God’s commands for the church (1Cor 14:26-38)
And ordaining women does not go against God’s order. Scripture tells us of numerous women who held various roles in the early church including preacher, deacon and apostle.
 
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Scripture given by God does not harm women. Unless the women cling too close to the modern world and women liberation groups etc.

However, shallow and bigoted interpretations of scripture DO harm women.
 
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Society doesn’t move into a better way than God has already given for the church.

In the last days perilous times shall come and men don’t endure sound doctrine.

Perilous times are often caused by those who claim to be speaking on behalf of God.
 
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And ordaining women does not go against God’s order. Scripture tells us of numerous women who held various roles in the early church including preacher, deacon and apostle.
Show me scripture for women apostles or deacons(not deaconesses or servants ) and show me women preachers )not prophetesses)
 
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Read the scripture I showed about what perilous times are coming.

It's not scripture itself that is the problem, but the shallow and bigoted (unsound) interpretations of scripture that do inexcusable harm to others in God's name.
 
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It's not scripture itself that is the problem, but the shallow and bigoted (unsound) interpretations of scripture that do inexcusable harm to others in God's name.
Well, it’s a good thing that everything I have said has been very sound and true.

Time for you to look in the mirror I think.
 
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Well, it’s a good thing that everything I have said has been very sound and true.

Time for you to look in the mirror I think.

Please provide a direct citation from God himself that your interpretation is very sound and true, and I don't mean just quoting the same scripture that you misinterpret. The citation needs to come directly from God and specifically say that your particular interpretation is truth. Until you can provide it, then maybe you need to take your own advice.
 
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Please provide a direct citation from God himself that your interpretation is very sound and true,... The citation needs to come directly from God and specifically say that your particular interpretation is truth.
1 Corinthians 14:34-37 “Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience, as also saith the law.35. And if they will learn any thing, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a shame for women to speak in the church.36. What? came the word of God out from you? or came it unto you only?37. If any man think himself to be a prophet, or spiritual, let him acknowledge that the things that I write unto you are the commandments of the Lord.”
 
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