Your thoughts on Church on Sunday, instead of Saturday

PROPHECYKID said:

Question. When God gave his laws, did he want them to be legalistic?

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What was needed to work before the Church age, was not designed to work for the age where we all have been given the indwelling Holy Spirit to empower our minds. That is. Given, if one is a believer in the Lord Jesus Christ.

Do we put oats in our car's gas tank? That was for horses.

Yet, baby Christians, until they can walk (by faith). Since they are yet carnal? Do need law to keep them from crawling into traffic.

But, morality is not the same as what encompassed the Law as the Jews were under. Normally, baby Christians need only to go under moral law. But, not all the Law (sabbath keeping, etc). For many people in today's societies have already grown up under moral law. Only primitive and immoral ones need to have the moral law hammered home with them. Then, the Spirit will take over if they truly desire to grow. Then "virtue" will eventually replace the need to think in terms of morality.

Christian virtue is the state of becoming rich in God's Word. Rich to the extent that you might not even know you were being presented by a temptation, because the Truth that has taken you over in you, makes what the temptation is seem insignificant.

But, until God can bring us to the strength of power grace over our weaknesses, moral law shall prevail in the faithful ones to keep themselves clean.

The Truth will make us free. Transforms us into very relaxed and happy people. No longer uptight types when confronted by evil.

genez said:

What was needed to work before the Church age, was not designed to work for the age where we all have been given the indwelling Holy Spirit to empower our minds. That is. Given, if one is a believer in the Lord Jesus Christ.

Do we put oats in our car's gas tank? That was for horses.

Yet, baby Christians, until they can walk (by faith). Since they are yet carnal? Do need law to keep them from crawling into traffic.

But, morality is not the same as what encompassed the Law as the Jews were under. Normally, baby Christians need only to go under moral law. But, not all the Law (sabbath keeping, etc). For many people in today's societies have already grown up under moral law. Only primitive and immoral ones need to have the moral law hammered home with them. Then, the Spirit will take over if they truly desire to grow. Then "virtue" will eventually replace the need to think in terms of morality.

Christian virtue is the state of becoming rich in God's Word. Rich to the extent that you might not even know you were being presented by a temptation, because the Truth that has taken you over in you, makes what the temptation is seem insignificant.

But, until God can bring us to the strength of power grace over our weaknesses, moral law shall prevail in the faithful ones to keep themselves clean.

The Truth will make us free. Transforms us into very relaxed and happy people. No longer uptight types when confronted by evil.

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Well for a point of order, the command to honour the Sabbath is in the moral law.

You did not really answer the question but you gave a good answer to another possible question and what u said further explain what you said before which I understand. But there is one thing I have issue with.

Yet, baby Christians, until they can walk (by faith). Since they are yet carnal? Do need law to keep them from crawling into traffic.

The implication of this statement is that the law is made void through faith and you very well know what the bible says about that. Faith does not replace the law if the law is put in its proper perspective which is going back to the original question I asked which I probably did not ask correctly. God did not intend to introduce legalism when he gave his laws in written form. The law was never meant as a means of salvation. Overtime, the Jews twisted God's intention and by the time Jesus came back to earth Legalism was the religion of the day and this was what Paul was pushing back against. In Paul's day you had people who did not want to believe in Jesus but instead were basing their salvation on their keeping of the laws, many of which were not even relevant. These laws were simply his standard, how he wanted them to live towards one another and towards him and what was necessary to be done at their time. It was not a method of salvation. So this faith is faith in Jesus, faith that his righteousness will be yours and faith that his perfect life will be attributed to you and you will be saved> its not a faith that means you're free to sin.

PROPHECYKID said:

Well for a point of order, the command to honour the Sabbath is in the moral law.

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How? How is that the moral law? Its was never demanded of the Gentile converts. It would be immoral not to, if what you just blurted out were truly true.

(my words)
Yet, baby Christians, until they can walk (by faith). Since they are yet carnal? Do need law to keep them from crawling into traffic.

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(your words)
The implication of this statement is that the law is made void through faith and you very well know what the bible says about that.

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Not voided. Fulfilled. No more need for it if you be led of the Spirit. Will you commit adultery if you are filled with the Spirit and your flesh is under the Spirit's control? Will you covet? Steal? Lie? Hate? Will you? You will fulfill the Law, even if you do not know the Law.

Its not that complicated.

Trouble happens... Confused, ignorant, preaching and teaching will make it seem that way. Legalism conditions a soul against entering into Grace.

Law is for either the unbeliever or the unrepentant back slider as long as they persist in unbelief.

PROPHECYKID said:

Faith does not replace the law if the law is put in its proper perspective which is going back to the original question I asked which I probably did not ask correctly.

God did not intend to introduce legalism when he gave his laws in written form. The law was never meant as a means of salvation. Overtime, the Jews twisted God's intention and by the time Jesus came back to earth Legalism was the religion of the day and this was what Paul was pushing back against. In Paul's day you had people who did not want to believe in Jesus but instead were basing their salvation on their keeping of the laws, many of which were not even relevant. These laws were simply his standard, how he wanted them to live towards one another and towards him and what was necessary to be done at their time. It was not a method of salvation. So this faith is faith in Jesus, faith that his righteousness will be yours and faith that his perfect life will be attributed to you and you will be saved> its not a faith that means you're free to sin.

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The Law was given to the Jews to cause two things. To force the Jews to separate themselves from people that lived under Satan's control. And, to preserve the Jewish race from which was to come the seed bearing the Messiah. The law was given until the promise had come.




The Law was to protect the lineage leading to the birth of Jesus Christ.

The Law was distasteful to the amoral Gentiles which made them want to separate themselves as well. Its was God's means to protect the promised seed (Genesis 3:15) that was to come from the line of David.

grace and peace.....

HTacianas said:

My thoughts on it are rather short. The matter was resolved a long time ago and need not be re-visited. The Church has chosen for herself the appropriate day of Christian worship and no one has the authority to change that.

I know that isn't very interesting blog fodder but it is my thoughts on it.

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Since you're calling the Church "her", you must be excluding Jesus Christ, the Head of the Church. And Jesus Christ has all Authority in Heaven and on Earth to tell the Church what day He wants us to worship on. In fact, He says the "Father is seeking those who worship Him in Spirit and in Truth". You should be worshiping God in Spirit and in Truth EVERY DAY. There are no days holier than another when you're in the Spirit. All the days are evil (Ephesians 5:16) and must be redeemed.

Jonathan Mathews said:

Since you're calling the Church "her", you must be excluding Jesus Christ, the Head of the Church. And Jesus Christ has all Authority in Heaven and on Earth to tell the Church what day He wants us to worship on. In fact, He says the "Father is seeking those who worship Him in Spirit and in Truth". You should be worshiping God in Spirit and in Truth EVERY DAY. There are no days holier than another when you're in the Spirit. All the days are evil (Ephesians 5:16) and must be redeemed.

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I call the Church "her" because she is the bride of Christ.

HTacianas said:

I call the Church "her" because she is the bride of Christ.

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I know. And who has Authority to tell the Bride of Christ when or where "she" should worship? Who is the Head of the Church?

Jonathan Mathews said:

I know. And who has Authority to tell the Bride of Christ when or where "she" should worship? Who is the Head of the Church?

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I don't understand what you're getting at. Are you going on about Christianity gathering to worship on Sunday or is it something else?

HTacianas said:

I don't understand what you're getting at. Are you going on about Christianity gathering to worship on Sunday or is it something else?

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You said the Church decided to worship on Sunday and no one can change that. But I say what Jesus says... that the Father desires those who worship in Spirit and in Truth. Spirit and Truth are not only in certain days of the week. It's Jesus' Spirit who decides when and where we should worship, not just the Bride of Christ.

Acts 20:7 On the first day of the week when we gathered to break bread, Paul spoke to them...

1 Corinthians 16:2On the first day of the week each of you should set aside and save whatever he can afford, ...
We worship on Sunday as a celebration of the resurrection.

Luke 24:1 But at daybreak on the first day of the week they took the spices they had prepared and went to the tomb.

Jonathan Mathews said:

I know. And who has Authority to tell the Bride of Christ when or where "she" should worship? Who is the Head of the Church?

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Christ gave His Church authority. Matthew 18:18

prodromos said:

Christ gave His Church authority. Matthew 18:18

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That's it! Christ gives every person the freedom to worship God at anytime.