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Hello everyone,

My wife and I are in our late 20's and have been married for 2 years, together for a total of 7 years. Currently my wife and I have been struggling in our marriage and I am hoping those wiser could give some guidance and advice to me on how to handle the situation.

About 6 months ago my wife got a new job and made a bunch of new friends. I was and still am happy for her, as with our beliefs it can be hard to fit in sometimes with people our age. Unfortunately, since she made her new friends she slowly stopped being as affectionate with me. First sex, then kissing, then hugging, then even holding my hand. She told me that she sees me more as a roommate or a best friend then a romantic partner, and even though she finds me physically and mentally attractive and she loves me, she said the spark was gone.

Through multiple conversations about it, she summed up she feels like she is going through a "quarter life crisis" and did not understand why she felt this way, but she wished she could solve our issues. I did what I could to try to reignite the spark for her, as I am still just as crazy about her as when we first met. I took her out on dates, romantic surprises, leaving notes in her lunch etc. but nothing seemed to work.

She was more excited to see and spend time with her friends then me. She would often text her friends during our time together which would hurt my feelings. The lack of intimacy and what seemed to be a lack of regard became a big concern for me, and I would talk about it with her often to come up with a solution. She started to find it draining and would say shes sick of all our "relationship talks". I would tell her I was concerned for our relationship and that I want us to spend more time together, which meant less time with her friends, and she said I was being controlling. We stopped going to church together as one of her friends only had the day off on Sunday so they would hang out all day. Basically, I felt like she would hang out with me only she had nothing else to do.

She kept telling me there was nothing wrong with me and there was nothing I could do about it as this was her problem, and maybe becoming less available to her would reignite things for her. I tried my best to do this, but after 4 months of I started to get resentful, less patient, and jealous that her greeting her friends with a smile and a hug was more affection then what I was getting from her. We started to argue more, which fell back on the "relationship talk" issue she had before, which pushed her further from me. It got to the point where I would check into a hotel and spend my weekends there as I felt too angry and hurt to be around her, and she thought it was good for our relationship as it gives her more of a chance to miss me.

Ultimately, we both decided that I should move out of the home we own together, as she told me that would be the best chance of snapping her out of this stage in her life. She told me she doesn't want to be dealing with this either and that she was sorry. I packed my stuff and moved into a small furnished suite. We both cried and it was one of the hardest days of my life.

After I moved out, she asked if it would be ok if one of her friends slept on the couch for awhile as they were going through a hard time at home. Her friend was in an abusive relationship and ended up breaking up with her boyfriend and needed a temporary place to stay. I agreed to it as I felt like either way this friend was going to stay there whether I said it was ok or not.

I have been living in this suite for about a month. It is comfortable but it is not home for me. I have already learned a lot about myself and my weaknesses, but I feel like I have more to learn before we can live together again. I am living here in secret from my family, friends and coworkers as I don't want them to pick sides or think ill of either of us, but it makes for a lonely road as I have no one to talk to. I struggled a lot with it in the first few weeks and it created more arguments between us, but I am now praying a lot and am trying to embrace the Bibles call for husbands to love their wives and selflessly give and sacrifice for her needs and her sins. Some days I feel too upset with her to do this for her, so I do it for God instead. I am thankful to have Him in my life as I learned when I first moved out that I do not have the inner strength to do this completely on my own.

I know I am not a perfect person, but I don't know what I did to her to deserve this. Before all of this she always respected me as the leader of our relationship. She has told me that there's nothing wrong with me, but I feel like there must have been for there to be such a swift change in attitude. I feel like everything I have tried has either ended poorly or had no effect. She told me we both need to take hands off our relationship and let God work, but it's hard to trust her right now and whether she's telling me the truth. She has never done anything like this in our relationship before and I am a bit blindsided by her behavior.

In the mean time I am trying not to be a victim, and I am trying to get outside my comfort zone and do more things to keep my mind off of this and have more positive things to look forward to. The whole plan for this was to reignite the spark in our relationship, but so far that hasn't worked. She told me she just needs space right now, but isn't sure if our relationship is meant to last. If you have no advice to give or words of encouragement, please pray for my marriage and that we are able to resolve things. Thank you for reading and I appreciate your input.
 

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Whoa! She sounds manipulative. I can't imagine it. Stay in your house. Gracia Singh is right. Ask her if she's willing to go to counseling. If you go, you should both be willing to make changes. If she knew her Bible, she wouldn't treat you poorly. But then I'm not there to observe.
 
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Hello everyone,

My wife and I are in our late 20's and have been married for 2 years, together for a total of 7 years. Currently my wife and I have been struggling in our marriage and I am hoping those wiser could give some guidance and advice to me on how to handle the situation.

About 6 months ago my wife got a new job and made a bunch of new friends. I was and still am happy for her, as with our beliefs it can be hard to fit in sometimes with people our age. Unfortunately, since she made her new friends she slowly stopped being as affectionate with me. First sex, then kissing, then hugging, then even holding my hand. She told me that she sees me more as a roommate or a best friend then a romantic partner, and even though she finds me physically and mentally attractive and she loves me, she said the spark was gone.

Through multiple conversations about it, she summed up she feels like she is going through a "quarter life crisis" and did not understand why she felt this way, but she wished she could solve our issues. I did what I could to try to reignite the spark for her, as I am still just as crazy about her as when we first met. I took her out on dates, romantic surprises, leaving notes in her lunch etc. but nothing seemed to work.

She was more excited to see and spend time with her friends then me. She would often text her friends during our time together which would hurt my feelings. The lack of intimacy and what seemed to be a lack of regard became a big concern for me, and I would talk about it with her often to come up with a solution. She started to find it draining and would say shes sick of all our "relationship talks". I would tell her I was concerned for our relationship and that I want us to spend more time together, which meant less time with her friends, and she said I was being controlling. We stopped going to church together as one of her friends only had the day off on Sunday so they would hang out all day. Basically, I felt like she would hang out with me only she had nothing else to do.

She kept telling me there was nothing wrong with me and there was nothing I could do about it as this was her problem, and maybe becoming less available to her would reignite things for her. I tried my best to do this, but after 4 months of I started to get resentful, less patient, and jealous that her greeting her friends with a smile and a hug was more affection then what I was getting from her. We started to argue more, which fell back on the "relationship talk" issue she had before, which pushed her further from me. It got to the point where I would check into a hotel and spend my weekends there as I felt too angry and hurt to be around her, and she thought it was good for our relationship as it gives her more of a chance to miss me.

Ultimately, we both decided that I should move out of the home we own together, as she told me that would be the best chance of snapping her out of this stage in her life. She told me she doesn't want to be dealing with this either and that she was sorry. I packed my stuff and moved into a small furnished suite. We both cried and it was one of the hardest days of my life.

After I moved out, she asked if it would be ok if one of her friends slept on the couch for awhile as they were going through a hard time at home. Her friend was in an abusive relationship and ended up breaking up with her boyfriend and needed a temporary place to stay. I agreed to it as I felt like either way this friend was going to stay there whether I said it was ok or not.

I have been living in this suite for about a month. It is comfortable but it is not home for me. I have already learned a lot about myself and my weaknesses, but I feel like I have more to learn before we can live together again. I am living here in secret from my family, friends and coworkers as I don't want them to pick sides or think ill of either of us, but it makes for a lonely road as I have no one to talk to. I struggled a lot with it in the first few weeks and it created more arguments between us, but I am now praying a lot and am trying to embrace the Bibles call for husbands to love their wives and selflessly give and sacrifice for her needs and her sins. Some days I feel too upset with her to do this for her, so I do it for God instead. I am thankful to have Him in my life as I learned when I first moved out that I do not have the inner strength to do this completely on my own.

I know I am not a perfect person, but I don't know what I did to her to deserve this. Before all of this she always respected me as the leader of our relationship. She has told me that there's nothing wrong with me, but I feel like there must have been for there to be such a swift change in attitude. I feel like everything I have tried has either ended poorly or had no effect. She told me we both need to take hands off our relationship and let God work, but it's hard to trust her right now and whether she's telling me the truth. She has never done anything like this in our relationship before and I am a bit blindsided by her behavior.

In the mean time I am trying not to be a victim, and I am trying to get outside my comfort zone and do more things to keep my mind off of this and have more positive things to look forward to. The whole plan for this was to reignite the spark in our relationship, but so far that hasn't worked. She told me she just needs space right now, but isn't sure if our relationship is meant to last. If you have no advice to give or words of encouragement, please pray for my marriage and that we are able to resolve things. Thank you for reading and I appreciate your input.

At the risk of using a term that has been overused a lot lately...she's gaslighting you. She's telling you that nothing is wrong (with you or your relationship at least) even though there's plainly something wrong. This problem didn't magically create itself...and it's a safe bet it won't magically solve itself either.

I don't know why she seems to have fallen out of love with you...I can imagine how painful it is. Do you think it's possible that she's really just in love with being in love...and now that you're married and that expression of love is fulfilled, she's bored/lost interest?

I've noticed this happens a lot to people who don't really know themselves, don't really know what they want, or what they need in life. They end up in relationships because they see other people happy and fulfilled in a relationship...so they think it will fulfill them as well. It doesn't.

I wish I had good advice for you. I really don't. If it were me, I'd move back in, try to get her into marriage counseling or at least therapy for herself. If she refuses, and she might, I would explain to her that you love her and want her to be happy....but you don't want her to stay if she doesn't love you. Tell her that you aren't leaving....so if she wants out of your marriage, she's going to have to choose to leave herself. Explain to her that no matter how much she avoids your relationship....you aren't going to be the one responsible for destroying it, she'll have to do that if she wants out. Sometimes the kind of person I described starts to sabotage their relationship so that when the other person finally leaves....they don't have to feel guilty. In her mind, she can pretend it was "your fault" it ended because you decided to leave. If you make it clear that won't happen....and live your life as if you're in this marriage no matter what....she may be forced to confront her feelings instead of thinking you're halfway out the door.

As for "space", if she really needs it....she can check into the hotel. You can't control what she does, but that's no reason to let her control you either. If she sees that you're able to live a happy life and enjoy time without her....she may start to see you in a new light. Acquiescing to her demands hasn't helped anything....so what exactly do you have to lose at this point?
 
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Sleepy: Your wife is having an affair; if not physically at least emotionally. She has become emotionally attached (crush or more) with one or more of her new co-workers.

You need to find a good biblical Christian family counselor and INSIST she and you attend.
 
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Sleepy: Your wife is having an affair; if not physically at least emotionally. She has become emotionally attached (crush or more) with one or more of her new co-workers.

I concur with Dave. This information is screaming affair. It may be either with a male or a female friend.

Find out who it is and get evidence that the affair is occuring. Once you have evidence, expose the affair to everyone who could influence her to drop the affair and return to your marriage. You would just send a short note along the lines of "you are an important person in [wife's name]'s life and I am sorry to let you know that she is having an affair with [name]. I would really appreciate your help if you would reach out to her and help persuade her to drop her affair and return to our marriage."

This will cause her to see her behaviors through the eyes of others and has the best shot at ending the affair. She will be very angry. However your marriage can survive her anger; it cannot survive an ongoing affair.

Also, move back into your home immediately. (I assume you are both on the mortgage or lease?) Don't ask, just show up and move back in. Wear a voice activated recorder in your pocket (you can use your phone) so she can't wrongly accuse you of assaulting her. By you moving out you gave her all the space she needed to continue her affair without you inconveniencing her.

In affairs, giving the wayward spouse space is not a good thing; it just encourages the affair to accelerate.
 
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I would like to echo the advice of the people who said you ought to move back in, and also that you should both see a counsellor.
The rest of this is simply from my own experience, so it may or may not be helpful to you. After years of sporadic serious arguments, my husband and I finally agreed that when something is starting to bother one of us, no matter how silly or seemingly insignificant, we immediately bring it up to the other rather than letting it fester until it becomes such an issue that it sparks off a fight. The caveat is that the other person isn't allowed to dismiss it as being silly, but must take it seriously and work to fix it. In your current situation it seems you're already past this point, and whatever the small contributing issues were, they've turned into a huge problem...this is where a counsellor may be able to help sort things out, but the aforementioned might help in the future.
Another thing is that you can't control how she acts or feels, but you can control yourself. Always be doing what is good and loving, even when the other person can't or won't. Always be accusing yourself when you fail in this, and not blaming the other person. This difference could be illustrated between the two: "I'm sorry for getting angry with you." vs "When you did X it made me angry." Even when someone does something that hurts or offends us, it's up to us how to react to it. I don't know if any of this will be helpful for you, but having been on the giving and receiving end of issues very similar to yours and worked through it eventually, these are a couple things that have helped me.
 
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Get council for yourself. Move back in. If she wants to leave you or the house, that is up to her.barring abuse or infidelity , If the marriage and feelings have changed for her, then she should be the one to move out.
 
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One more clarification, move back in and into the marital bed. Don't take a half measure and move back home to the couch. If she doesn't want to sleep with you, let her sleep somewhere else.

You do not want to make this separation comfortable for her. Let her experience the reality of her own decisions. Stop protecting her from her own behaviors.
 
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I'm not so sure she's manipulative, gaslighting, or had an affair. I won't make those kinds of assumptions without further information. What I can see, though, is that for whatever reason, she has started to withdraw from the marriage and any attempts to repair are only met with further withdrawal. I won't attibute it to her work friendships, either. It could be that; I'm not discounting it. But there are so many other things to consider.

The "new" wore off your marriage and she began to experience the settling in to the realities of married life. This includes the ebb and flow of libido. A couple who is best friends and share mature love can weather this ebb and flow, and respect each other while they go through it. Or maybe your wife is allowing more influence into her life from her friends than from you. This is not a good thing. As well, she is turning toward them to meet her needs for affection and validation rather than to you. Another bad thing.

I see two things going on. Your wife is doing the exact opposite of at least 3, if not more, of Dr. Gottman's "seven Principles for Making Marriage Work." And you have expressed resentment about it, which leads to contempt - one of the "horsemen" leading to divorce. Please, find a Gottman-trained therapist and see if she will go with you.

The other thing I see happening is that she is letting in the bad and keeping out the good. That is what people without boundaries do. It is for this reason you should read the book Boundaries in Marriage by Cloud and Townsend. Then give her the book to read. But don't stop there. Do what the book says. Keep the bad out, let the good in. Be responsible for your own actions and their consequences; let her be responsible for hers - but be responsible TO each other. Know when to say no - like saying no to living in another place... since you're already out, I'd suggest speaking to a therapist before moving back in (or she could take that as a hostile move), but also, don't pay anything into the house bills (pay your part of the mortgage so it's still half yours, assuming you are both paying into it). Be very clear about what is yours to own with regard to your marriage and making it work... such as your resentment. And be very clear about what she is to own such as withdrawing from you a little bit at a time without even turning to you to talk about the state of your marriage in a constructive way that will get things accomplished.

Prayers for you as you go through this really painful time. And it is painful - to not know why, to have all this resentment from the unmet expectations and violation of her vows. It's so painful and lonely. But so is being in a marriage where all the signs point to her not reciprocating your love.
 
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